The Frederick St protest and reaction

blanch152

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Where did I say either "everyone" or "500,000 people"? Go back and read the post which started this particular quote chain, I said "large sections of society". My exact words were You've got to be kidding, right? If larger numbers of people are renting, and the cost of renting is going up relative to incomes, then things are obviously getting harder for large sections of society.

I'm pretty sure that the citizens of Dublin, a primate capital city, count as "a large section of society".



That was a different poster, not me. I never claimed to have such figures, but they wouldn't even remotely surprise me so I'll do some digging and find out how many people in Dublin actually are renting.

I can tell you that 20% of people in Ireland overall are indeed renting as of 2016 (source), which is roughly 960,000 people. Again, a large section of society I think most will agree. :rolleyes:

Large sections of society are doing well.

Large sections of society are doing brilliant

Large sections of society are struggling.

Large sections of society want Dublin to win six-in-a-row

Large sections of society want Dublin to lose the next 50 All-Irelands

Large sections of society want anything you can think of, just a different large section of society.

shivermetimber

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But it doesn’t validate that a large section is struggling.

Just because rents have increased it doesn’t mean people automatically are struggling.

And income has gone up there is no denying it.

Again what number is this large section?

10,000?

100,000?

Where are you getting this figure from?

I can count on one finger the amount of people I know who have had their income increased in the past 5 years and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. Seems to be a common point floating around these discussions that I never understood.

sexmag

shivermetimber wrote: »

I can count on one finger the amount of people I know who have had their income increased in the past 5 years and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. Seems to be a common point floating around these discussions that I never understood.

private sector worker here, our income went up 3% last year, all 1100 of us for the company

shivermetimber

sexmag wrote: »

private sector worker here, our income went up 3% last year, all 1100 of us for the company

Count yourself lucky then. Nobody I know on low incomes have had a tap in years and the only one I do who has is on middle wage

Wheeliebin30

shivermetimber wrote: »

Count yourself lucky then. Nobody I know on low incomes have had a tap in years and the only one I do who has is on middle wage

How about this, a 3,000 euro pay rise in a few weeks.


https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/60000-public-servants-to-get-3k-rise-in-next-budget-870968.html

Maybe the people you know are afraid to tell you they got a rise in case you label them “lucky”

shivermetimber

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How about this, a 3,000 euro pay rise in a few weeks.

https://www.breakingne...t-budget-870968.html

Maybe the people you know are afraid to tell you they got a rise in case you label them “lucky”

Nope. They're all honest, open working class people who are sharing the same stories.

Hitman3000

Hitman3000 wrote: »

The government only managed to supply 15 houses over 2 years from a plan that was to deliver 3500. There might be no house available in Leitrim.

I thought the figure was 780 in 2017? https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/ourview/social-housing-total-number-built-is-abysmal-846073.html I’m sure that if I look hard enough that there are other figures.

Hitman3000

Deleted User wrote:

I’m sure that if I look hard enough that there are other figures.

You can look at today's Times newspaper. Only 15 houses delivered under the R.L. scheme out of a mooted 3500.

Hitman3000

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Article in today's Irish Times. Murphy admitted the figure of 15.

Does that scheme involve people offering their houses to be refurbished before renting as social housing? Is it the one where less than 1,000 houses were offered with only a small number suitable for renovation within the budget allowed?

If so, it’s only ONE scheme and nothing to do with houses being built.

Hitman3000

Deleted User wrote:

Does that scheme involve people offering their houses to be refurbished before renting as social housing? Is it the one where less than 1,000 houses were offered with only a small number suitable for renovation within the budget allowed?

Read the article. Really poor effort on behave of government despite launching it twice to much fanfare.

Hitman3000

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Read the article. Really poor effort on behave of government despite launching it twice to much fanfare.

I did read it. Did you? Hardly the Governments fault if people are unwilling to hand over their properties for renovations or that the ones handed over need too much work to make them viable?

Hitman3000

Deleted User wrote:

I did read it. Did you? Hardly the Governments fault if people are unwilling to hand over their properties for renovations or that the ones handed over need too much work to make them viable?

The government claimed it would deliver 3500 houses into the system it has only delivered 15 . So whose fault is it?

facehugger99

Hitman3000 wrote: »

The government claimed it would deliver 3500 houses into the system it has only delivered 15 . So whose fault is it?

Let me guess - the Gubberments?

