French bus driver slaps teenager for disrespect

robbiezero

vicwatson wrote: »

He’s an adult, the child is a Child, not a fair assault. Wonder would the driver have attempted that to a fully grown man? Driver is a bully and a coward

How do you know he is a coward. He may be quite brave. We don't know.

iamwhoiam

BBFAN wrote: »

You're now listing off the ways in which the child should be punished. What's that got to do with an assault.

Simple question.

They are two different issues . I am speaking about the child
The driver is a different issue . Regardless of what the driver did the child was also wrong in his behaviour

Hitman3000

Stephen15 wrote:

Yes that's true but everyone in this video looks they are either from North or sub Saharan Africa. Not suggesting it's a race crime at all. It just looks to me like more immigrants first, second or third generation it doesn't matter causing trouble on the continent. These migrants shouldn't be there in the first place.

Again what has this got to do with an adult assualt a child?

fleet_admiral

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If he were my son he would get another clatter from me .

If it was my son the driver would get a clatter and I would deal with my son my own way

demanufactured

All depends, the little bollox deserved it,
But it wasn't the bus drivers job, he should have just gotten on with his day.


That said....if probabaly have slapped the little bollox across the face too

nullzero

MadDog76 wrote: »

I have a vicious temper and am prone to violence which is something I've struggled with for my entire adult life and have thankfully managed to get under control for the most part in recent years...... but the thought of ever using violence against a child, or anyone vulnerable, never ever appeared on my radar.

If you're asking me to justify causing serious harm to an adult for assaulting one of my children, or any child for that matter, I don't feel the need..... and I make no apologies for that stance neither.

This is a self righteous attitude that in one breath see's you identifying a weakness in your character and then embracing it behind a facade of "if someone did something to my kids".

Here's the thing, the kid in question got a slap, he wasn't beaten violently, the driver shouldn't have done it and will deserve to be disciplined, but your attitude is OTT big man nonsense.

If you feel what you described is in any way justifiable then you have a bigger problem than you realise.

Gimme A Pound

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Ah the old saying "violence is never the answer"

Meanwhile in the real world, sometimes violence is the only answer.

Lets look the kid up in 10 years time and see is hiw he turned out :rolleyes:

You're not the only person to say this. He could turn out fine. A cheeky **** of a kid doesn't always become a scumbag. Plenty grow out of it and become embarrassed and contrite about the way they used to be.

Totally understand where the bus driver was coming from but he still shouldn't have done it, even though I've more sympathy for him than the kid.

vicwatson

robbiezero wrote: »

How do you know he is a coward. He may be quite brave. We don't know.

Any grown adult that slaps a 12 year old child in the face is a coward

vicwatson

Would the driver have slapped the child in the face if his mother and father were standing beside him, the answer is no, anyone that thinks yes then get out.

iamwhoiam

vicwatson wrote: »

Would the driver have slapped the child in the face if his mother and father were standing beside him, the answer is no, anyone that thinks yes then get out.

Well I should hope that if the childs parents were standing beside him he wouldn't have behaved so ?

vicwatson

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Well I should hope that if the childs parents were standing beside him he wouldn't have behaved so ?

Might still have but it’s still up to the parents to check the child and not for a randomer to come and assault the child

Timberrrrrrrr

vicwatson wrote: »

Any grown adult that slaps a 12 year old child in the face is a coward

Haven't seen any evidence yet that the biy.was only 12, anyone have a link to this? It's just he looks near enough the drivers size. Maybe the.driver is small?

Timberrrrrrrr

vicwatson wrote: »

Would the driver have slapped the child in the face if his mother and father were standing beside him, the answer is no, anyone that thinks yes then get out.

Would he have acted the maggot if they were there?

robbiezero

vicwatson wrote: »

Any grown adult that slaps a 12 year old child in the face is a coward

why?

Ten of Swords

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Haven't seen any evidence yet that the biy.was only 12, anyone have a link to this? It's just he looks near enough the drivers size. Maybe the.driver is small?

