1% pay increase

Ace2007

judeboy101 wrote: »

Because the gov have no intention of giving us equality, they keep pushing it out stringing it out til we give up like good little boys and girls.

There is never going to be equality in teaching, so when do you stop striking?

Like what do you call equality in teaching?

joebloggs32

SligoBrewer wrote: »

It's striking time.

Dont strike now. We have no leverage in the Autumn. If we learned anything from the last strike its that the government are prepared to let us stand out in the rain at a time in the year when there is no major pressures in schools.
We need to strike when exam season is ready to start in tbe spring. That would focus the minds.
I know some say what about the students but we never win the PR war anyway. We must use all the availble tools we have.
Secondly there is a good chance of an election in the new year so no government would want a major public service going on strike then.

km79

We went on strike last year
We backed down after 48 hours
Most of the teachers we were striking for in my school either left the union (and then rejoined for no penalty in the summer ) ,switched unions and crossed the picket line

Why on earth does anyone think we should or will strike again . We had our chance and for all the reasons above it failed .
Not happening


And just a point to note
It's the same people posting here all the time . It's a Saturday night and a few of us are conversing but don't for a minute think that the vast vast majority of teachers are giving any of this a second thought!
Wages will go up slightly and they will think it's tax!

Sir123

deiseindublin wrote: »

Maybe Sir123 is an LPT that is sick of partial restoration. I'd vote NO if I were an LPT. As someone on the old payscale I'd be torn about what best to do for my colleagues tbh .

No doubt the unions won't put it to us though, they'll just keep putting up posts online about the great victories they've had so far, albeit still being unequal.

You'd be correct DeiseinDublin and I'd like to thank you as a pre 2011 teacher for having our backs.

Ace2007, a pay increase is not pay restoration for post 2011 teachers. We don't want a pay increase, we want to be paid on the same pay scale to our colleagues recruited before 2011. This is equality in teaching. Any deal that doesn't offer this equalisation isn't worth it in my opinion.

judeboy101

Ace2007 wrote: »

There is never going to be equality in teaching, so when do you stop striking?

Like what do you call equality in teaching?

Every teacher on the same scale, same access to allowances and has access to the same pension

ThePiedPiper

Although there’s been so much fobbing off of the inequality issue from government, I felt this time may actually be different. Politically, it’s become a major headache for the government, with Fianna Fáil practically insisting on it being addressed this year as part of the Confidence and Supply agreement.

27061986a

ThePiedPiper wrote: »

Although there’s been so much fobbing off of the inequality issue from government, I felt this time may actually be different. Politically, it’s become a major headache for the government, with Fianna Fáil practically insisting on it being addressed this year as part of the Confidence and Supply agreement.

...considering the fact it was a fianna fail government that started the wave of public sector pay cuts back in 2009. (pension levy in march 2009 and 5% cut in all public sector pay in budget 2010 and also 10% reduction in pay for all new public sector workers recruited after 1st january 2011)

mtoutlemonde

27061986a wrote: »

...considering the fact it was a fianna fail government that started the wave of public sector pay cuts back in 2009. (pension levy in march 2009 and 5% cut in all public sector pay in budget 2010 and also 10% reduction in pay for all new public sector workers recruited after 1st january 2011)

I hope people remember that if a general election is called.

27061986a

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

I hope people remember that if a general election is called.

And I also forgot to mention Brendan (the wee man) Howlin (Mr labour Party) who abolished most allowances in 2011 for new entrants to the public sector. Seems you can trust nobody.

Sir123

27061986a wrote: »

And I also forgot to mention Brendan (the wee man) Howlin (Mr labour Party) who abolished most allowances in 2011 for new entrants to the public sector. Seems you can trust nobody.

Don't forget that he also introduced the single pension scheme for post 2013 workers which means we'll pay more in that we get out. And the public seem to think we get a great teachers pension.

Ace2007

judeboy101 wrote: »

Every teacher on the same scale, same access to allowances and has access to the same pension

Regardless of how much it will cost the state and tax payers, or regardless that the majority of workers in this country have little or no pension at retirement?