Alrigghtythen

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/almost-one-third-of-families-refusing-social-housing-were-homeless-1.3414714%3fmode=amp


“Almost one-third of families refusing social housing were homeless”

“Nearly one-third of families who turned down local authority social housing offers in Dublin last year were homeless”






Haha it’s gone beyond comedy at this stage.

This whole homelessness “crisis” is a farce and a scam.

What a total farce.

Wheeliebin30

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

What a total farce.

Build homes for the homeless they say, it’s that simple they say.

Yeah pretty hard to justify that when homeless people are turning houses down that are already built!!!!!!!!!

Hitman3000

Looks like Minister Murphy doesn't have the full support from all of his party ahead of tomorrow's no confidence vote . Junior minister Catherine Bryne may abstain. Squeaky bum time for Leo's buddy. Back benches for Bryne if she does abstain.

Hitman3000

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Looks like Minister Murphy doesn't have the full support from all of his party ahead of tomorrow's no confidence vote . Junior minister Catherine Bryne may abstain. Squeaky bum time for Leo's buddy. Back benches for Bryne if she does abstain.

And her objection is? His plans to build more homes in her constituency!

Hitman3000

Deleted User wrote:

And her objection is? His plans to build more homes in her constituency!

She claims it's over development, still it's not great if you can't count on the automatic support of a ministerial colleague.

sexmag

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Looks like Minister Murphy doesn't have the full support from all of his party ahead of tomorrow's no confidence vote . Junior minister Catherine Bryne may abstain. Squeaky bum time for Leo's buddy. Back benches for Bryne if she does abstain.

Well I mean it's hardly his fault, he didn't create the crisis, in fact he could hardly have had much effect in the time he's been there,he's trying to build more houses in her constituency with a very fair ratio of social and affordable housing.

She should be rightly sacked if she obstains or votes no confidence

sexmag

Hitman3000 wrote: »

She claims it's over development, still it's not great if you can't count on the automatic support of a ministerial colleague.

She has her own agenda because of her constituents and what's that? The bleeding anti social behaviour,she wants that resolved before anything is built.....eh maybe tell the parents to get off their holes and bloody parent their own children, it's not the governments job.

Jeez, give me a free house,raise my children,all these people want everything done for them

Hitman3000

sexmag wrote:

Well I mean it's hardly his fault, he didn't create the crisis, in fact he could hardly have had much effect in the time he's been there,he's trying to build more houses in her constituency with a very fair ratio of social and affordable housing.

FG are in government since 2011. Crisis is getting worse. Lots and lots and lots of announcements very little done. As an example an article in today's Times stating only 15 houses delivered as part of a government plan for 3500.

sexmag

Hitman3000 wrote: »

FG are in government since 2011. Crisis is getting worse. Lots and lots and lots of announcements very little done. As an example an article in today's Times stating only 15 houses delivered as part of a government plan for 3500.

Yet the examiner said that there was at least 780 bought/built in 2017.

"The Department of Housing confirmed last month that the total number of houses built by local authorities in 2017 was 780."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/ourview/social-housing-total-number-built-is-abysmal-846073.html

It's strange how one paper says one thing and another says something different

Hitman3000

sexmag wrote:

It's strange how one paper says one thing and another says something different

The Times referred to the RL scheme government claimed it would deliver 3500 houses into the system to date only 15 houses. 9 in 2017 and 6 year to date.

Ace2007

Hitman3000 wrote: »

FG are in government since 2011. Crisis is getting worse. Lots and lots and lots of announcements very little done. As an example an article in today's Times stating only 15 houses delivered as part of a government plan for 3500.

It's only a crisis cause the media portray it that way, there are houses in the likes of Leitrim that you can get for peanuts compared to Dublin - whether your renting or buying, but yet for some reason none of these homeless people want to move down there. They believe it's their right to find accommodation in an area that they want to.

A quick look on daft.ie you can get 2/3 bedroom houses in Leitrim for 450€ a month. I'm sure there are plenty of other houses in similar areas around the country.

Hitman3000

Ace2007 wrote:

It's only a crisis cause the media portray it that way, .

It's the media's fault, gotcha. ;-)

sexmag

Hitman3000 wrote: »

The Times referred to the RL scheme government claimed it would deliver 3500 houses into the system to date only 15 houses. 9 in 2017 and 6 year to date.

Yet there was 780 in 2017 alone,why has that figure got cast aside in favour of the lonely 15?

