No social welfare bonus this year

Gatling

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Most do. Not a few. Most as in the vast majority.

Google 80 percent of autistic people unemployed. You will find the same statistics not just Ireland and UK but worldwide.

Found a source on Google from a professor in Manchester university said it's not true ,
Others say 1 in 5 are unemployed .

So I'm not buying your claim don't say refer to Google , Google doesn't discuss

storker

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Bonus
noun
Definition ‘a sum of money added to a person's wages as a reward for good performance.’

Other definitions:

"something given or paid over and above what is due"

"something extra or additional given freely"

Sleeper12

Gatling wrote: »

Found a source on Google from a professor in Manchester university said it's not true ,
Others say 1 in 5 are unemployed .

So I'm not buying your claim don't say refer to Google , Google doesn't discuss

https://www.autism.org.uk/get-involved/media-centre/news/2016-10-27-employment-gap.aspx


https://blog.easterseals.com/unemployment-rates-for-adults-with-autism/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5870494/


https://www.ibtimes.com/despite-autism-awareness-growing-few-diagnosed-disorder-can-find-jobs-2354883


https://asiam.ie/autism-friendly-university/


http://www.autism-society.org/what-is/facts-and-statistics/


https://phys.org/news/2016-08-autism-silicon-valley-asset-social.html


https://guce.oath.com/collectConsent?brandType=eu&.done=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.co.uk%2Fentry%2F16-percent-of-people-with-autism-are-in-full-time-paid-work_uk_5811e71be4b0ccfc9561da6f%3Fguccounter%3D1%26guce_referrer_us%3DaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmllLw%26guce_referrer_cs%3D43IdO-XGOj6k1JN8VVh3gg&sessionId=3_cc-session_eccb951d-cadc-4f63-8c23-05cc703b5bd4&lang=en-gb&inline=false


http://www2.port.ac.uk/media/contacts-and-departments/psychology/ace/Barriers-to-employment.pdf

Jimmy.

Sleeper this isn’t a court case, ease back on the hard on for links.

Sleeper12

Jimmy. wrote:

Sleeper this isn’t a court case, ease back on the hard on for links.

I did ease back. That's not even 10 percent of what comes up on a simple Google search. Yet some people prefer to dig & dig to find false information about autism.

Autistic people actually have a much shorter lifespan than non autistic people. 16 years shorter life span in fact. The shorter life span is not due to austism itself but the anxiety, depression, social isolation and everything else that comes with it.

Naos

Zander Unimportant Minion wrote: »

Far from it. Ever hear of the multiplier effect in the economy?

No and I am open to hearing about how giving away money that is to be spent will result in a positive multiplier effect.

Ninthlife

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I did ease back. That's not even 10 percent of what comes up on a simple Google search. Yet some people prefer to dig & dig to find false information about autism.

Autistic people actually have a much shorter lifespan than non autistic people. 16 years shorter life span in fact. The shorter life span is not due to austism itself but the anxiety, depression, social isolation and everything else that comes with it.

Autistic or not there should be no 'christmas bonus' payment for those on long term unemployment benefit

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Naos wrote: »

No and I am open to hearing about how giving away money that is to be spent will result in a positive multiplier effect.

Giving money to individuals who will spend it creates more income for the economy. SW recipients are known to spend a higher % of their income directly in the local economy.

Even assuming they only spend 90% the multiplier will be

1/1-0.9
= 1/.1

= 10


which means that every €1 of new income generates €10 of extra income in the national economy.

It's a more efficient means of generating activity in the economy than capital expenditure or tax reductions.

I don't necessarily agree with the open ended 'bonus' but your point was flawed.

SCOOP 64

Dont know what the fuss is about,they will get the Christmas bonus anyway.

Sleeper12

Ninthlife wrote:

Autistic or not there should be no 'christmas bonus' payment for those on long term unemployment benefit

Then no one on welfare including OAPs should get it. No one on disability.

Don't forget most people on lone parents allowance don't work either so.

Personally I don't think anyone should get it but I don't understand singling out only one sector of the welfare system.

