Travellers want a state apology

NasserShammaz

So does every victim of their violence , fraud , intimidation ...............
What a pile of horsesh#t.

Wibbs

BrokenArrows wrote: »

Well apparently a while back they were recognised as having a unique genetic history compared to the rest of the population and were recognised as an "ethnic minority".

Somewhat similar to the Roma gipsys are different genetically than to Romanians.

It was near total ballsology BA. As Nekarsulm said any "difference" was down to generations of intermarriage where certain standard "Irish/European" genes become more common in the group. You find these kinda markers in any somewhat culturally or geographically isolated group. A large chunk of men with Donegal heritage and often linked to their family name(O'Donnell being one) share a particular gene. This doesn't make them an "ethnic minority".

Wibbs

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

They're paid to "help victims". If travellers aren't victims, they don't get paid. It's not actually about improving their standing.

+1. Just another aspect of the Church of the Holy Victimhood all too common of late.

irishproduce

Can we all just agree that travellers are very undesirable but must be tolerated in the name of ... I don't know.
Criminality is rampant among the group, in fact, without travellers, it is very likely crime rates and fear would drop considerably. Of course we are not allowed to say they are all like that, and they probably aren't but still, undesirable and all that. Would you like them living next door to you?
Apology my hole

suicide_circus

the state could certainly do with apologising to a few groups in society. travellers are not one of those groups.

this is just another piece of victim olympics bandwagoning in which every misfortune which befalls a group is automatically the fault of the wider society.

Travellers, dry the crocodile tears, take some responsibility, get your own f*cking house in order and stop this campaign to emphasise your differences with the rest of the irish people. all you are archiving is further ostracisation and further state dependence.

irishproduce

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Admittedly, it has been a long time since I was resident in Ireland but I recall there being a lot of state support for travellers. Their experience is nothing like that of the native people's of pre-colonial Australia and New Zealand, never mind apartheid. Those comparisons are frankly disgusting and I would have expected better from the Irish Times.

While I would agree with you that comparing the struggles of genuine put upon, with the travellers is wrong, I'll just point out the article is written by a traveller and not the paper.

punisher5112

Will they ever go flock off.

State apology, when are they going to apologise for all the pain and suffering they have caused decent hard working people.

whiskeyman

Wait for it.....





Traveller-Gate!

Sleeper12

RobertKK wrote:

I read this Irish Times article and it is very one sided from a Traveller. Ok she speaks of hurt and discrimination suffered by Travellers, but not once deals with other real stuff like the criminality within the Traveller community. I never got an apology from the Travellers who tried to steal from me by being threatening and demanding money and when I said I would call the Guards if they didn’t leave me alone, I got told I should kill myself by hanging myself off a bridge. I had tried to be the good person to them originally and gave them work, in the article they talk about 82% unemployment. When there is a lack of trust it does lead to consequences. The settled community is not looking for Travellers to go uneducated, to get an inferior health service and there is a housing crisis so it is not like any section of society is getting preferential treatment.

Here's the thing, all traveller's have been discriminated against yet not all travellers are involved in crime, dole sponging etc

sexmag

whiskeyman wrote: »

Wait for it.....





Traveller-Gate!

Well they did steal mine so I guess it could be considered a traveller-gate now

Sephiroth_dude

They should be apologizing for all the scumbag behaviour and hassle they've caused people down through the years.

Floppybits

suicide_circus wrote: »

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Travellers, dry the crocodile tears, take some responsibility, get your own f*cking Caravan in order and stop this campaign to emphasise your differences with the rest of the irish people. all you are archiving is further ostracisation and further state dependence.

FYP

BrokenArrows

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Here's the thing, all traveller's have been discriminated against yet not all travellers are involved in crime, dole sponging etc

How about the government commission an actual report with some straight forward numbers reported.

1. How many people identify as traveler.
2. How many have a criminal conviction both adult and juvenile convictions should be recorded. This should be broken down into multiple categories by crime and age.
3. Length of time since last conviction (or release from prison) broken down by age.
4. How many are currently employed in tax paying jobs that are of working age 16-65) that are not in full time education.
5. Average number of years worked compared to age.
6. Average education reached.