Because of the media and their clickbait and the fact is doesn't join with the current TBTC consensus

sexmag

Hitman3000 wrote: »

It's the media's fault, gotcha. ;-)

That's misconstrued and you know it,they didn't say the media caused it the current housing problems but it's them who have labelled it as crisis to grab headlines etc

The point of the matter is someone can rent a home in leitrim for 450.

I know someone who commutes from cavan each day to the city centre and pays 500 quid a month for a 3 bed house

Ace2007

Hitman3000 wrote: »

It's the media's fault, gotcha. ;-)

Why don't the media ask the homeless people who claim they can't find accommodation why they don't move outside of Dublin?

It's easier and it sells more papers to attack the government.

Hitman3000

sexmag wrote:

Because of the media and their clickbait and the fact is doesn't join with the current TBTC consensus

Not at all, 2 different newspapers although one article from May this year the Examiner and the other from today's paper the Times.

NasserShammaz

Ace2007 wrote: »

It's only a crisis cause the media portray it that way, there are houses in the likes of Leitrim that you can get for peanuts compared to Dublin - whether your renting or buying, but yet for some reason none of these homeless people want to move down there. They believe it's their right to find accommodation in an area that they want to.

A quick look on daft.ie you can get 2/3 bedroom houses in Leitrim for 450€ a month. I'm sure there are plenty of other houses in similar areas around the country.

Any in Dublin, I work in Dublin/ Kids go to school in Dublin , there's employment in what i'm trained in in Dublin, extended family are around Dublin,childcare afterschool Doctor are in Dublin , if its OK with you I want to live in Dublin

Bullsh*t logic , Im sure theres plenty of empty houses in Alleppo sur why don't all the syrians go there.

BBFAN

sexmag wrote: »

That's misconstrued and you know it,they didn't say the media caused it the current housing problems but it's them who have labelled it as crisis to grab headlines etc

The point of the matter is someone can rent a home in leitrim for 450.

I know someone who commutes from cavan each day to the city centre and pays 500 quid a month for a 3 bed house

And how much do they pay for their commute?

BBFAN

Why does everyone keep quoting Leitrim? Who says Leitrim wants all the unemployed people in the country to move there? There's a reason the houses are so cheap. There are NO JOBS THERE.

sexmag

BBFAN wrote: »

And how much do they pay for their commute?

50 quid a week petrol so they are still making saving and because of their hours of work they are in the city by 7:30 am and home by 5pm.

It can be done and is done, the people in these counties are laughing at the fact people want free housing in or around Dublin while they bought/rent places off in other counties and are still saving money whole maintaining jobs in the city

sexmag

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Any in Dublin, I work in Dublin/ Kids go to school in Dublin , there's employment in what i'm trained in in Dublin, extended family are around Dublin,childcare afterschool Doctor are in Dublin , if its OK with you I want to live in Dublin

Bullsh*t logic , Im sure theres plenty of empty houses in Alleppo sur why don't all the syrians go there.

Sure if you want all that and house then pay for it.

Want a free house well then you and your family will have to make sacrifices like everyone else

Also bad form referencing a war torn country

Ace2007

BBFAN wrote: »

Why does everyone keep quoting Leitrim? Who says Leitrim wants all the unemployed people in the country to move there? There's a reason the houses are so cheap. There are NO JOBS THERE.

Given that there is the HAP scheme and the dole, Would you prefer you children to have a roof over their heads, and for you to be able to feed them.

Or for them to be sleep rough on the streets on Dublin cause you want to live in Dublin?

Ace2007

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Any in Dublin, I work in Dublin/ Kids go to school in Dublin , there's employment in what i'm trained in in Dublin, extended family are around Dublin,childcare afterschool Doctor are in Dublin , if its OK with you I want to live in Dublin

Bullsh*t logic , Im sure theres plenty of empty houses in Alleppo sur why don't all the syrians go there.

I don't know about your circumstances, but I doubt your homeless, my comment was based on those that are homeless, so for example, lets say you do end up on the streets with your kids, are you going to stick your heels in and say, my family is in Dublin I want to live here, and spend days/weeks in emergency accommodation or would you make sacrifices to ensure that they have a roof over their heads and take the house down the country until you save enough and can move back closer to Dublin?

Alrigghtythen

BBFAN wrote: »

Why does everyone keep quoting Leitrim? Who says Leitrim wants all the unemployed people in the country to move there? There's a reason the houses are so cheap. There are NO JOBS THERE.