La Parisien and BBC both reported that the boy is 12 years old

http://m.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/arcueil-le-collegien-gifle-par-le-chauffeur-de-bus-donne-sa-version-des-faits-18-09-2018-7893768.php

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45586180

Infini

vicwatson wrote: »

Would the driver have slapped the child in the face if his mother and father were standing beside him, the answer is no, anyone that thinks yes then get out.

He wouldnt't have needed to as they'd probably disipline the little bollocks for being a stupid gobshíte unless they'd prefer the bus rammed up his arse instead.

rosmoke

The spoiled brat deserved it, same with many other monkeys around Tallaght.
It all has to do with their parents .. if you go to a Lidl or Aldi and you hear them talking only with 'feckin this feckin that' in front of their 10 year old kid what can you expect??
And this kind of behaviour that I'm witnessing it is way too popular, it really disappoints me and I would've expected more from its citizens .. at least in front of their kids.

Pero_Bueno

Love the fake crying after, and the faux screaming and outrage.
Sad that this man will be fired and the little scrote will probably get 100k + in compensation.

Pero_Bueno

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

the little scrote will probably get 100k + in compensation.

In France?!

Doubtful! The only type of damages that exist in the French system, are for actual damages. Punitive damages (those that are imposed to set an example, or to discourage certain behaviours) simply do not exist under the French system.

Pero_Bueno

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In France?!

Doubtful! The only type of damages that exist in the French system, are for actual damages. Punitive damages (those that are imposed to set an example, or to discourage certain behaviours) simply do not exist under the French system.

Great!

Pero_Bueno

Pero_Bueno wrote: »

Great!

Yeah it sounds wise in circumstances like this, but apply it to something like sexual violence or medical negligence, and the French attitude starts to get a little more ambiguous.

Someone like Vicky Phelan would be a very poor woman under the French legal system. We don't always do things so badly here!

Manic Moran

I am intruiged by some of the absolutes here, such as “corporal punishment is the answer” or “corporal punishment is never the answer”.

It is my humble opinion as a parent that there is a wide variety of disciplinary tools available to me to suit the wide variety of situations which may occur. I know I was on the receiving end of the wooden spoon and belt far more frequently than my 9-year old has received my hand (which is twice, thus far), so maybe I am a bit more judicious about it than my parents were, but I reserve the right to pull it out of the toolbox if I think it the most appropriate action to take, which both those times involved physical danger to her resulting from repeated actions and required immediate compliance without further escalation or argument.

She was sure as hell shocked, but the message was instantly received both times. There is no indication that she has been permanently scarred by the incidents and she remains one of the sweetest and kind-hearted little girls you’ll ever meet. (Then again, most dads would say that, right?)

TimeToShine

Although you should never technically hit a child I think most of us agree that this specific case, in which the lives of who knows how many people were endangered and the subsequent laughter and jeering from the group, the bus driver was justified in his actions. As (I hope) intelligent human beings we have a gift whereby we can actually analyze situations in context on a case by case basis before determining whether or not the action taken can be deemed acceptable. Blanket yes or no answers are utterly worthless, very few things if any are that black and white.

To sum up; was the bus driver wrong to hit the kid? Yes. Was he justified in doing so based on the video in question? In my view, absolutely. Will he lose his job and face disciplinary action? Almost definitely. Just because you're right doesn't mean the outcome will be fair.

Knex*

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yep, plenty of little scrotes running amok that could do with a slap, no matter the verdict here i bet that litle sh1t has learned some manners and will think teice next time.

Yes, that's exactly how it works. And the bus driver won't break the next time, he'll just run the kid over.

TimeToShine

TimeToShine wrote: »

Blanket yes or no answers are utterly worthless, very few things if any are that black and white.

grand so

TimeToShine wrote: »

To sum up; was the bus driver wrong to hit the kid? Yes.

ehhh

TimeToShine wrote: »

was he justified in doing so based on the video in question? In my view, absolutely.

ehhhhhh

Sam Quentin

Lots of kids deserve a good slap,.. but I don't think he did.
Anyway you just cant do things like that anymore.

chuck eastwood

chuck eastwood wrote: »

No brainer really. You can't slap a child even if he is a little twat.