I would suspect that criminal convictions would likely effect close to 100% of some form of conviction or another. To give this some comparison we would need numbers from non traveler society.

Rumors will always circulate about this but we have no numbers to go by.
If the traveler community say they are being discriminated against how about we get some actual statistics.

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

State, Why?

https://twitter.com/iamghlinks/status/1042426710606708737

jmayo

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Admittedly, it has been a long time since I was resident in Ireland but I recall there being a lot of state support for travellers. Their experience is nothing like that of the native people's of pre-colonial Australia and New Zealand, never mind apartheid. Those comparisons are frankly disgusting and I would have expected better from the Irish Times.

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Would she not be better off trying to stand up for traveller women than trying to win some sort of meaningless apology from the state?

Ok I want to know what you have done with ancapailldorcha. :eek:

The only hint of the old ancapailldorcha is that the poster expects something journalistically better and coherent from the Irish Times.

As for the apology request, well it shows how far sections of society have now gone up their own ar**. :rolleyes:

EDIT: can we also get the list of the current 6 morons/pi**takers that voted YES.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Can I get an official apology from the traveller group for a member of their community coming into my business and robbing the till and my handbag?
While they’re at it, maybe a reimbursement too.

Irish Guitarist

In one paragraph she complains about travellers poor health and further down the page she complains about them being checked for nits in school. Make up your mind, either you want someone to look after your health or you don't.

And what's this shite about them being over represented in prison? I (unfortunately) know a traveller who has been convicted of sexual assault on women numerous times but I think the longest sentence he's ever served is nine months. I guess even that is too much and he should just hurt whoever he wants. It's not like it's his fault or anything.

topper75

They are a strange kind in some respects.

I saw a video on French travellers there lately and was shocked to see such similarity in the MO.
Ditto a video on an outfit in the U.S. called Romanichal. They claim descent from English gypsies.
There are Scottish travellers too.
Not to talk of eastern European Roma.

By MO, I'm talking about a nomadic heritage, garish clothing, rejection of formal education, ostentation, strict old-fashioned pairing rituals but yet provocative dressing by single girls, superstitious religiosity, confinement of females to domestic duties and child-rearing, strong clan bonding, quick to anger, higher criminality than rest of population, absolute loyalty to own people ahead of any rules devised by outsiders.

Uncanny across such a geographic spread.

wexie

topper75 wrote: »

Uncanny across such a geographic spread.

They use Facebook and Whatsapp groups

The Bollocks

Travellers want a state apology



Travellers can ask my bollocks.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Here's your apology

JohnMc1

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

For one of the biggest groups of bullies I've had the misfortune to encounter, Travellers sure do love playing the victim.

This is why it will be very interesting if the Mosque in Kilkenny gets the go ahead. Not only is it across from Nowlan Park GAA grounds, across the street from O'Loughlin Gaels GAA club and St. Kieran's Cemetery but the down the road is a Traveller's halting site.

I said it will be interesting to see who's side the Gardai will be on if/when trouble between the two groups kick off.

Gravelly

JohnMc1 wrote: »

This is why it will be very interesting if the Mosque in Kilkenny gets the go ahead. Not only is it across from Nowlan Park GAA grounds, across the street from O'Loughlin Gaels GAA club and St. Kieran's Cemetery but the down the road is a Traveller's halting site.

I said it will be interesting to see who's side the Gardai will be on if/when trouble between the two groups kick off.

On the Hierarchy of Victimhood, brown always trumps white, so in a battle between travellers and muslims (assuming the travellers are all white and the muslims aren't) the muslims win. The travellers will learn a valuable lesson on how the left loves a victim until a bigger one comes along.

JohnMc1

Gravelly wrote: »

On the Hierarchy of Victimhood, brown always trumps white, so in a battle between travellers and muslims (assuming the travellers are all white and the muslims aren't) the muslims win. The travellers will learn a valuable lesson on how the left loves a victim until a bigger one comes along.

Definitely. The Muslims will trump the Travellers in the Victim Olympics hierarchy,but it will still be a laugh to watch the Gardai try and suddenly act hard with the Travellers.

This is a valuable lesson for anyone. The Left only loves you as a victim group until the next ones comes around and they can score more points and votes off them. Then you're discarded like yesterday's trash.

