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The Joker movie - starring Joaquin Phoenix (MOD: May contain Spoilers)

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    #212
    Skerries
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    aww, you just jinxed it
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    #213
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,605 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Skerries wrote: »
    aww, you just jinxed it

    Ha true enough; though as mentioned earlier, if this becomes a hit, I wouldn't be surprised if Todd Phillips gets petitioned to make more, or extend into this universe.

    Though by the sounds & looks of it - and some of the reviews thus far - you'd struggle to insert Batman into this universe. It sounds too broken and miserable for a man to stalk the rooftops in a bat costume.


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    #214
    silverharp
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    The trailer seems to be getting a better reaction on Youtube than Star Wars, more views, likes etc.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #215
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,605 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's a film that has absolutely nothing to lose, and arguably started its life with fandom casting a suspicious, cynical eye. It was only ever going to gain support, assuming trailers showed a sliver of vision; whereas Star Wars is a tainted brand for all sorts of reasons, be they real or imagined.


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    #216
    tigger123
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    silverharp wrote: »
    The trailer seems to be getting a better reaction on Youtube than Star Wars, more views, likes etc.

    That says more about content creators on YouTube than anything else. It's not a reliable metric.


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    #217
    Chris_Heilong
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    That says more about content creators on YouTube than anything else. It's not a reliable metric.

    I would say it has a lot to do with fans being burned by The Last Jedi. If that film was universally praised then I think the new Star Wars trailer would have a lot more interest.


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    #218
    silverharp
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    That says more about content creators on YouTube than anything else. It's not a reliable metric.

    sorry I meant the actual trailer, it has several million more views and a lot more upvotes

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #219
    peteeeed
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    is this the greatest tease ever ?
    Robert pattinson asking for comments about the joker to be retracted

    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/09/robert-pattinson-batman-crossover-joaquin-phoenix-joker-theory-1202170657/


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    #220
    Drumpot
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    peteeeed wrote: »
    is this the greatest tease ever ?
    Robert pattinson asking for comments about the joker to be retracted

    https://www.indiewire.com/2019/09/robert-pattinson-batman-crossover-joaquin-phoenix-joker-theory-1202170657/


    Let’s be optimistic and say joker is as good as we think it might be and very successful. Any chance of a proper adult, R rated , Batman movie?

    It’s not that we need R rated movies to be good (like Nolan’s Batman’s) , it’s that the studio does not restrict the director (in this case presumably Phillips) from telling the best story possible. If they have already built an R rated Joker I find it a difficult transition back to a more watered down version for younger audiences.


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    #221
    The Late Late Show
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    Slightly confused about this film. I assume this is a sort of a prequel to the Batman films about Batman's main enemy. But how come there is a name for the Joker Arthur Fleck and a backstory about him being a failed comedian? Wasn't the Joker a gangland figure in both Batman 1989 and also The Dark Knight? He was named as Jack Napier in the former.


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    #222
    PTH2009
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    God I cant wait for this movie


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    #223
    s8n
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    God I cant wait for this movie

    you are gonna have to


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    #224
    ricero
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    No way will this movie be a stand-alone. They would be leaving too much money on the table.


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    #225
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    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    Slightly confused about this film. I assume this is a sort of a prequel to the Batman films about Batman's main enemy. But how come there is a name for the Joker Arthur Fleck and a backstory about him being a failed comedian? Wasn't the Joker a gangland figure in both Batman 1989 and also The Dark Knight? He was named as Jack Napier in the former.

    Ignore 1989 barring the chemical tank (even if that is not in this on)
    In Dark Knight the Joker was already fully in the persona, not an origin.

    This is not a prequel to the films you have already seen.
    Assuming that this story leans heavily on the One(ish) Bad Day line of thought from The Killing Joke


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    #226
    peteeeed
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    The Late Late Show wrote: »
    Slightly confused about this film. I assume this is a sort of a prequel to the Batman films about Batman's main enemy. But how come there is a name for the Joker Arthur Fleck and a backstory about him being a failed comedian? Wasn't the Joker a gangland figure in both Batman 1989 and also The Dark Knight? He was named as Jack Napier in the former.

    Didn't the director say this movie would not follow anything from the comic books


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    #227
    pixelburp
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    It'll be a standalone movie, until it isn't. And beyond the obvious caveat of the film's success in the box-office, extending the universe entirely depends on Phillips & (especially) Phoenix wanting to come back in the first place.