12 months from now, maybe even 20 years from now, memories of that slap might save the life of that "little twat". If he doesn't get a good (harmless) fright up him today then next time he'll just walk out in front of any train, bus, taxi, etc and expect it's the other guy's problem he's in traction with a busted spine

ToddyDoody

Sometimes a good slap is just what the doctor ordered

Dubh Geannain

Manic Moran wrote: »

I am intruiged by some of the absolutes here, such as “corporal punishment is the answer” or “corporal punishment is never the answer”.

It is my humble opinion as a parent that there is a wide variety of disciplinary tools available to me to suit the wide variety of situations which may occur. I know I was on the receiving end of the wooden spoon and belt far more frequently than my 9-year old has received my hand (which is twice, thus far), so maybe I am a bit more judicious about it than my parents were, but I reserve the right to pull it out of the toolbox if I think it the most appropriate action to take, which both those times involved physical danger to her resulting from repeated actions and required immediate compliance without further escalation or argument.

She was sure as hell shocked, but the message was instantly received both times. There is no indication that she has been permanently scarred by the incidents and she remains one of the sweetest and kind-hearted little girls you’ll ever meet. (Then again, most dads would say that, right?)

This.

When disciplining children you use the least severe punishment necessary for the given situation. Disciplining kids is tricky and you have to establish rules, rewards and punishments to teach them boundaries.

If your toddler tries to pull a pot of boiling water down you say no. If they try and do it again, you re-iterate. Next you remove them from the scene. Talk to them about it later to explain why you had to take them out of the situation. If the scenario keeps getting repeated a thumb-cocked finger flick to the back of the hand the next time might deliver a sufficient shock that they won't do it again. They need to know when something is absolutely not a game. Better that than scalded.

The kid obviously let his parents down. The fact he was mocking the driver after nearly being killed showed he hadn't received enough of a shock to correct his behaviour in future. Conversing would have been futile given the egging on that goes with a group of teenagers. A short sharp slap looks to have delivered the message as you can see the kid froze to the spot. Lesson learned for him hopefully.

The driver obviously was wrong as its against the law and it was not his kid but he just might have done him a good turn for his life in future. Respect other road users, respect your elders, respect strangers and most importantly always treat strangers with a sense of unpredictability.

The driver broke the law though and will have to face the consequences unfortunately. Are the laws gone a little too far though?

CountingR

Manic Moran wrote: »

I am intruiged by some of the absolutes here, such as “corporal punishment is the answer” or “corporal punishment is never the answer”.

It is my humble opinion as a parent that there is a wide variety of disciplinary tools available to me to suit the wide variety of situations which may occur. I know I was on the receiving end of the wooden spoon and belt far more frequently than my 9-year old has received my hand (which is twice, thus far), so maybe I am a bit more judicious about it than my parents were, but I reserve the right to pull it out of the toolbox if I think it the most appropriate action to take, which both those times involved physical danger to her resulting from repeated actions and required immediate compliance without further escalation or argument.

She was sure as hell shocked, but the message was instantly received both times. There is no indication that she has been permanently scarred by the incidents and she remains one of the sweetest and kind-hearted little girls you’ll ever meet. (Then again, most dads would say that, right?)

Just wondering - you say that you ‘reserve the right’ to slap your child if you deem it necessary. I have a few questions/issues on that:

Firstly does your right to hit your child supercede your child’s right not to be hit? As an adult, we have a right not to be hit/assaulted and there is a system there for us to make a complaint and seek action if that does happen...

Secondly, do you believe all parents have a right to exercise their own judgement in when hitting a child is justified. Maybe you do it, when there is a physical danger to the child. Maybe that’s justified, maybe not. However maybe someone else deems cheekiness enough to warrant a smack. Is that right? And if so, where does society draw the line? If you can hit your child for what you deem a justified reason, and you can make that decision, then can I do the same? You see the problem here. This has to be black and white. Otherwise, children will end up as the losers in the whole thing (even if your approach to slapping or hitting is measured and reasonable in your own mind).

Finally, if laws around slapping a child are further tightened, would you forfeit your right? If you slapped your child in public now, you could be in some legal trouble - does your right outweigh the law?

