French bus driver slaps teenager for disrespect

Hitman3000

Alpha_zero wrote:

Should have used a closed fist to make it worth while.

Seems to be the attitude of several here

mdwexford

vicwatson wrote: »

Do you know the meaning of assault?

Yeah, not this.

Your posts here are silly.

mdwexford

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Love this chestnut, always repeated by those that think it's ok to assualt a child. 'Done me no harm' what utter bs.

Why is it.

They are the facts.

Hitman3000

mdwexford wrote:

They are the facts.

Facts you say, care to elaborate?

Ficheall

Colleagues describe the driver as "known for his kindness, Olympic calm and patience".
Hmm..

Potential-Monke

mdwexford wrote: »

Why is it.

They are the facts.

There's no talking to someone like that. The vast majority of kids when I was growing up were given slaps, or the wooden spoon, or more (I got promoted to hurleys, brooms and kicks for a while - totally deserved). The vast majority of them are functioning members of society. Most of them have kids, and they don't hit them, not because it's allegedly wrong, but because they can't be dealing with the righteous brigade.

Now, I see less kids getting physically disciplined, and more kids with self entitled attitudes and behaving like little dicks. Just a personal view, but one that is shared by many I know. Strange that when physical discipline goes, acting like an entitled prat increases... Hmmmm...

iamwhoiam

Ficheall wrote: »

Colleagues describe the driver as "known for his kindness, Olympic calm and patience".
Hmm..

Why Hmm ? I am sure they know him well , better than we do anyway .

mdwexford

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Facts you say, care to elaborate?

They were being bold.
They got a slap.
They stopped.
They survived and became normal fuctioning members of the human race.

iamwhoiam

Potential-Monke wrote: »

There's no talking to someone like that. The vast majority of kids when I was growing up were given slaps, or the wooden spoon, or more (I got promoted to hurleys, brooms and kicks for a while - totally deserved). The vast majority of them are functioning members of society. Most of them have kids, and they don't hit them, not because it's allegedly wrong, but because they can't be dealing with the righteous brigade.

Now, I see less kids getting physically disciplined, and an more kids with self entitled attitudes and behaving like little dicks. Just a personal view, but one that is shared by many I know. Strange that when physical discipline goes, acting like an entitled prat increases... Hmmmm...

A lot of the problem is that many parents did not replace physical dicipline with any other effective method
Good parenting involves time , effort , conversation , explaination and consequences . But many are too lazy or self involved to do that

Hitman3000

mdwexford wrote:

They were being bold. They got a slap. They stopped. They survived and became normal fuctioning members of the human race.

You siad facts, these are opinion.

Ficheall

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What Hmm ? I am sure they know him well , better than we do anyway .

I'm sure they do. I'm on the driver's side here, but I'm not convinced of his Olympian calm.

vicwatson

per aspera ad astra wrote: »

He didn't get a slap for bad manners – he got a slap for running out in front of multi-tonne moving lump of steel, which would have destroyed his young body to pieces. This was not assault, it was not abuse – it was not violence. That child is lucky to be alive – and I guarantee you, that child will not die from crossing the road in the future. Life is not black and white.

Have a word with yourself eh? He’s s kid, driver has ample time to breath out, breath in and then go and verbally assault the brat, but he didn’t, he crossed the line.

NasserShammaz

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If you look at the start of the clip it looks like the lad and his mates are jumping up and down mocking the driver ,There must be more footage but without knowing what was said its hard to judge, but personally if the lad made a comment belittling the driver for his job or age etc... well tough sh*t he won@t do it again will he .

Uinseann_16

Play stupid games win stupid prizes
The kid will remember getting that slap, which is a hell of a lot better than some poor f*cker having to mop him up off the road had he pulled that stunt again and got hit by a bus:pac:
Bus driver shouldn't lose his job but perhaps some sort of disciplinary action. Had he not done this that kid may have gotten hit later on doing the same thing

Timberrrrrrrr

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Bullsh*t, violence towards a child is never an answer in any world real or imagined.