Irish Guitarist

In America there's a profit to be made from prisoners as they makes goods for massive corporations. In Ireland there's absolutely no reason to send anyone to prison unless they really need to be kept away from the rest of the population. Even then it's rare they actually go to prison. You hear about scumbags with 80 or 90 convictions getting away with murder here all the time.

I wonder has someone from Pavee Point watched some documentary about blacks in America getting tougher prison sentences and made the ridiculous comparison to the prison system here.

A few years ago there was a story about the traveller I mentioned earlier in the local paper. It was online but unfortunately it's been removed. It made an interesting read. His lawyer described this rapist as 'naive' and went on about his tough upbringing. He ended up with a sentence of five months then returned to the halting site by the river where he continued to sexually assault women going for a walk in the evening. This fucker is laughing at the legal system. 'Naive' my bollocks.

JohnMc1

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

In America there's a profit to be made from prisoners as they makes goods for massive corporations. In Ireland there's absolutely no reason to send anyone to prison unless they really need to be kept away from the rest of the population. Even then it's rare they actually go to prison. You hear about scumbags with 80 or 90 convictions getting away with murder here all the time.

I wonder has someone from Pavee Point watched some documentary about blacks in America getting tougher prison sentences and made the ridiculous comparison to the prison system here.

A few years ago there was a story about the traveller I mentioned earlier in the local paper. It was online but unfortunately it's been removed. It made an interesting read. His lawyer described this rapist as 'naive' and went on about his tough upbringing. He ended up with a sentence of five months then returned to the halting site by the river where he continued to sexually assault women going for a walk in the evening. This fucker is laughing at the legal system. 'Naive' my bollocks.

The Prison system can do with reform both here and in the US. We can't lock up people the least little thing like in the US, but you also can't let them off with a slap on the wrist for serious crimes like they tend to do here. Its the epitome of going from one extreme to the other. A balance needs to be found.

mcmoustache

piplip87 wrote: »

Why is it the left and the liberals stand up for those who agree with the right ?

Travellers are by definition deeply religious so abortion, gay marriage, women's rights to work and education are all big no no's to them.

Arranged marriage still exists, why instead of looking for apologies that are not needed they tackle the inequalities in their own society first.

It's a small minority of liberals in fairness. Just look at any traveller thread. There's a consensus, based on experience and statistics that traveller culture has major problems for the travellers themselves and particularly for the victims of their large criminal element. You'll only see two or three of the same posters defending them here so while those posters may be liberal, they're only a small minority of liberal people.

mookishboy

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Aweful sorry to hear Travellers make up 0.6 per cent of the population yet account for 10 per cent of the male prisoner population and 22 per cent of the female prison population.

And 25% of all children in care

SEPT 23 1989

any politician who dares issue an apology on my behalf to these people will never get a vote again

nullzero

Apologize for what?
We've been doin no harm to nobody so we haven't.

Calhoun

I don't think it would be prudent at this time for an apology, when not last week we had rural farmers and communities saying how venerable they are from them.

They can all F off with the changes they want to animal welfare and trespass laws.

blueser

jmayo wrote: »

Ok I want to know what you have done with ancapailldorcha. :eek:

The only hint of the old ancapailldorcha is that the poster expects something journalistically better and coherent from the Irish Times.

As for the apology request, well it shows how far sections of society have now gone up their own ar**. :rolleyes:

EDIT: can we also get the list of the current 6 morons/pi**takers that voted YES.

Up to 10 now.

punisher5112

Instead of blacklives matter it's now travellers lives matter....

Hash tag I couldn't give a fluck

Ahh travellers.. always think of this video...

Loves_lorries

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Admittedly, it has been a long time since I was resident in Ireland but I recall there being a lot of state support for travellers. Their experience is nothing like that of the native people's of pre-colonial Australia and New Zealand, never mind apartheid. Those comparisons are frankly disgusting and I would have expected better from the Irish Times.

It's exactly what I would expect from the Irish Times.

Loves_lorries

seamus wrote: »

Actually it is a little bit relevant.

It may not have been quite as severe as apartheid or what happened in Australia, but during the 50s and 60s there was an attempted "gentrification" of Travellers into Irish society.