I don't think the majority of people understand how valuable their pension is.

Would you accept if the government closed all pension schemes to future accrual and put everyone in a DC scheme - so that it would be fair and everyone would have the same benefits?

r93kaey5p2izun

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Have ye no shame, using kids as leverage. A post previously saying exam kids should be weaponised. FFS, do ye remember being exam students yourselves?

Teachers are not badly paid. Should they be on the same scale? Yes, but why do ye think everyone should be brought UP, would ye not be reasonable and request everyone be put on the same scale at no extra cost?

Another point, kids could still get the same summer holidays, teachers could be redeployed within the civil service during the period they are not teaching. They work 183 days a year compared to most others on 251.

How do you see this impacting on the rapidly growing crisis in recruitment and retention of teachers?

limnam

Emmett Tall Resistor wrote: »

How do you see this impacting on the rapidly growing crisis in recruitment and retention of teachers?

Where are the teachers leaving to go to teach considering they're one of the highest paid in the OECD.


Or are they leaving the teaching profession ?


any stats ?

ThePiedPiper

limnam wrote: »

Where are the teachers leaving to go to teach considering they're one of the highest paid in the OECD.


Or are they leaving the teaching profession ?


any stats ?

No stats to hand, just what I see all around me. Mostly they’re going to the UAE, although the Far East and Australia are getting more common too. To be honest, if we didn’t have four children, two already in school, my wife and I, both post 2011 pay scales, would be gone.

limnam

ThePiedPiper wrote: »

No stats to hand, just what I see all around me. Mostly they’re going to the UAE, although the Far East and Australia are getting more common too. To be honest, if we didn’t have four children, two already in school, my wife and I, both post 2011 pay scales, would be gone.

Strange as there seems to be a thread on the front page many teachers not been able to find work....

r93kaey5p2izun

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0124/935688-teacher-recruitment-leaders-questions/

This is one example of political discussion on the issue of teacher shortages. It's more acute in Leinster.

Teachers are leaving for the Middle East or just leaving teaching. Many teachers have prior qualifications and careers. They're returning to the private sector.

spurious

Off topic posts, trolls and responses deleted.
Please, there is no point engaging with them.

gaiscioch

Thankfully the anti-teacher brigade are also keen to mention that all teachers pay an extra 10% plus tax over and above the usual PAYE, PRSI, USC etc for that very same pension on all of their income above €28,750. Try googling the emergency legislation PRD which we've been paying since March 2009, or as it will be known from January 2019 when that extra 10% plus tax becomes a permanent fixture on our salaries, the ASC.

Oh wait, they haven't. Quelle surprise.

Of course, if teaching were such a cushy job, they could become one? But they haven't, instructively enough. Drop into the 'Worst Job' thread and see how many times teaching gets a mention, for instance. Smugly telling teachers who now have mortgages and familial responsibilities - the big people stuff - that they could up and leave the career they spent years training for and getting experience in simply because fonctionnaires in the Department of Education unilaterally change the nature of their jobs/their employment contracts is a special form of disconnect from the real working environment and the obligations grown ups have to look after their children. A simple google on 'structural unemployment' might enlighten there, along with a bit of an idea of the struggles of jobseekers in their early 50s, for instance.

Meanwhile, the yellow pack naive kids just off the boat from the English school system - where
40% of teachers quit in the first years after qualifying but shhh - who will now accept inferior working conditions in the Irish system will rue all their stupidity in 10 years time when they have all the financial demands of property, childcare, private health insurance, gp visits and the like in our high cost economy.

And when these English-trained bureaucrat- teachers are struggling to find the energy to teach those classes due to the Irish school system aping the failed, ideologically Tory, English school system there will probably be a younger generation of spineless naive myopic simpletons right behind them telling them to leave the pseudo profession of administrator-teacher. They reap what they are sowing now.

This "reformed" system will certainly be exposed for the yellow pack inferior one that it is before then, however, and expect to see many legal cases brought against schools and the DoE for stress and failure to protect the mental health of teachers long before that. Zero vision here. It's actually stunning how obviously dangerous and short-sighted these "reforms" are.