So a 15 year old walks up to you tomorrow, slaps you and tries to steal your wallet/phone you wouldnt fight back?

mdwexford

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You siad facts, these are opinion.

What part of that is an opinion.

Odhinn

Ficheall wrote: »

I'm sure they do. I'm on the driver's side here, but I'm not convinced of his Olympian calm.

He may have left it in the pocket of his other trousers.

Hitman3000

mdwexford wrote:

What part of that is an opinion.

All of it. Calling it fact doesn't make it so.
As an aside I read Martin Cahill's biography (The General) he may have been lying but he attributed the way he turned out to the violence and abuse he suffered in Daingean industrial school as a young child.

wakka12

Assaulting a child isn't okay, especially because he only slapped him because he's a child and knows he won't be able to fight back

EDIT: Just watched and the boy was a lot bigger than I thought he'd be at 12, looked more like 16 or 17,and he was a prick,I didn't realise it would be such a loud and obnoxious group jeering at the driver, glad he did what he did now

Hitman3000

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

So a 15 year old walks up to you tomorrow, slaps you and tries to steal your wallet/phone you wouldnt fight back?

Aah what ifs.. I'll let you know how I reacted if it ever happens.

NasserShammaz

wakka12 wrote: »

Assaulting a child isn't okay, especially because he only slapped him because he's a child and knows he won't be able to fight back

Nonsense

Noveight

Hitman3000 wrote: »

All of it. Calling it fact doesn't make it so.
As an aside I read Martin Cahill's biography (The General) he may have been lying but he attributed the way he turned out to the violence and abuse he suffered in Daingean industrial school as a young child.

What was probably regular and severe abuse in an industrial school is somewhat incomparable to a biannual clip 'round the ear, however.

Hitman3000

Noveight wrote:

What was probably regular and severe abuse in an industrial school is somewhat incomparable to a biannual clip 'round the ear, however.

We have someone here saying he got beaten with a hurl and kicked but no harm done. Not comparable with a biannual clip 'round the ear either.

iamwhoiam

Hitman3000 wrote: »

All of it. Calling it fact doesn't make it so.
As an aside I read Martin Cahill's biography (The General) he may have been lying but he attributed the way he turned out to the violence and abuse he suffered in Daingean industrial school as a young child.

In all fairness I don't think the one slap for a dangerous misbehaviour is comparable to the ongoing abuse of an industrial school

mdwexford

Hitman3000 wrote: »

All of it. Calling it fact doesn't make it so.
As an aside I read Martin Cahill's biography (The General) he may have been lying but he attributed the way he turned out to the violence and abuse he suffered in Daingean industrial school as a young child.

Don't think you understand what a fact is.

If it happened, it's a fact.

Oh really, one serious criminal fits the bill. Christ it must be so then.

Hitman3000

iamwhoiam wrote:

In all fairness I don't think the one slap for a dangerous misbehaviour is comparable to the ongoing abuse of an industrial school

Assualt is still assualt regardless of time or context in fairness.

numbnutz

So would it be fair to say that all the violence towards children set in this thread would be okay with other men slapping their children?
I know there are times when your child can wind you the f*ck up but where do you go after the first few slaps?...nowhere just more slaps.
When I was growing up I got the wooden spoon and "the clout" but what really wound me up the most was being kept in.
So no, slaps are not the answer.

Timberrrrrrrr

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Aah what ifs.. I'll let you know how I reacted if it ever happens.

You said

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Bullsh*t, violence towards a child is never an answer in any world real or imagined.

Now just because you have never (and may never) had to be involved in a situation that i described does not mean that others haven't.

The fact is that sometimes violence (even against a child) is justified. You may not agree with this but it's a fact that many others will understand and agree with.

MadDog76

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If he were my son he would get another clatter from me .

If he were my son I would kick the bus driver to death.

Hitman3000

mdwexford wrote:

Don't think you understand what a fact is.

I do that's why I said opinion.

mdwexford wrote:

Oh really, one serious criminal fits the bill. Christ it must be so then.

No at all just countering this bs that assualt a child causes no harm.

