Improving Football

Xenophile

Niles Crane wrote: »

Colm O'Rourke suggested in his Sindo piece this week that the first thing that should be done is to draw up a set of guiding principles for the sport so we get an idea first of exactly what we want the sport to be.

Happen to think that's quite a good starting point.

Football is currently in the emergency ward, especially as far as viewers are concerned.

A small experienced committee is required to introduce emergency changes before the National League.

ThunbergsAreGo

sicknotexi wrote: »

If you're hand passed to then you can't hand pass.

Can't punch the ball from your hand for a point.

Can't score a goal with your hand.

Black card system abolished


Basically encourage a kicking game and not one so reliant on running.

Why abolish the black card?

Its been mostly successful, and the something the womans game could do with looking at the final on Sunday

ThunbergsAreGo

Xenophile wrote: »

Football is currently in the emergency ward, especially as far as viewers are concerned.

A small experienced committee is required to introduce emergency changes before the National League.

What was the viewing figures for the final? Cannot find it anywhere

StupidLikeAFox

10 or 20 years ago there was a lot of 50:50 ball, sending it in to the forwards and letting the best man win. Ever since managers realised that it was more fruitful to be patient and use posession wisely, we have seen slow build up play and the dreaded "recycling" of posession instead of hit and hope type stuff. This means games are more predictable and tactical. You can change as many rules as you want but its still not going to stop teams attempting to use possession wisely when they have it or convince them to revert to the "good old days" when the tactics consisted of hoofing it in the general direction of your best player

BrianBoru00

1. Three referees at intercounty level with no linesmen
2. Possibly the same at club level €120 per match- Easier to get referees if theres a team of three of them at every adult game and if they do as a team one game per week and two on a Sunday from May to September that's a nice €2500 approximately to be paid out just before Christmas.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I think it would be next to impossible to officiate the 4 players in the half suggestion

It would if there were more than one ref.

bucketybuck wrote: »

To the best of my knowledge the tackle in GAA football is defined by the fact that you are supposed to tackle the ball, not the man. Block the ball, knock the ball out of the attackers hands, intercept the ball etc etc. Instead, we get multiple men surrounding a player and effectively punching his arms and body until he gets done for overcarrying, or boxing the player in on all sides without once even trying to touch the ball.

You would immediately improve the game a thousand fold simply by enforcing that law. The whistle should go every single time a defender grabs an arm, grabs a shirt, kneels down on or wraps his arms around a player who is prone.

As it stands it is far too easy for a defender to drag the attackers down to their level, and as such it makes no sense for weaker teams with weaker players to try and play through it. If the tackle was properly enforced it would immediately encourage faster and more mobile attackers, and weaker counties would try to develop those types of players instead of turning to the grinding defensive tactics that are the only leveller they have.

The GAA don't need to invent any new rules or change numbers or anything like that, they just need to enforce the rule they have.

This needs to be the starting point and I think three referees goes a long way towards enforcing it

naughtb4 wrote: »

Why abolish the black card?

Its been mostly successful, and the something the womans game could do with looking at the final on Sunday

It's hardly been mostly successful - At the very least - every other game has black cards not given or else given erroneously

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

10 or 20 years ago there was a lot of 50:50 ball, sending it in to the forwards and letting the best man win. Ever since managers realised that it was more fruitful to be patient and use posession wisely, we have seen slow build up play and the dreaded "recycling" of posession instead of hit and hope type stuff. This means games are more predictable and tactical. You can change as many rules as you want but its still not going to stop teams attempting to use possession wisely when they have it or convince them to revert to the "good old days" when the tactics consisted of hoofing it in the general direction of your best player

Nobody is suggesting they use it unwisely but we are suggesting changing rules and getting more technical with them as the rules have not evolved in the same way tactics have.

ThunbergsAreGo

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

It's hardly been mostly successful - At the very least - every other game has black cards not given or else given erroneously

There are yellow cards given (or not) erroneously as well, do we outlaw these?

BrianBoru00

naughtb4 wrote: »

There are yellow cards given (or not) erroneously as well, do we outlaw these?

Your implying I'm suggesting outlawing the black card. Why?

ThunbergsAreGo

BrianBoru00 wrote: »

Your implying I'm suggesting outlawing the black card. Why?

Ah sorry thought you were the original quote

BrianBoru00

naughtb4 wrote: »

Ah sorry thought you were the original quote

As BucketyBuck said - we first need to enforce the rules we have currently before we go making any changes. The officiating at all levels is poor including All Ireland Final as the amount of off the ball stuff that doesn't get pulled is huge.