It's been announced that they are all going to get it regardless of what we think or say here. They will most likely get an increase in the budget too. Its ridiculous. We've one of the highest paid OAPS & unemployed in the EU if not the world. We have a massive national debt & we are still borrowing so it's getting bigger. The last few budgets have been dangerous. We were better when the troika were in town.

Smertrius

they cancelled our Christmas bonus for so many years. we just go Christmas bonus back recently and they cancelling it again . what the point giving us Christmas bonus if you go take it away from us again. We have families to buy presents to buy and we can't afford to buy our relations to buy presents this year. This is against spirit of Xmas

Jimmy.

Smertrius wrote: »

they cancelled our Christmas bonus for so many years. we just go Christmas bonus back recently and they cancelling it again . what the point giving us Christmas bonus if you go take it away from us again. We have families to buy presents to buy and we can't afford to buy our relations to buy presents this year. This is against spirit of Xmas

Perhaps get a job?

Fann Linn

Smertrius wrote: »

they cancelled our Christmas bonus for so many years. we just go Christmas bonus back recently and they cancelling it again . what the point giving us Christmas bonus if you go take it away from us again. We have families to buy presents to buy and we can't afford to buy our relations to buy presents this year. This is against spirit of Xmas

There are jobs out there to supplement your SW.

SCOOP 64

Smertrius wrote: »

they cancelled our Christmas bonus for so many years. we just go Christmas bonus back recently and they cancelling it again . what the point giving us Christmas bonus if you go take it away from us again. We have families to buy presents to buy and we can't afford to buy our relations to buy presents this year. This is against spirit of Xmas

Wind up

CinemaGuy45

Jimmy. wrote: »

Perhaps get a job?

What sort of answer is that?:mad:

You know most jobs expect people to get up out of bed and do some work most for 40 hours or even more.

We are heading into October and the telly will be getting good again you can't expect people to record all the shows they want to watch along with getting lunches ready.:rolleyes:

pjohnson

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

What sort of answer is that?:mad:

You know most jobs expect people to get up out of bed and do some work most for 40 hours or even more.

We are heading into October and the telly will be getting good again you can't expect people to record all the shows they want to watch along with getting lunches ready.:rolleyes:

I hope you are screaming this at your grandparents

Jimmy.

Isn’t it a good thing we are only on this planet for a certain length of time as it’s quiet depressing in one way this country is gone.

Smertrius

social welfare benefits covers those people too that are in wheelchairs and have dislocated limbs you asking those people to get jobs too

Fann Linn

Smertrius wrote: »

social welfare benefits covers those people too that are in wheelchairs and have dislocated limbs you asking those people to get jobs too

Plenty of people with disabilities work. My wife included.

Jimmy.

Smertrius wrote: »

social welfare benefits covers those people too that are in wheelchairs and have dislocated limbs you asking those people to get jobs too

People with such disabilities work, so yes they should work.

oceanman

you just got to love these threads....there priceless

CinemaGuy45

Smertrius wrote: »

social welfare benefits covers those people too that are in wheelchairs and have dislocated limbs you asking those people to get jobs too

There are people with

Brain Injuries
Autism Spectrum
Spinal Injuries
Deaf
Blind
Old people with a lot of health problems
Down syndrome
Incontinence
Missing limbs or fingers

Totally granted and accepted.
And to add many of the people on the above list do work which leaves no excuse for the next group.

There is also another group

The bone idol selfish lazy and this is the single largest group on welfare apart from the OAPs.
Anybody who IS ABLE to get a job should do so and you will find groups like those on the Autism Spectrum most do work.
No issue with people who can not work I take an issue with people who will not work big difference.

Sleeper12

CinemaGuy45 wrote:

The bone idol selfish lazy and this is the single largest group on welfare apart from the OAPs. Anybody who IS ABLE to get a job should do so and you will find groups like those on the Autism Spectrum most do work. No issue with people who can not work I take an issue with people who will not work big difference.