Some honest questions really, I think what your saying can sound reasonable but is actually quite problematic

weldoninhio

Mack Round Nap wrote: »

Are you saying you wouldn't beep the horn at anyone causing a severe nusiance on the road. - Just ignore them and further empower them to do it again? What an idoitic concept.

The biggest 'negative reaction' of course would be to get out of your vechile and whack them. Ah but then the only problem is the huge social media (mixed) response, impending lawsuit, and job loss. Still such a great idea?

Someone causing a disturbance, yes.

Someone looking for a reaction, no.

vicwatson

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Would he have acted the maggot if they were there?

Might still have but it’s still up to the parents to check the child and not for a randomer to come and assault the child

robbiezero wrote: »

why?

Because the kid is 12 and the driver is a fully grown man, it's no contest, the driver is a coward, the kid is an easy target.

pickarooney

mad muffin wrote: »

I don’t condone hitting a child or anyone for that matter. But civil disobedience is at all time high, in western countries.

Do you even know what that term means?

Too often now teachers will tell you it’s not there place to teach respect to kids, and parents don’t have the time or inclination.

I was at a parent teacher meeting yesterday and it was literally the first lesson in the book, respect for other people and yourself.

iamwhoiam

pickarooney wrote: »

Do you even know what that term means?

I was at a parent teacher meeting yesterday and it was literally the first lesson in the book, respect for other people and yourself.

And in playschool they teach kindness to others and how to include others etc ,Even three year old can be guided gently to understand that

valoren

You can't go around slapping a teenager.....unless they run out in front of a bus causing it to brake very hard and when they give you lip by telling you to shut up and move on and then taunted and provoked into a reaction.

Far too often the instigator is not the focus of people's ire whereas the antagonist becomes the person initially provoked into reacting. The driver wouldn't have given him a clatter if he hadn't run in front of the bus almost getting himself killed and then had the cockiness to demand that the bus moves on.

Hitman3000

valoren wrote:

You can't go around slapping a teenager.....unless they run out in front of a bus causing it to brake very hard and when they give you lip by telling you to shut up and move on.

....even then you can't do it unless you want to jeopardize your livelihood and possibly face criminal prosecution.

lalababa

Shouldn't have slapped the individual. But was provoked by circumstances leading up to slap.
Outcome should be :A severe reprimand from the boss, an apology to the victim, and nothing else.
If the injured party or police want to bring a criminal or civil case so be it. Jury to aqquit in both cases as assault was extreamely minor and was provoked ( in a fashion)

pickarooney

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Yeah it sounds wise in circumstances like this, but apply it to something like sexual violence or medical negligence, and the French attitude starts to get a little more ambiguous.

Someone like Vicky Phelan would be a very poor woman under the French legal system. We don't always do things so badly here!

She wouldn't be terminally ill under the French medical system though, so swings and roundabouts

valoren

vicwatson wrote: »

What if the boys father is a big man and goes around and kicks the living sh out of the driver, would that be ok? That would be a fair fight no?

If he was going to call around to his house it should be to thank him for having the reflexes and was paying attention to avoid killing his idiot of a son.

The Rape of Lucretia

Genuinely surprised at the number of people who think violent assault, and abuse of a minor, by an adult, is OK.
Clearly we still have a lot of people in society whose violent tendencies are just about being kept in check by the law. Without the threat of prosecution and sanction, it looks like the world would be an even more violent place than it already is.
Shame on you all.

Irish Guitarist

He should have hit the boy even harder and knocked him unconscious, then dragged him in front of the bus and run over him while he was still being videoed. Then some rapper should have sampled the sound of his bones being crushed into a kind of percussive beat and made a hit song.

iamwhoiam

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Genuinely surprised at the number of people who think violent assault, and abuse of a minor, by an adult, is OK.
Clearly we still have a lot of people in society whose violent tendencies are just about being kept in check by the law. Without the threat of prosecution and sanction, it looks like the world would be an even more violent place than it already is.
Shame on you all.

And what did you think of the young lads behaviour ?

