Everton Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2024/25

Good God. All I remember is that Martinez was absolutely detested by Everton supporters by the end of his reign. Surely has to be a wind up? (I'm a Spurs fan by the way).

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490929#Comment_118490929

Martinez is a bit of a spoofer. I don’t want him back.

beggars_bush

I'd take Stephen Kenny over Martinez.

This all goes back to the appointment of Koeman and DOF Walsh. A brutal manager who didn't want to be at the club and a DOF who spent a fortune to make the squad worse

chicorytip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118485769#Comment_118485769

No. Rooney is doing well and seems to have the potential to manage at a higher level but that's all at the moment. Rafa would have done the business. I thought he conducted himself in a dignified manner throughout the weekend. Another experienced old head is required right now. Big Sam, ironically, might be the best man.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490994#Comment_118490994

Big Sam , Rafa - no - even Potter doesnt want the job - its all so depressing , if Dunc takes over I think I'll give up

chicorytip

Fat Frankie being interviewed today.

AdrianG08

Liverpool fan here, not one who worships the ground Rafa walks on.

The game has moved on from when he was successful, for a man who appears humble the football manager can't help himself trying to break things that work in order to reinvent them hence its his tactics that are the reason for success. See Real Madrid as a reference. Tinkered with a winning team to try and subjugate his team to come under his control, it's akin to him letting them know he is the man.

That brings me to my question. Lucas Digne. Always struck me as one of your best players. French international, modern full back, how is it that Rafa always seems to fall out with these guys? And how is he allowed to be sold when the guy he fell out with gets sacked like a week later?

It's like Rafa tries to make a point that it's not about good players, it's about his own tactical genius. He did it at Liverpool too with Alonso, stupid petty argument, seemed to turn on him when he missed a champions League game to attend birth of a child (Alonso is one of footballs good guys, dedicated and very professional with excellent mentality, low maintenance) but Rafa could not help himself.

You guys need to start by building the structures at the club from the bottom up. Doesn't matter which first team coach is right now, DOF/Sporting director is more important and any manager with too big of an ego to work with this DOF, well they should be immediately disregarded. Success will always be collaborative.

Klopp works with a team of people at Liverpool behind the scenes, zero ego, all pulling in one direction. Contrast that at Man Utd who have either gone with a big name who wants all the control, or inexperience who will work with an insufficiently qualified backroom team and administration.

thebaz

appaerently won't be martinez after all, Lampard next up

thebaz

Duncan has apparently got the job - Big Sam backs him and says he will help out - feal its my turn to be done with it all !

lawred2

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2022/jan/18/david-squires-rafa-benitez-sacking-everton-merseyside-blues

:)

dubrov

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496337#Comment_118496337

Well if Big Sam backs him there is nothing to worry about 🤣

AdrianG08

What's the feeling amongst fans losing Digne? Rafa seemingly forced him out, was 25million a bargain for Villa?

wally79

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499290#Comment_118499290

Time will tell. On the face of it he hasn’t had the greatest 1 or 2 seasons. No assists this season and not superb defensively

however some of that may be related to managerial tactics and a general weakness in the back line

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499223#Comment_118499223

Big Sam probably has his eye on the DoF position - at this stage nothing would surprise me

john9876

I presume Duncan Ferguson will be an interim appointment until the end of the season?

wally79

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499553#Comment_118499553

Your first mistake is to presume Everton do anything with foresight.

he may be interim manager at the end of the season but that doesn’t mean there won’t be also be a permanent manager between now and the

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118499290#Comment_118499290

Opinions are divided on that one. I think losing Digne was a huge mistake

SickBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500521#Comment_118500521

I agree considering how things played out less than a week later.

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118500521#Comment_118500521

Given how clearly the writing was on the wall with Rafa, I’d guess he wanted out anyway. Literally everyone everywhere made the point that he’d easily outlast Rafa if he hung tight, and the fact that he’s played under 4 different managers in his 3 and a half seasons means he knows better than anyone that he wouldn’t have to wait long. I really think his move was about more than just Rafa. Reckon Rafa was just the final straw.

lawred2

Mosh sticks another 100m in to the club. He's not backing away anyway.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118512566#Comment_118512566

it is good news - we will probably get the Big Dunc bounce and beat Villa tomorrow , hes talking the right stuff, and with a full squad availavle

beggars_bush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118512566#Comment_118512566

So he's increased his shareholding, meaning less scrutiny

Gavlor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118512566#Comment_118512566

Old news apparently. He’s not particularly giving it away either. Basically turning a debt to equity.

dubrov

I think it's great news. The fear was that Moshiri had gotten cold feet after his last disastrous investments. He could've easily left that debt as is and pulled the money out of the club

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118514475#Comment_118514475

Yeah it's good for the balance sheet of the club though.

How much did he increase his shareholding by?

Gavlor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118514547#Comment_118514547

He owns 127k out of 135k total

Brian?

That’s the performance of a team going down.