Avatar MIA

Emmett Tall Resistor wrote: »

How do you see this impacting on the rapidly growing crisis in recruitment and retention of teachers?

Good question, but seeing as reasonable posts are being censored...

gaiscioch

27061986a wrote: »

And I also forgot to mention Brendan (the wee man) Howlin (Mr labour Party) who abolished most allowances in 2011 for new entrants to the public sector. Seems you can trust nobody.

Howlin, as mé féiners go he's an egregiously offensive one; just in case anybody forgets Howlin also sought a special exemption for his friend/"special advisor" to be paid a salary of €134,000, far above the €92,000 limit in place, at the very same time he imposed cutbacks on us.

'Officials cautioned Howlin not to pay his adviser €133,600'

Yeah, I for one am not forgetting our "Do as we say, not as we do" smoked salmon socialists in the Labour party either. There was a lot of genuine patriotism in our staff room at the start of this crisis in 2009, but then we saw that Howlin and his ilk had a Leona Helmsley-style attitude to cutbacks: only the little people get cutbacks.

The actions of the government ministers of this state at the very time we were being excoriated to make sacrifices "for the public good" should not be forgotten as an insight into how when push comes to shove the Brendan Howlins of our political class will throw us over the cliff while ensuring they and their friends will not be thrown with us. "Leadership", it's apparently called. An utterly discredited class.

Sunny Disposition

Another pay increase, it’s some job!

Avatar MIA

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Another pay increase, it’s some job!

Are you thinking of retraining as a teacher then?

Are you thinking of Primary or secondary teaching?

Sunny Disposition

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Are you thinking of retraining as a teacher then?

Are you thinking of Primary or secondary teaching?

Have a mortgage to pay which is an obstacle, is there a part time post grad option or is it gone? Primary would be best I suppose but secondary okay too.

km79

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Another pay increase, it’s some job!

For all public servants .......

km79

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Have a mortgage to pay which is an obstacle, is there a part time post grad option or is it gone? Primary would be best I suppose but secondary okay too.

Luckily no teachers at all have mortgages to pay
This 1% will be used by every teacher to fund their many holidays

joebloggs32

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Another pay increase, it’s some job!

Average private sector pay rise in Ireland for 2018 is somewhere around 2.5% according to a quick google.
The public sector are getting 1% now, 1.5% next year and 2% in 2020.

Avatar MIA

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Have a mortgage to pay which is an obstacle, is there a part time post grad option or is it gone? Primary would be best I suppose but secondary okay too.

If you have honours Irish in the LC you can pass an entrance exam and join as a mature student. Usually 4 years full time study to become a primary school teacher.

Or if you have a relevant primary degree you can get accreditation from the teaching council and take a two-year post grad training to become a secondary school teacher.

That you may have financial commitments is irrelevant, those that chose to prioritise their career rightly get rewarded.

Sunny Disposition

km79 wrote: »

Luckily no teachers at all have mortgages to pay
This 1% will be used by every teacher to fund their many holidays

Of course teachers have mortgages to pay, I’m sure it’s as much of an obstacle to going back to college full time as it would be for anyone else. That’s a really stupid comment.

Sunny Disposition

Avatar MIA wrote: »

If you have honours Irish in the LC you can pass an entrance exam and join as a mature student. Usually 4 years full time study to become a primary school teacher.

Or if you have a relevant primary degree you can get accreditation from the teaching council and take a two-year post grad training to become a secondary school teacher.

That you may have financial commitments is irrelevant, those that chose to prioritise their career rightly get rewarded.

Cheers for the info, but can you do the post grad part time?
I know my circumstances are irrelevant, I’m not looking for anyone to pay my bills while I study.
I think ur being a bit naive to say you get rewarded if you prioritize your career, some people end up in industries that just decline or even vanish. That’s a childish view my friend, the real world just isn’t as fair as that.

Avatar MIA

^^^ no, you cannot do it part time, time will be spent during the day in classes.