More refs mean less opportunities to flout the rules and we can then tweak them on an annual basis - GAA keep shooting themselves in the foot.
e.g. Can only change rules every three or five years - not sure of the exact "Rule" -but then freak over Anthony Nash and bring a change in mid competition!!

but other sports tweak rules constantly to combat changes made in coaching

blanch152

sicknotexi wrote: »

If you're hand passed to then you can't hand pass.

Can't punch the ball from your hand for a point.

Can't score a goal with your hand.

Black card system abolished


Basically encourage a kicking game and not one so reliant on running.

This would have the effect of encouraging the defensive systems and would reduce scoring to something like 0-5 to 0-4 in every game.

tayto lover

13 a side is the way to go. The field is too congested.

Xenophile

No hand passes inside the 20 meter line. Hand scores to stand.

Bonniedog

Xenophile wrote: »

No hand passes inside the 20 meter line. Hand scores to stand.

Inside which 20 meter line?

If inside opposition 20 then it just encourages defence to smother the attackers, which most of them try to do anyway. No matter how far you go back you won't see too many kick passes close to goal. Shots yes, but hand/punch pass was always the optimal choice.

Xenophile

Bonniedog wrote: »

Inside which 20 meter line?

If inside opposition 20 then it just encourages defence to smother the attackers, which most of them try to do anyway. No matter how far you go back you won't see too many kick passes close to goal. Shots yes, but hand/punch pass was always the optimal choice.

Both 20 meter lines.

Drop the ball and kick it.

OttoPilot

Why not simply ban the handpass?

Other changes I'd make are removing the pickup, enforcing tackling the ball strictly and increasing the value of a goal to four points.

ThunbergsAreGo

OttoPilot wrote: »

Why not simply ban the handpass?

Other changes I'd make are removing the pickup, enforcing tackling the ball strictly and increasing the value of a goal to four points.

Because we aren't looking to make defensive systems more effective

elefant

13 a side teams for inter-county level could be something interesting to try in the league. I don't think changes are vital at club level where the athleticism levels aren't as freakishly high, so there's no need to reduce numbers there and make it more difficult for guys to get into local teams.

Regarding the mark, I wonder how it would pan out if an offensive mark could only be taken from kicks from play outside the 45 that are caught inside the 20? It would probably only come into play a couple of times a game at most, but might lead to a little bit more long kicking, especially when combined with the fewer playing numbers.

OttoPilot

naughtb4 wrote: »

Because we aren't looking to make defensive systems more effective

Handpassing makes defensive systems more effective. It's the less risky option of moving the ball. If a team puts 15 men behind the ball, it's very difficult to kick pass out because they're all bunched together.

Besides, I don't think a score consisting of 14 handpasses and one poor kick pass is a good one anyway.

Amprodude

1.) handpass the ball forward only not backwards.

2) 3 handpass in line of play before the ball must be kicked.

3) run 4 steps followed by 1 hop 1 solo and get rid of ball.

4) full siren when time is up like Aussie rules. clock should stop when there is a stoppage like an injury. no additional time.

Felexicon

Amprodude wrote: »

1.) handpass the ball forward only not backwards.

2) 3 handpass in line of play before the ball must be kicked.

3) run 4 steps followed by 1 hop 1 solo and get rid of ball.

4) full siren when time is up like Aussie rules. clock should stop when there is a stoppage like an injury. no additional time.

Rule 3 would be terrible for the game.

Xenophile

Amprodude wrote: »

1.) handpass the ball forward only not backwards.

2) 3 handpass in line of play before the ball must be kicked.

3) run 4 steps followed by 1 hop 1 solo and get rid of ball.

4) full siren when time is up like Aussie rules. clock should stop when there is a stoppage like an injury. no additional time.

Thank you for your contribution.

Sweet.Science

A bonus point in the super 8s If You score over a certain amount of points or 2 or more goals

OldMrBrennan83

Sweet.Science wrote: »

A bonus point in the super 8s If You score over a certain amount of points or 2 or more goals

Squash the ball into an egg and only let them pass it backwards too.

Amprodude

long distance point should be 2 points. Bring the art of kicking a football back into the game.

Xenophile

Amprodude wrote: »

long distance point should be 2 points. Bring the art of kicking a football back into the game.

A good suggestion. For kicks taken outside the 45 meter line.

LoveMeSexy

I can only presume some of these suggested rule changes are deliberately horrendous. Have some of you played football before or what's the craic?

