Travellers want a state apology

wakka12

They should be writing a state apology, if anything, but in reality no entire group of people should unanimously apologise to another entire group because not everybody in either party is guilty or innocent or deserving of an apology or needs to apologise

FutureGuy

It should be the other way around. Criminal damage, robbery, failing to educate their children, child allowance fraud, social welfare fraud, animal cruelty.

It’s a fcuking joke at this stage.

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

They should be writing a state apology, if anything, but in reality no entire group of people should unanimously apologise to another entire group because not everybody in either party is guilty or innocent or deserving of an apology or needs to apologise

lol as If they could write boss

All Seeing Eye

Apologising is beyond them. They have no manners what so ever. Did you ever see them in a shop or takeaway. They never say thanks or please etc. Just throw the money at the person behind the counter while their kids rob the place aswell!

AllForIt

Can anyone be surprised that they are asking the government to give them something.

FutureGuy

FutureGuy wrote: »

It should be the other way around. Criminal damage, robbery, failing to educate their children, child allowance fraud, social welfare fraud, animal cruelty.

It’s a fcuking joke at this stage.

The cousins are also fond of compo, break a headlight after a collision or send their children running in front of cyclists to extort the system.

NasserShammaz

sexmag wrote: »

Amazing

At least 11 travellers are on boards

A football team but they only play away matches;)

CinemaGuy45

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Admittedly, it has been a long time since I was a resident in Ireland but I recall there being a lot of state support for travellers. Their experience is nothing like that of the native people's of pre-colonial Australia and New Zealand, never mind apartheid. Those comparisons are frankly disgusting and I would have expected better from the Irish Times.

What total tosh.:rolleyes:

What experience has lead you to expect better from the Irish Times?
I can only assume since you have been out of Ireland for so long you are unaware what a useless rag the Irish Times is.:D

khaldrogo

Agricola wrote:

A young traveller woman walks in, head to toe in ripped denim, and heads over to the brochures. She was a dead ringer for Vicky Pollard from Little Britain. The salesman leaps out from behind his desk like the Pope had just walked in to peruse the latest models. He wasn't half as interested in me 5 minutes beforehand! She asks him had he got the new model Land Cruiser to view, so he grabs a set of keys and escorts her outside to the forecourt! Another happy customer in the making!

I saw it myself some years ago when working in a Toyota dealership in Lucan. A young traveller fella comes in and has a look at a new avensis and then a new cruiser......asks the salesman how much for both, salesman gives him a price and he's says 'ill be back with cash for the both of them'......and come back he did.

All Seeing Eye

Just look up the 1963 Commission on Itinerancy. It was a good solution on how to sort out travellers. It should be used again to shape government policy on travellers.

All Seeing Eye

Does anyone know of a traveller that has actually done anything meaningful for this country? For example I’ve never heard of a traveller being involved in the struggle for Irish independence.

NasserShammaz

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Does anyone know of a traveller that has actually done anything meaningful for this country? For example I’ve never heard of a traveller being involved in the struggle for Irish independence.

Martin Collins continues the struggle by destroying the English language every day

touts

I once asked a member of the travelling community for an apology for his behaviour in our local village shop. I was told to **** off and had a stone thrown at my car as I drove off. I take it that's the traditional traveller way of apologising so if Pavee point want to call to see me I'll be happy to honour their traditions.

CinemaGuy45

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Does anyone know of a traveller that has actually done anything meaningful for this country?

This is meant to be a discussion board so why are you asking a rhetorical question?:D

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

BrokenArrows wrote: »

Somewhat similar to the Roma gipsys are different genetically than to Romanians.

Well, of course they are different. There isn't really any connection between Roma people and Romanians. I don't know why Irish people associate them.

corks finest

For what?

All Seeing Eye

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

This is meant to be a discussion board so why are you asking a rhetorical question?:D

An innocent question!

CinemaGuy45

I think this is two or three people with multiple accounts.
There is no way 12 out of less than 400 are that bat**** crazy.

Sleeper12

I followed this on my phone so only realized now on pc that it's a pole.

I don't think ALL travellers are bad, crooks, scumbags etc. I've met many in Dublin that hold down real 9 to 5 jobs & some better educated then me & some with 3rd level degrees. I have met some travelers that I do trust.

I'm really not sure what the government would be apologizing for though

Alrigghtythen

"Somewhat similar to the Roma gipsys are different genetically than to Romanians."




Aren't the Roma mainly from the northern Indian region, not Romania?

freshpopcorn

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I followed this on my phone so only realized now on pc that it's a pole.

I don't think ALL travellers are bad, crooks, scumbags etc. I've met many in Dublin that hold down real 9 to 5 jobs & some better educated then me & some with 3rd level degrees. I have met some travelers that I do trust.

I actually find there can be a rural/urban decide when it comes to travellers.
I often find some city people would be a lot more accepting of travellers more than people in rural towns/areas.

touts

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I actually find there can be a rural/urban decide when it comes to travellers.
I often find some city people would be a lot more accepting of travellers more than people in rural towns/areas.