I'm sorry but 80 percent of autistic adults are unemployed. This is a worldwide statistic and not just Ireland. It's not that they don't want to work. There just isn't enough suitable jobs for them. The state pumps money into autistic kids and even their parents but once they hit 18 they get no help so most can't get a job

TheBoyConor

storker wrote:

As a taxpayer who helps pay for it, I don't really have a problem with the idea of a Christmas bonus. I think of it more as a government stimulus, because most of it ends up in the economy anyway. Its not as if even the real spongers (and I note how everyone in receipt of it seems to be lumped into the "sponger" pigeonhole) will use it carefully or hoard it. And if the real spongers do spend it on beer and fags, a large amount of that will go straight back into the state coffers anyway. Dole money doesn't just get sucked into a black hole; it circulates. And a good portion of it will find its way back to where it started, either in the form of VAT, or in the form of PAYE, PRSI and USC paid on the wages it helps to pay, and VAT on things that are bought by the people who receive those wages, etc...

That's true to an extent.
In that case we can only hope that the scummers spend it all on fags since the majority of their cost is taxes.
Even better, why not being in a special cigarette allowance. At least that way we guaranteed to get the best majority of the money back and the dole heads will be happy out. Steamed out of their heads 22 hours a day on tennents, fags and bath salts.

dxhound2005

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

There is also another group

The bone idol selfish lazy and this is the single largest group on welfare apart from the OAPs.
Anybody who IS ABLE to get a job should do so and you will find groups like those on the Autism Spectrum most do work.
No issue with people who can not work I take an issue with people who will not work big difference.

Those people do not sound as if they would be attractive for employers to take on. Better to get workers from abroad, who are more suitable. What sort of work do you think bone idle selfish lazy people would be good at?

CinemaGuy45

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Those people do not sound as if they would be attractive for employers to take on. Better to get workers from abroad, who are more suitable. What sort of work do you think bone idle selfish lazy people would be good at?

You got me there I honestly did not think of that.:o

Jimmy.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Those people do not sound as if they would be attractive for employers to take on. Better to get workers from abroad, who are more suitable. What sort of work do you think bone idle selfish lazy people would be good at?

Put them on commission, give them a Cheque for 36 cent after the week if that is all they earned. It’s time to wake up and address the pink elephant.

Smertrius

No Christmas bonus will be paid this year to pensioners and people on social welfare,

this spirit of xmas is the greatest unhappiness to others — that isn't the true meaning of Christmas

Jimmy.

Jesus wept.

Temptamperu

It says on the journal that some minister said there will be a welfare bonus after all.

http://www.thejournal.ie/christmas-bonus-3-4253114-Sep2018/

potatohouse

ah lads what are ye gonna do when the basic income comes in? machines are literally made to replace humans in production. this site has been on a constant downhill the last few years but this thread might actually be the end of the hill. im not even sure who's trolling or what anymore. absolute **** all wrong with being on the dole whatsoever, stop projecting your misery on to others just because you hate your pointless job

Clonmel1000

Smertrius wrote: »

No Christmas bonus will be paid this year to pensioners and people on social welfare,

this spirit of xmas is the greatest unhappiness to others — that isn't the true meaning of Christmas

Source?

DChancer

If its true I'm delighted.
Nobody on SW should be getting or expect to get a free"Bonus" at Christmas, they are very well looked after already, in fact in many cases too well looked after.

Hitman3000

DChancer wrote:

If its true I'm delighted. Nobody on SW should be getting or expect to get a free"Bonus" at Christmas, they are very well looked after already, in fact in many cases too well looked after.

No it's not true, so you can proceed to moan again.

myshirt

DChancer wrote: »

If its true I'm delighted.
Nobody on SW should be getting or expect to get a free"Bonus" at Christmas, they are very well looked after already, in fact in many cases too well looked after.

Let them eat cake.

_Brian

No doubt there will be a bonus and no doubt there will be an increase to the SW base in the budget, €5 I’d expect.

The professionally unemployed combined with the grey vote are now a powerful voting block and with loose media and social media they have considerable clout with the likes of Richie Barret encouraging them that they are entitled to everything free and they should be out demanding it.

Loves_lorries

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I also disagree for scrapping it for elderly pensioners. Someone in their 80's on just the state pension has no opportunity to gain a little extra cash to help out at Xmas.

Many of us working now will be in the same position in years to come.