Hitman3000

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

Now just because you have never (and may never) had to be involved in a situation that i described does not mean that others haven't.

I have been in a situation due to my job where I was hit by young kids, I didn't assualt them though.

FTA69

When the kid is older he’ll be glad that someone taught him a valuable lesson not to be doing the fool and giving it the big bollix to strangers.

People here banging on about prosecution would want to get real, the lad got a small bit of a clatter and he deserved one if we’re being honest.

The driver will probably lose his job and maybe that’s fair enough, it wasn’t the most calm and professional of reactions but people saying he should be criminally prosecuted need to cop on.

Hitman3000

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

The fact is that sometimes violence (even against a child) is justified. You may not agree with this but it's a fact that many others will understand and agree with.

Violence against a child is never justified and to be honest I have nothing further to say to anyone that thinks it is.

Timberrrrrrrr

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Violence against a child is never justified and to be honest I have nothing further to say to anyone that thinks it is.

Off you trot then, you obviously want an echo chamber where everyone else is tut tutting along with you and agreeing with what you say.

iamwhoiam

MadDog76 wrote: »

If he were my son I would kick the bus driver to death.

And may I ask how you would discipline your son ?

NasserShammaz

If he looses his job Dublin Bus should snap him up

Timberrrrrrrr

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And may I ask how you would discipline your son ?

Probably get him a new playstation to help him get over the trauma.

MadDog76

PLL wrote: »

Edit: Also if the driver loses his job, it reinforces that the child can do whatever he wants and get away with it. Some of them will go on to provoke people for the craic, as a bit of power play.

The child will learn that it's not acceptable to violently assault someone half your size, especially in the workplace, and to do so will result in serious consequences...... a lesson a lot of adults on this thread should take note of before applauding the assault of a child by an adult.

Riesen_Meal

A belt never did us any harm growing up when we were out of line, in fairness it was usually my Mam with a wee smack to put me in line, and never much more...

I was physically abused as a child but that's another day's story that I won't go into here...

I was never usually a cheeky little git to the bus driver so never been in that position but he must have really wound the man up for him to retaliate like that, this being 2018 he will probably get sacked but I think a caution would be more fitting...

nullzero

MadDog76 wrote: »

The child will learn that it's not acceptable to violently assault someone half your size, especially in the workplace, and to do so will result in serious consequences...... a lesson a lot of adults on this thread should take note of before applauding the assault of a child by an adult.

You're espousing a non violent approach from the bus driver whilst also saying you'd kick him to death...

We all have to learn lessons whilst you continue on your trajectory of cognitive dissonance.

Ten of Swords

Posters saying their parents gave them a slap and it never did them any harm - were you ever physically 'disciplined' by a complete stranger in front of all your friends?

iamwhoiam

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Posters saying their parents gave them a slap and it never did them any harm - were you ever physically 'disciplined' by a complete stranger in front of all your friends?

I would know better than to run in front of a bus and give cheek to the driver .

On paper (or the internet these days), the driver was way out of line, but that’s not real life.

Guaranteed those lads were all showing off, darting across in front of buses on a daily basis.

Nobody else can do anything to stop or punish them, they won’t dare. People won’t do anything. What option do they have when it’s a bunch of cocky little ****s like that?

Discipline instilled in the family home and at school is a thing of the past.

He’s probably put up with it for ages close to schools, trying to ignore it and and reached a point where he had to do something before a kid ends up under his bus.

In the real world, he did everyone a favour by giving the little bastard a slap. WTF else do you suggest he should do? Give them a time-out on the naughty step? Call the police and expect the little bastards to wait?

Noveight

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Posters saying their parents gave them a slap and it never did them any harm - were you ever physically 'disciplined' by a complete stranger in front of all your friends?

No, because I never created a situation where that was necessary.

Probably because my parents had taught me, through disciplining which was on the rare occasion physical, not to act the little bollox in public.

MadDog76

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And may I ask how you would discipline your son ?

I use several tactics when disciplining my children depending on the circumstances...... using physical violence towards my children as a way of "teaching" them right from wrong has never even occurred to me.