That's because there are still some Guards in cities.

Traveller logic

'We chose ourselves to pursue a nomadic lifestyle under the misguided banner of 'culture and tradition' in which our kids education levels suffer on top of their personal hygiene, mental and physical well being, and thus levels of crime increase and our standard of society plummets dramatically ....but its the countrymans fault....and the gubberment.... feck personal responsibility'

:rolleyes:

Sleeper12

freshpopcorn wrote:

I actually find there can be a rural/urban decide when it comes to travellers. I often find some city people would be a lot more accepting of travellers more than people in rural towns/areas.

I have been thinking lately that maybe in Dublin the travellers are better behaved or at least some are. More settled maybe.

In nutgrove in Dublin there is one of the first travellers housing built. Built in the late 70s or early 80s. I remember other travellers pulled up in caravans about a mile away closer to Rathfarnham village. Around 1990 or so. Invited in by a developer looking for planning permission if memory serves.

Everyone wanted these new travellers moved including the settled travellers in nutgrove. They weren't angels themselves but they found that they newcomers were worse then themselves and were getting the settled travellers a worse name than they had.

I read here on boards.ie posters taring all travellers with the one brush. In Dublin I see both types. Good & bad. Though I might stick up for travellers I do know that there are scumbags too. I don't disbelieve the stories here on boards.ie as we see some of that in Dublin but there are also hard working travellers in Dublin and many country posters seem to have never seen an honest traveller.

Icsics

My experience of travellers is that they contribute nothing to society yet expect everything in return. They never work, are experts in exploiting the social welfare system & have too many children.

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

Ahh travellers.. always think of this video...

Fair play to the Belgian guy's education in English.

Like Sleeper12 I've bumped into a few Travellers that were OK, even sound. In every case but one they were either elderly folks, or "settled" Travellers. Those who took the offers of a leg up and ran with it and now their kids and grandkids are like anyone else. Two I knew went to university and have pretty good lives nowadays. If a non settled Traveller goes to Uni it makes the papers. I recall one lass last year who did. That she was able to in that environment says much for her strength of character and that of her parents. That she is such an outlier also speaks volumes of that "culture" and environment.

Of those settled folks I've talked with the strong impression given is that as families left the lifestyle it selected for the worst of those and the worst of the culture and what we have left...

Noveight

Put Nally in power Monday morning and it'd all be sorted by tea time.

AllForIt

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I actually find there can be a rural/urban decide when it comes to travellers.
I often find some city people would be a lot more accepting of travellers more than people in rural towns/areas.

I see travellers virtually every day here (country town) in comparison to when living in Dublin I didn't see any. If it's not that traveller group hanging around the high street it's the other traveller group or it's another group.

They hang around the shop fronts blocking doorways and especially the young male group that swagger around as if looking for trouble. I often I see the young male group conversing with retail shop staff which much be really annoying when one is trying to work.*

The point is I think they are more of a nuisance in small towns than they are in cities.


*I do actually feel sorry for young ppl hanging round town aimlessly with noting to do, what a pointless life.

KevRossi

Sleeper12 wrote: »

In nutgrove in Dublin there is one of the first travellers housing built. Built in the late 70s or early 80s. I remember other travellers pulled up in caravans about a mile away closer to Rathfarnham village. Around 1990 or so. Invited in by a developer looking for planning permission if memory serves.

They also burned down one of the houses after a death in it about 10 years ago. Had to be rebuilt, you can see it in the middle of this Streetview picture.

No idea what the story is about the house on the left.

MAJJ

KevRossi wrote: »

They also burned down one of the houses after a death in it about 10 years ago. Had to be rebuilt, you can see it in the middle of this Streetview picture.

No idea what the story is about the house on the left.

Still looks that way as of yesterday

Sleeper12

KevRossi wrote:

No idea what the story is about the house on the left.

That's been like that awhile now. You'd wonder what is going on with it

Kermit.de.frog

I want an apology.


No reason.


I just want one.

Nekarsulm

KevRossi wrote: »

They also burned down one of the houses after a death in it about 10 years ago. Had to be rebuilt, you can see it in the middle of this Streetview picture.

No idea what the story is about the house on the left.

Longford Co.Co. built a development of bungalows to house travellers about 20 years ago.
Across from where Aldi is, and every house was burned/looted.
Still sitting there now, an absolute eyesore.

Sleeper12

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

I want an apology.

OK I'm sorry.

Feelin better now are we?

Sleeper12

MAJJ wrote:

Still looks that way as of yesterday

Nutgrove way? Was that not called St Francis estate in the 80s or am I remembering wrong?

Sleeper12

Nekarsulm wrote:

Longford Co.Co. built a development of bungalows to house travellers about 20 years ago. Across from where Aldi is, and every house was burned/looted. Still sitting there now, an absolute eyesore.