Excuses, excuses


There's 45 jobs on indeed. Ie at the moment in Leitrim. I didn't check the other websites.

https://ie.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=&l=County+Leitrim

BBFAN

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Excuses, excuses


There's 45 jobs on indeed. Ie at the moment in Leitrim. I didn't check the other websites.

https://ie.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=&l=County+Leitrim

Really? You're making yourself look silly now, going off and googling jobs in Leitrim. And using Indeed as a good example? Where the jobs are sometimes months old and there are advertisements for dogwalkers and babysitters?

By the way I'm making no excuses for anyone, I don't live in Dublin. I live and work a long way from Dublin. I'm simply saying the answer to the housing problem is not as simplistic as throwing everyone into Leitrim. And everyone knows that.

sexmag

BBFAN wrote: »

I'm simply saying the answer to the housing problem is not as simplistic as throwing everyone into Leitrim. And everyone knows that.

And you're right but the point is a vast amount of homeless people refuse to move to other areas of the country for a house,cash as an example wants tallaght and she won't stop until she gets it. Where as I'm pretty sure the homeless person under the archway on amiens street would happily take a house in leitrim

All Seeing Eye

I don’t understand why homeless families complain about living in hotels. Movie stars live in hotels so do some premiership footballers, it can’t be that bad if they can do it.

Alrigghtythen

sexmag wrote: »

And you're right but the point is a vast amount of homeless people refuse to move to other areas of the country for a house,cash as an example wants tallaght and she won't stop until she gets it. Where as I'm pretty sure the homeless person under the archway on amiens street would happily take a house in leitrim

As long as people in Ms. Cash's situation, have apologists, making every excuse as to why they can't do something, it will continue.

Alrigghtythen

BBFAN wrote: »

Really? You're making yourself look silly now, going off and googling jobs in Leitrim. And using Indeed as a good example? Where the jobs are sometimes months old and there are advertisements for dogwalkers and babysitters?

By the way I'm making no excuses for anyone, I don't live in Dublin. I live and work a long way from Dublin. I'm simply saying the answer to the housing problem is not as simplistic as throwing everyone into Leitrim. And everyone knows that.

Boo hoo, what are you doing googling
Boo hoo, I don't like the website

BTW The oldest one there is 9 days old.

BBFAN

sexmag wrote: »

And you're right but the point is a vast amount of homeless people refuse to move to other areas of the country for a house,cash as an example wants tallaght and she won't stop until she gets it. Where as I'm pretty sure the homeless person under the archway on amiens street would happily take a house in leitrim

This thread is not about ms cash though is it? It's about the Frederick Street Protests.

And you're wrong about the homeless person under the archway on Amiens Street by the way. They would not move to Leitrim at the drop of a hat because they usually have one or many issues which include mental health issues/addiction/alcoholism and the services for these issues are certainly not in the middle of Leitrim.

BBFAN

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

As long as people in Ms. Cash's situation, have apologists, making every excuse as to why they can't do something, it will continue.

This thread is not about ms cash.

Alrigghtythen

BBFAN wrote: »

This thread is not about ms cash.

"People in Ms. Cashs situation"

BBFAN

Alrigghtythen wrote:

"People in Ms. Cashs situation"

Have you read the thread title?

Alrigghtythen

BBFAN wrote: »

Have you read the thread title?

Yes I have.

Calltocall

I May be going a little off topic here but something ive been curious/puzzled about how come huge blocks of student accomodation can go up in the city centre in lightning speed, I speak of one at the corner of summerhill and gardiner street and another on dorset street, there a few more and im speaking major developments in a matter of months yet our government are paralysed to get new builds off the ground for citizens accomodation, genuinely curious as to what’s going on here, what’s the major difference?

sexmag

BBFAN wrote: »

Have you read the thread title?

It's kind of hard to not refer to her as TBTC have lauded her as their poster girl now so yeah we can use her to make our points

Ace2007

Calltocall wrote: »

I May be going a little off topic here but something ive been curious/puzzled about how come huge blocks of student accomodation can go up in the city centre in lightning speed, I speak of one at the corner of summerhill and gardiner street and another on dorset street, there a few more and im speaking major developments in a matter of months yet our government are paralysed to get new builds off the ground for citizens accomodation, genuinely curious as to what’s going on here, what’s the major difference?

The land would be the major issue. then there is planning permission/objections etc.