Gavlor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118517215#Comment_118517215

Yep. The whole club is a mess

Gavlor

I’ve supported Everton since I was a boy about 40 years ago. Apart from some good years at the start and the cup in 95 which was at the end of a horrific season it has been nothing but frustration and disappointment.

I’ve become so disenfranchised with the club that results like today and the pending relegation don’t even really bother me anymore.

I’m sure there are plenty more like me

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118517381#Comment_118517381

would be a start if Ferguson and Kenwright left the club , they have been ther for all the rot.

Someting fresh is needed, not Ferguson blood and thunder, but a plan for the moderrn age.

thebaz

Good to know Duncan is very pleased with it all - do the honourable thing and just leave , we need a new begining, even if we go down with style and a real plan, somthing to build on, rather than the never-ending years of dross.

lawred2

We're going down.

Football is too professional these days. You get no "new manager" bounces. Oppositions are simply too well prepared.

Everton is awash with yesterday's men.

And frauds.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118518259#Comment_118518259

Ther is only one leader in the squad , Coleman, and he is not good eneough these days for this level, the likes of Gbamin and Delph robbing a living probably on 50 Grand a week, playing one game a season, can you image what morale is like for anyone young and ambitious at the club., for the likes of Godfrey and DCL standards will inevitable fall in such an environment.

pavb2

Was up at the match today Goodison is a lovely ground plenty of character but you can’t stop progress and at least you’ve got a new stadium to look forward to.

As a Villa fan I thought a draw would have been a fair result today, we had no control of the game 2nd half and most of us thought an Everton goal was inevitable

From the outside looking in I don’t think Everton will go down but you’ve got to replace Ferguson ASAP. A pragmatic approach is required, I’d look at Nuno rather than the likes of Canavarro plenty of PL experience and given the number of games left I think he’d do enough for the rest of the season to get you out of trouble

beggars_bush

Another Big Sam appointment?

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118518328#Comment_118518328

I don't think Coleman is a leader. Screeching at everyone before you slice a ball across the box isn't leadership. Nor are those hang dog faces with weekly acknowledgements that we all have to do better...

Leaders do it on the field first and foremost. And then talk after.

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118518703#Comment_118518703

Well I don't see anyone better at leadership than him ?

At least he tries in comparison to the likes of Gbamin, Delph and Gomez ... just that he is past his best, with injuries and age

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118519421#Comment_118519421

It's a low bar. There's no leadership anywhere

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118519460#Comment_118519460

Allan is a leader, so is Dacoure. They should always play together when fit. I’ve no idea why Allan was dropped today, he’s been the only one putting in 100% effort lately.

We played desperate stuff today. Caveman football, hoofing it long to DCL and hoping Richarlison could do something with the second ball. Pathetic.

Stripeyman

Duncan said after the game that Allan was coming back from Covid and had trained very little (if at all) during the week. Hopefully Doucoure's injury is not serious and he'll be back next week.

I fully agree on your second point, we're seriously lacking a bit of creativity. The only test their keeper faced today was trying to figure out how much time he could take when he had possession. Gordon offered more when he came on though, he surely has to start next week.

wally79

I thought we were much improved second half. Very unlucky that either Godfrey or Mina didn’t score. Also Calvert lewin still not back to full sharpness

If Gordon and Allan had started in place of Townsend and Gomes I think we would have won that

we will survive and hopefully the next season is better

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118519694#Comment_118519694

I agree , staying up playing Caveman football under Dunc and we will back to the same place next October - need leadership and a plan from someone new and creative not a dinasaur who has been here for all the bad stuff, and gets a pass for his playing days 30 years ago.

eh i dunno

Unfortunately looks like Vitor Pereira is getting the job. Can't see this ending well. Sacked in December by fenerbache.

wally79

Yeah I’d even rather see Rooney get the job. Better a might be than a has been IMO

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534038#Comment_118534038

know very little about him, would prefer Lampard the other choice - but think they should make a massive offer to Potter, the choices are very poor , as its someone like Conte or Simeone thats needed right now, and thats not happening.

Brian?

He’s the least worst option I’ve seen mentioned. From what I read Fenerbache was a mess before he joined and he did ok considering. He’s a disciplinarian, but does well with young players. So let’s see.

eh i dunno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534683#Comment_118534683

Got relegated in Germany too. Won a few titles with Porto but that's not much of an achievement

thebaz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534683#Comment_118534683

Certainly better than Ferguson, who should be shown the door, and follow Rafa

dubrov

I don't think it'll matter who we get in. The result will be the same.

It's more important if Moshiri is prepared to invest to replace the dross that is currently there.

chicorytip

Pereira, at least, has silverware in his cabinet. Lampard, Rooney and Potter don't have the proverbial pot between them. So, he looks the outstanding candidate of those left in the field. Even Stevie Gerrard, whom I don't really rate, won the title at Rangers. You can't take a gamble on somebody like Lampard purely on the basis that he has the potential to become successful.