PlaneSpeeking

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Video going viral at the moment, reportedly filmed in Arcueil, Paris on September 13th

A 12 year old boy runs across the road forcing a bus driver to brake hard. When the bus driver beeps at him and tells him to pay attention the boy allegedly tells him to "shut up and move on". This is where the recording starts. The driver gets out of the bus, walks across the street and slaps the boy across the face.

Police are now involved and the RATP (bus company) have initiated disciplinary proceedings against the bus driver. His colleagues started a petition on social media asking for him not to be sacked, it has reached nearly 300,000 signatures with many people saying the boy deserved to be hit for being careless and disrespectful. RATP have said the bus driver admitted he reacted emotionally and regrets his actions.

Personally I think the bus drivers actions are disgraceful and he should never have hit a child for mouthing off to him, whatever you may think about the boy being rude it doesn't justify a slap in the face.

Do you think the boy got what he deserved and would you sign the petition to help the driver?

No, not nearly enough and Yes, in a heartbeat.

Danzy

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Video going viral at the moment, reportedly filmed in Arcueil, Paris on September 13th

A 12 year old boy runs across the road forcing a bus driver to brake hard. When the bus driver beeps at him and tells him to pay attention the boy allegedly tells him to "shut up and move on". This is where the recording starts. The driver gets out of the bus, walks across the street and slaps the boy across the face.

Police are now involved and the RATP (bus company) have initiated disciplinary proceedings against the bus driver. His colleagues started a petition on social media asking for him not to be sacked, it has reached nearly 300,000 signatures with many people saying the boy deserved to be hit for being careless and disrespectful. RATP have said the bus driver admitted he reacted emotionally and regrets his actions.

Personally I think the bus drivers actions are disgraceful and he should never have hit a child for mouthing off to him, whatever you may think about the boy being rude it doesn't justify a slap in the face.

Do you think the boy got what he deserved and would you sign the petition to help the driver?

The second mistake was to slap the teenager, the first was to slap the break.

The young fellow got off lightly and he should be very grateful he is not in a box, that he acted like such a shi7 after, shows what a wretch he must be.

He could also have caused an accident, bus swerve and hit a car, the group on the side of the street, he could have led to bodies on the street.

TheIrishGrover

Thread title is misleading: French bus driver slaps teenager for endangering bus driver, his passengers, other road users and himself and then verbally abuses bus driver.

Hitman3000

Danzy wrote:

He could also have caused an accident, bus swerve and hit a car, the group on the side of the street, he could have led to bodies on the street.

Could, but didn't happen . What did happen is a stupid kid ran out in front of a bus (which a manager of the transport company has said is a common occurrence in this area due to the presence a school) the driver hit the brakes exited the bus lost self control and assualted the kid.

Ten of Swords

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

No, not nearly enough and Yes, in a heartbeat.

Go on then!


https://www.mesopinions.com/petition/justice/contre-sanction-collegue-ratp-gifle-collegien/48863


AH never disappoints!

SCOOP 64

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Genuinely surprised at the number of people who think violent assault, and abuse of a minor, by an adult, is OK.
Clearly we still have a lot of people in society whose violent tendencies are just about being kept in check by the law. Without the threat of prosecution and sanction, it looks like the world would be an even more violent place than it already is.
Shame on you all.

I suppose its was abit harsh, the bus driver should have just got out and wag his finger at him saying you naughty boy that would have had the same impact.

per aspera ad astra

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Could, but didn't happen . What did happen is a stupid kid ran out in front of a bus (which a manager of the transport company has said is a common occurrence in this area due to the presence a school) the driver hit the brakes exited the bus lost self control and assualted the kid.

Round and round the argument goes –
Perspective is needed, for this slap on the nose.

Not from cruelty or from hate – doth this slap it cometh –
But concern for a child – whose body could have been destroyed by a multi-tonne moving lump of steel.

The bus driver is not a bad man.

Perspective is needed.

PlaneSpeeking

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Go on then!


https://www.mesopinions.com/petition/justice/contre-sanction-collegue-ratp-gifle-collegien/48863


AH never disappoints!

They say "Merci pour votre soutien !"

Think that's "ta bud!"