Anyway my suggestion are

1) Double points for every kick pass before a score after 7+ kick passes. If within that play there was 4 or more 20 metre kick passes then the subsequent score will be worth a minimum of 5 points plus an extra substitute is awarded.

2) Each team should have 2 designated handpassers, only they may handpass the ball.

Amprodude

LoveMeSexy wrote: »

I can only presume some of these suggested rule changes are deliberately horrendous. Have some of you played football before or what's the craic?

Anyway my suggestion are

1) Double points for every kick pass before a score after 7+ kick passes. If within that play there was 4 or more 20 metre kick passes then the subsequent score will be worth a minimum of 5 points plus an extra substitute is awarded.

2) Each team should have 2 designated handpassers, only they may handpass the ball.

1. tell me with point no.1 how would you or anyone keep track of all the kick passes in the modern game?

2. how would point no.2 help the game? what happens if designated players get injured,substituted or sent off?

theory at its finest.

Slipperydodger

First of all, we have to get rid of the needless handbags/scumbag tactics involved in Gaelic Football, particularly up North. More of it tonight as seen in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDO7vyKJw0w&feature=youtu.be

CloughCasey1

Christ on a feckin bike. There is a power of armchair footballers on here.

1. On of the best goals ever scored was 1990 meath v dublin Derry Foley if im not mistaken from all of 3yards. Meath tore dublin to shreds with fast movement, quick hands. ACCURATE AND FAST HANDPASSING IS A SKILL!!!

2. One of the best points in football was scored by Sean Og when Mike Donnellan won possession inside id own 45 and worked it forward at speed until there was a score on. ACCURATE AND FAST HANDPASSING IS A SKILL!!!

3. All kickouts to go outside 45. It promotes the Mark yes no doubt about that. But only 4 to 6 players to be between the the two 45s would have to be a must. This is a good idea.

4. If we we stop the 2nd or 3rd handpass in a row then this will happen. Teams will win possession and be let keep the ball. The opposition will sprint back inside the 45 and crowd the D. The opposition will make a hand pass and there will be room to make a short kickpass as the defenders will be getting back to the D. There will be scope for teams to develop a 2nd or even a 3rd sweeper as you cannot get cut apart anymore as everyone will expect this hail mary ball into the square. Who wants to be watching sh1te like that. Caveman football.

5. Leave the handpass alone FFS.

6. A new curved line can be added which starts on each sideline on the 14 then arcs around splitting the distance between 45 and the edge of the D and this can be called the "scoring zone" any points from play outside this is worth 2 points. This promotes longer shooting then pulls out defences an extra 10 yards which leaves space inside. Goals should then be worth 4 points. Any ball fielded inside this arc is a Mark and even though it is insede the scoring zone is worth 2 points.

7. Leave tackling alone. Its a mans game and if you want to bring the ball stupidly into the tackle with the new rules above then the oppisition should be allowed to drown ya.

WE NEED TO PROMOTE SKILLS NOT TAKE THEM AWAY.

CloughCasey1

Sorry Freedom but give me an O'Neills, a world cup soccer ball and a volleyball I woukd kick the O'Neills further longer and more accurate than the other two each and every time. O'Neills ball is also easier to catch and handpass accurately.

blanch152

Slipperydodger wrote: »

First of all, we have to get rid of the needless handbags/scumbag tactics involved in Gaelic Football, particularly up North. More of it tonight as seen in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDO7vyKJw0w&feature=youtu.be

That is easily solved. Third and subsequent players to join a melee get a straight red and an automatic four-week suspension.

Felexicon

Amprodude wrote: »

1. tell me with point no.1 how would you or anyone keep track of all the kick passes in the modern game?

2. how would point no.2 help the game? what happens if designated players get injured,substituted or sent off?

theory at its finest.

LoveMeSexy wrote: »

I can only presume some of these suggested rule changes are deliberately horrendous. Have some of you played football before or what's the craic?

Anyway my suggestion are

1) Double points for every kick pass before a score after 7+ kick passes. If within that play there was 4 or more 20 metre kick passes then the subsequent score will be worth a minimum of 5 points plus an extra substitute is awarded.

2) Each team should have 2 designated handpassers, only they may handpass the ball.

I think your sarcasm radar is broken

tigerboon

Xenophile wrote: »

Amprodude wrote: »

long distance point should be 2 points. Bring the art of kicking a football back into the game.

A good suggestion. For kicks taken outside the 45 meter line.

Not much else needs to be changed if this was the case. Maybe drop the black and have a 5 minute sin bin.