I remember when the state started building the first houses for travellers in the 70s or 80s. Some didn't catch on to the fact that the house was theirs. Some stripped out the copper from their own homes.

JohnMc1

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Can we have another referendum on the 26th of October asking if the state should apologise to travellers? I'd love to see the result!

Maybe they can have Conor McGregor issue the apology if passed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Szj21arytU

JohnMc1

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I remember when the state started building the first houses for travellers in the 70s or 80s. Some didn't catch on to the fact that the house was theirs. Some stripped out the copper from their own homes.

They destroyed the ones next to the Cemetery my Dad is buried in [which is across the street from the proposed Mosque.] Windows permanently boarded up The Housing Estate Wall was knocked down [God only knows how they managed it]

All Seeing Eye

There is a halting site on the Headford road in Galway. It was abandoned the last time I was there years ago. I happened to be working on the road beside it so went in in for a look out of curiosity. The floor of toilet block was covered in dried turds so basically they were crapping on the floor. They need to apologise for that.

CinemaGuy45

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

There is a halting site on the Headford road in Galway. It was abandoned the last time I was there years ago. I happened to be working on the road beside it so went in in for a look out of curiosity. The floor of toilet block was covered in dried turds so basically they were crapping on the floor. They need to apologise for that.

Tut tut did you do DNA tests on all the dried turds?
Connor Jonney might have been crapping on the floor but maybe Mary did not.

Think of that next time before you decided to tar all of them with the one toilet brush.

All Seeing Eye

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Tut tut did you do DNA tests on all the dried turds?
Connor Jonney might have been crapping on the floor but maybe Mary did not.

Think of that next time before you decided to tar all of them with the one toilet brush.

Ethnic minority special inbred DNA

KevinCavan

Time for the government to pony up!

s7ryf3925pivug

Romanians called their country that to highlight associations with the Roman Empire. I understand they generally find it unfortunate that people in fact associate the name with Roma.

s7ryf3925pivug

They can have an apology instead of free houses and a general exemption from law enforcement.

Eamonn8448

yes the state owes alot of them an apology - sorry for ignoring you for so long we will send our revenue officials to you asap !

humberklog

I know the writer of that article well. Many years ago when her natural mother was dying in hospital I brought her to visit to say goodbye. Rosalean was badly mistreated her whole life by the majority of her family and grew up under the watchful care of a wonderful foster lady. Every service in the country bent over backwards to give Rosalean the best of what it could.

During the visit her family got wind she was visiting her mother and charged into the hospital with the intention of attacking Rosalean. Rosalean wasn't great at using her electric chair so to make an escape I threw her over my shoulder and ran through the corridors, down a flight of stairs and into reception where thankfully there was security and Gardai.

It's really galling to read that article knowing just how much good decent people did (and do) for Rosalean all through her life and the abysmal treatment and abuse she received from her own family and the broader travelling society.

And yet- it's the "settled" community that need to give the apology.

Nearly 30 years on from that incident in the hospital she's still never said Thanks.

Gimme A Pound

Crikey humberklog, that is disturbing.

This part "poor health status, high suicide rates and an over-representation in prison– a familiar truth to the Traveller community in Ireland" - it's incredible how these problems, which are clearly caused by lifestyle choices/environment, are blamed on the rest of society.

And why have traveller children been made to change out of their uniforms before leaving school? Why would a school enforce this? I'm inclined to believe it's because they don't want to be seen by members of their own community to be attending school.

What is wrong with diagnosing learning difficulties? Psychologists don't just pluck this out of the sky for the craic. There are traveller children who are at a disadvantage when they start school because they don't have basics taught to them for the first four or five years of their lives by their parents - such as counting, being read to, using colouring books and jigsaws etc.

The other grievances I understand (although travellers did not have a monopoly on this - plenty of poor settled children suffered institutional abuse too) but so much has been done by the state to rectify this.

Today, the prejudice is due to a disproportionate amount of crime, violence, intimidation, self entitlement and animal mistreatment endemic in traveller society. And the much too common marriage of children, the unsanitary conditions, lack of contraception use, shunning of education... are not the fault of settled society.

Gorgeousgeorge

No problem once i get an apology for robbing my power washer and mig welder

Wompa1

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

There is a halting site on the Headford road in Galway. It was abandoned the last time I was there years ago. I happened to be working on the road beside it so went in in for a look out of curiosity. The floor of toilet block was covered in dried turds so basically they were crapping on the floor. They need to apologise for that.

Better than that. Some rocked up and setup at a pitch and putt in Headford years ago. Found human sh1te in one of the holes. They outlasted the pitch and putt anyway!

Loves_lorries

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

The number of anti-traveller threads on Boards is increasing week by week. I'm beginning to think the vast majority of Irish people have little or no sympathy for their predicament.

I am heartened by this positive development

It's very heartening, it shows most people don't fall for the media spin.