Part of which involved the forced removal of children from their parents and suppression of traveller culture by forcing them into state housing.

There was also a systemic bias against travellers within state bodies.

Not exactly genocide, but something that should really be acknowledged by the modern state as a mistake. It certainly contributed to the creation of the mess we have today by distorting and damaging the flow of knowledge from one generation of travellers to the next.

However, this is tilting at windmills, IMHO. A state apology for a relatively short-lived and minor wrong fixes nothing. It won't help the integration of travellers into mainstream society, or even encourage it. If anything, it may embolden the resistance to it.

Blacksmith's and horse shoers were also forced to abandon their lifestyle.

It's called the reality and necessity of change, you seem to think travellers should have had there nomadic existence subsidised even further.

Loves_lorries

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I suspect that but in the meantime a member of the Women's Council of Ireland is cheerfully ignoring a suppression of the rights of traveller women and girls in an oppressive patriarchal culture right on her own doorstep. It begs the question of what is the point of the council if it is happy to ignore such abuses.

Travellers are a sacred cow of the PC Liberal left so rampant mysogony is ignored by otherwise hardcore feminists.

byhookorbycrook

Turnipman wrote: »

"Many Traveller children experienced physical violence and being ridiculed by being forced to have our hair checked for nits and then being showered."


So presumably, in Ms. McDonagh's opinion, the nits should have been allowed to remain where they were, free to increase and multiply at will, and to sleep in Garda stations whenever they felt the urge?

Jayzus, I'm in line for a fortune. The nit nurse was a regular feature of the primary school in the 70s. EVERYONE got checked and those who needed it got treated. My mother used to corner us all at least once a week and nearly rip the heads off of us with the nit comb for fear we would have the little buggers, for one, but more for fear of the nit nurse finding osmething!

Loves_lorries

piplip87 wrote: »

Why is it the left and the liberals stand up for those who agree with the right ?

Travellers are by definition deeply religious so abortion, gay marriage, women's rights to work and education are all big no no's to them.

Arranged marriage still exists, why instead of looking for apologies that are not needed they tackle the inequalities in their own society first.

The left hate the mainstream, travellers like Muslims are not mainstream.

Both are sacred cows of the left so the deep right wing culture is defended and blamed on the mainstream.

sexmag

Amazing

At least 11 travellers are on boards

padd b1975

They can go and fook themselves!

Fann Linn

padd b1975 wrote: »

They can go and fook themselves!

I think the poll results echo your views fairly resoundingly.

Eggs For Dinner

The number of anti-traveller threads on Boards is increasing week by week. I'm beginning to think the vast majority of Irish people have little or no sympathy for their predicament.

I am heartened by this positive development

salmocab

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

The number of anti-traveller threads on Boards is increasing week by week. I'm beginning to think the vast majority of Irish people have little or no sympathy for their predicament.

I am heartened by this positive development

What predicament?

JohnMc1

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

The number of anti-traveller threads on Boards is increasing week by week. I'm beginning to think the vast majority of Irish people have little or no sympathy for their predicament.

I am heartened by this positive development

I would feel bead for them if they were unfairly painted in a negative light. Unfortunately they earned that negative perception. They should be the ones apologizing. Until they're ready to take responsibility for their role in their negative perception they can do one.

All Seeing Eye

I work around the country a lot I could be in Kerry one week and Donegal the next. During the course of the job I would talk to a lot of farmers and i usually ask them what’s the area like, do you ever get any hassle etc. They all have the same stories about travellers. Most of them have had stuff robbed by the travellers or have had to run travellers off their land. They are basically the scourge of rural Ireland. They are constantly on the look out to rob portable machinery and tools that can be sold on quickly. Guards for the most part are useless in catching them. Travellers should be the ones apologising.

Niles Crane

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Aweful sorry to hear Travellers make up 0.6 per cent of the population yet account for 10 per cent of the male prisoner population and 22 per cent of the female prison population.

Racist.

freshpopcorn

Can we have another referendum on the 26th of October asking if the state should apologise to travellers? I'd love to see the result!

Wailin

F@#k em

All Seeing Eye

Niles Crane wrote: »

Racist.

How? They aren’t really a different race? Just inbreeding over the years has made them different.