Hitman3000

JayZeus wrote:

Guaranteed those lads were all showing off, darting across in front of buses on a daily basis.

You don't know

JayZeus wrote:

He’s probably put up with it for ages close to schools, trying to ignore it and and reached a point where he had to do something before a kid ends up under his bus.

Again you don't know

JayZeus wrote:

In the real world, he did everyone a favour by giving the little bastard a slap. WTF else do you suggest he should do? Give them a time-out on the naughty step? Call the police and expect the little bastards to wait?

Now they are b*stards. Classy.

twowheelsonly

FunLover18 wrote: »

It's sad how little understanding people have of what psychological effect physical abuse can have, especially on kids. "Sure it never did me any harm" isn't an excuse, people are different, they react differently to things.

Wasn't there a book written about something like this?

And 99% will react along the lines of "Whoops....I won't be doing that again..." Lesson learned.

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Love this chestnut, always repeated by those that think it's ok to assualt a child. 'Done me no harm' what utter bs.

It's far from BS. I'm not claiming that it's ok to slap a child but there are times when discipline is badly needed before it gets too late. "Done me no harm " either and I got a few slaps in my day but it wasn't the slap that kept me in line it was the fear of getting another one !!

On a broader scale the so called 'softly' approach has spread into society via the Section 4 Public Order act. When I was younger (mid 70's to 80s') a guard would give you a boot up the hole or a clip around the ear to sort out any small problems on the street. Between that and the fear that he'd 'bring us home' (where we'd get another clatter) it was enough to keep us in line. Nowadays the cop can't do that and has to put everything on paper, starting with Juvenile Liaison and, if they're older, going straight to court for what are minor misdemeanours. They're then 'in the system' and most of them very quickly lose all respect for Gardaí and the courts. The hands of the Gardaí are tied - they know the young fella needs a slap but can't do so for fear of being sacked or sued yet if they put it on paper they're over-reacting. It's ended up that the kids have all the power thanks to the PC and softly softly approach. That can't be right...

Ten of Swords

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Posters saying their parents gave them a slap and it never did them any harm - were you ever physically 'disciplined' by a complete stranger in front of all your friends?

Yes. By a truck driver after a group of us as 11-12 year olds waiting at the bus stop threw small milk cartons as he drove past. He managed to catch one of us by the straps on the schoolbag and wouldn’t let go until one of us kicked him in the shins. We had close calls with a van driver who gave chase another time and regularly taunted bus drivers. If any of them got a hold of us, it would have been well deserved. The last thing you’d do is give cheek back and if you did, you’d expect a smack on the back of your legs or a box in the ear.

Today, there are no consequences. None. Except for the poor fecker trying to drive a bus and not kill children with it.

2011abc

I've never hit my kids and would in general be against corporal punishment but I'd make an exception in this case ! Crazy that driver should loose job let alone be charged although disciplinary action of some sort would be justified . If there's an iota of decency in his parent/s this may have been the perfect reaction to the situation albeit risky , driver could have been stabbed . Hopefully boy and his parent/s will be shamed into copping on .Although likely they will sue and get a huge pay out .
To the 'won't somebody think of the children !?' Posse : the youth is rocking his head back and forward yelling 'hahaha' to the driver .Notable also that his peers including many girls are still laughing and squealing disrespectfully after he is hit .Those kids aren't in the slightest traumatised by this , not least because it was a slap not a blow ( flat hand clearly visible) .

MadDog76

nullzero wrote: »

You're espousing a non violent approach from the bus driver whilst also saying you'd kick him to death...

We all have to learn lessons whilst you continue on your trajectory of cognitive dissonance.

I have a vicious temper and am prone to violence which is something I've struggled with for my entire adult life and have thankfully managed to get under control for the most part in recent years...... but the thought of ever using violence against a child, or anyone vulnerable, never ever appeared on my radar.

If you're asking me to justify causing serious harm to an adult for assaulting one of my children, or any child for that matter, I don't feel the need..... and I make no apologies for that stance neither.