Pensioners are grand and don't need any more, any group which has politicians chasing them is doing fine.

dxhound2005

potatohouse wrote: »

ah lads what are ye gonna do when the basic income comes in? machines are literally made to replace humans in production. this site has been on a constant downhill the last few years but this thread might actually be the end of the hill. im not even sure who's trolling or what anymore. absolute **** all wrong with being on the dole whatsoever, stop projecting your misery on to others just because you hate your pointless job

This site has been the same since it started. And every year someone comes along to say it is going downhill. Some original input needed.

Renegade Mechanic

potatohouse wrote: »

ah lads what are ye gonna do when the basic income comes in? machines are literally made to replace humans in production. this site has been on a constant downhill the last few years but this thread might actually be the end of the hill. im not even sure who's trolling or what anymore. absolute **** all wrong with being on the dole whatsoever, stop projecting your misery on to others just because you hate your pointless job

I can promise you basic income won't be spread out across billions of people. Who's gonna pay? Machines don't spend six grand tax on a new car, then pay 90 cent tax on every liter of fuel they put into it after. We do, but cars will probably be outlawed by then anyway :rolleyes:
Machines don't eat cornflakes that they paid VAT on. Now, we do, but what's the point in giving us money once we're all on the scratcher just to give back to you? Why not instead just giving us less? Nobody's going to pay for something that they've replace, that in their eyes doesn't need to exist any more. A fair few of us useless meatbags will be getting the chop I'm afraid.

On the plus side, man made climate change will be sorted, assuming the dimming effect we were having wasn't too important!

xzanti

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I also disagree for scrapping it for elderly pensioners. Someone in their 80's on just the state pension has no opportunity to gain a little extra cash to help out at Xmas.

Many of us working now will be in the same position in years to come.

They should reinstate it for pensioners and people on disability. IMHO.

Hitman3000

Guys do any of you actually follow the news ? It has already been confirmed by government ministers that the bonus will be paid, they just haven't confirmed what percentage of one's weekly payment it will be.

PlaneSpeeking

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Pensioners are grand and don't need any more, any group which has politicians chasing them is doing fine.

What a ridiculously dumb pathetic point.

super_furry

I’ve been fortunate enough in my life to have never been in a position to have to claim social welfare, outside of children’s allowance.

I’ve also been fortunate enough to have never been in a position where I had to decide could I afford to have a Christmas dinner or to buy some gifts for my loved ones.

I can’t imagine how tough it would be to be in that position and I’m proud that as a society we endeavour to try and help people who might be and to ensure that they can have a Christmas too.

The Christmas payment should remain, it looks like it is going to and that's another little reason to be proud of this country.

Loves_lorries

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

What a ridiculously dumb pathetic point.

What's dumb is unthinkingly believing that pensioners are struggling.

Hotblack Desiato

dxhound2005 wrote: »

What sort of work do you think bone idle selfish lazy people would be good at?

Ticket office at Pearse Station, if you interrupt their ball-scratching to ask a question they look at you like you have two heads

DChancer

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

What a ridiculously dumb pathetic point.

Very Honest point actually.

Loves_lorries

DChancer wrote: »

Very Honest point actually.

More like reactionary populism.

Raising the state pension is not only unnecessary, such is the future pension crisis facing the country, the state pension should be frozen indefinitely.

You only have to look and see what major politician ( willie o dea) is most vociferously demanding more and more spending on the elderly, to know its the lowest, cheapest and easiest form of electioneering.

O dea is the biggest self serving hack to be elected to office in my memory.

suicide_circus

as long as those who work get the equivalent tax relief in December, I don't see the problem with it.

sbsquarepants

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Pensioners are grand and don't need any more, any group which has politicians chasing them is doing fine.

Depends on the pensioner surely, it's not like all pensioners are created equally!

Civil servant gold plated pensioner is probably doing just fine.

State OAP probably not so much.

weldoninhio

Smertrius wrote: »

they cancelled our Christmas bonus for so many years. we just go Christmas bonus back recently and they cancelling it again . what the point giving us Christmas bonus if you go take it away from us again. We have families to buy presents to buy and we can't afford to buy our relations to buy presents this year. This is against spirit of Xmas

Yes, when little baby Jebus was born he said go forth and spend money you don't have on crap you don't need, while sitting on your arse doing nothing for the rest of the year.