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    #228
    El Duda
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    I have high hopes that Phoenix would reject being part of any kind of sequel.

    This should be stand alone.


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    #229
    correction
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    Phoneix was interested in playing Doctor Strange but wouldn't agree to the multi film deals that Marvel must have if I'm remembering correctly. If that was the case you'd assume this is a one film deal so would require him agreeing to come back which taking into account everything we know about him feels unlikely. But at the same time if they sit him down and deliver a seriously good script for introducing Batman into this world you never know.


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    #230
    The White Wolf
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    correction wrote: »
    Phoneix was interested in playing Doctor Strange but wouldn't agree to the multi film deals that Marvel must have if I'm remembering correctly. If that was the case you'd assume this is a one film deal so would require him agreeing to come back which taking into account everything we know about him feels unlikely. But at the same time if they sit him down and deliver a seriously good script for introducing Batman into this world you never know.

    Not that I think he would sign up for a sequel, but the difference is that Marvel were asking him to make a multi film commitment where he would be giving up any kind of creative input and flexibility in what he could ssy no to.

    In this situation however Phillips and Phoenix have the power assuming all goes well and the film is a smash. I would compare it more to how Nolan had WB by the balls in regards to coming back for TDKR.


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    #231
    rossie1977
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    El Duda wrote: »
    I have high hopes that Phoenix would reject being part of any kind of sequel.

    This should be stand alone.

    Even if he wins Oscar and its a massive success at box office?


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    #232
    El Duda
    Registered Users Posts: 881 ✭✭✭El Duda


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Even if he wins Oscar and its a massive success at box office?




    Especially if he wins an Oscar and its a massive success at box office.


    Too much of a good thing never ends well.


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    #233
    kerplun k
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    El Duda wrote: »
    I have high hopes that Phoenix would reject being part of any kind of sequel.

    This should be stand alone.

    Yep. I’m thinking the same. Iirc, that’s exactly the reason he turned down the Dr Strange role.


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    #234
    El Duda
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    We've seen how well this has been received by critics. Lots of comparisons to 70's Scorsese films etc..

    Why on earth would anyone want to risk tainting this (potential) classic film by having him appear in a Justice League or Suicide Squad?

    He was fantastic in the phenomenal 'You were never really here' and I don't see anyone who enjoyed that film clamouring for a sequel.


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    #235
    Oafley Jones
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    It'll be a standalone movie, until it isn't. And beyond the obvious caveat of the film's success in the box-office, extending the universe entirely depends on Phillips & (especially) Phoenix wanting to come back in the first place.

    I don’t think the tone of Philip’s movie lends itself to universe building. The inherent silliness of comic book characters is a hard wall and one that Nolan quickly hit even with his “realistic” take.


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    #236
    johnny_ultimate
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    Well I don’t think anyone expected this. Joker just won the top prize at the immensely prestigious Venice Film Festival. The Joker himself would relish such a grenade being thrown into the film Twitter discourse (especially since a new Roman Polanski film was the runner-up :pac:).

    https://twitter.com/la_biennale/status/1170402890860679169?s=21


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    #237
    pixelburp
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    Yowsers, the hype is truly real. WB/DC must be absolutely salivating at this stage...


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    #238
    Uncharted
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    Yowsers, the hype is truly real. WB/DC must be absolutely salivating at this stage...

    Sh1t just got real.

    I really hope this is not a poisoned chalice.


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    #239
    pixelburp
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    Uncharted wrote: »
    Sh1t just got real.

    I really hope this is not a poisoned chalice.

    And remember, a $50 million dollar budget. If this hype transposes into footfall, hard not to see this making an obscene profit for WB.


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    #240
    Ipso
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    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    Well I don’t think anyone expected this. Joker just won the top prize at the immensely prestigious Venice Film Festival. The Joker himself would relish such a grenade being thrown into the film Twitter discourse (especially since a new Roman Polanski film was the runner-up :pac:).

    https://twitter.com/la_biennale/status/1170402890860679169?s=21

    He’d be even more delighted to beat a rapist to first place.


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    #241
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    Ipso wrote: »
    He’d be even more delighted to beat a rapist to first place.

    From Reddit...
    Not surprising that Polanski came in a little behind

    Jaysus.


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