No social welfare bonus this year

Odhinn

mordeith wrote: »

Haven't read the whole thread but surely the sensible thing is to ban Christmas there eliminating the need for a bonus.

Are you mad? Sure isn't the whole point of christmas the hate and begrudgery towards others.

Hitman3000

Sardonicat wrote:

I am a full time carer to a man with dementia. How many times did you have to get out of bed last night and guide a confused and agitated adult back to bed? How often do you have to try and settle an adult at 3 am who has urinated on the floor and then stripped all the bedding off his bed to mop it up? I will NOT start defending my €204 a week to you are anyone else, especially when you can't acknowledge your mistake but try to make me feel like crap because apparently I don't "work" and you feel justified in taking the moral high ground because you pay paye.

You have nothing to defend , you save the state a fortune yet some are too stupid to realise this.
I cannot imagine how tough life is on you, the person you care for is lucky someone loves them enough to care for their every need. Pardon my language but f**k the begrudgers. Take care of yourself .

iamwhoiam

Sardonicat wrote: »

I am a full time carer to a man with dementia. How many times did you have to get out of bed last night and guide a confused and agitated adult back to bed? How often do you have to try and settle an adult at 3 am who has urinated on the floor and then stripped all the bedding off his bed to mop it up?
I will NOT start defending my €204 a week to you are anyone else, especially when you can't acknowledge your mistake but try to make me feel like crap because apparently I don't "work" and you feel justified in taking the moral high ground because you pay paye.

I've worked and contributed. I also paid for my own degree and masters without any form of government assistance while funding the education of others. So you can just fug right off!

Don't feel anger toward fools its not worth it . You don't have to justify yourself to anyone . I hope you get respite occasionally and some kindness from others

weldoninhio

cameramonkey wrote: »

There are plenty of people on the dole who would never be offered a job by any employer because they just don't have the capacity to either get or keep a job, that is just the truth.

We can either keep them on a modest dole with a small Christmas bonus or just throw them under the bus.

A few extra quid gets spent generally in the local economy and benefits wider society. It not like it gets squirreled away in some off shore account.

Attacking people down on their luck and at the bottom of the heap is really a bit sad.

Or have them do something locally to earn their keep. Cleaning litter, removing graffiti, maintaining the estates they live on etc. Things that local councils don’t have the resources to do. Have their payment linked to this. Say from 8am to 1pm three days a week.

Would see a massive improvement in some estates, would give people pride in their surroundings and would perhaps make them pass on that pride to their kids instead of letting them run feral about the place if they had to clean up after them.

weldoninhio

BBFAN wrote: »

You see there's a huge hole in your theory here.

I've been unemployed for periods and applied for low paid jobs, won't even get an interview if people think you're over qualified, too old etc. etc.

I'm working again now in an office but would love to work in a local shop for minimum pay, less stress, more sociable. You just won't get those types of jobs after a certain age and with qualifications.

Or you could do what smart people do, and alter your CV to the role you are applying for. It’s not rocket science.

Hitman3000

Jimmy. wrote:

They transfer the money, they don’t take a flight and have to carry the cash with them. Wake up here

Unless they can levitate they need to make there way to a port or airport at cost to themselves thereby giving the state tax. We are an island genius it costs money to get to foreign lands. It costs money. Wide awake, but you need to cop on with the bs.

Jimmy.

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Unless they can levitate they need to make there way to a port or airport at cost to themselves thereby giving the state tax. We are an island genius it costs money to get to foreign lands. It costs money. Wide awake, but you need to cop on with the bs.

How much does a bank transfer of say €100 to a polish bank account cost wise guy?

SCOOP 64

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or have them do something locally to earn their keep. Cleaning litter, removing graffiti, maintaining the estates they live on etc. Things that local councils don’t have the resources to do. Have their payment linked to this. Say from 8am to 1pm three days a week.

Would see a massive improvement in some estates, would give people pride in their surroundings and would perhaps make them pass on that pride to their kids instead of letting them run feral about the place if they had to clean up after them.

Something like a CE Scheme?

Hitman3000

Jimmy. wrote:

How much does a bank transfer of say €100 to a polish bank account cost wise guy?

You're the wise guy that claims they take the money with them. I'm not indulging your nonsense further . I'm annoyed I let it go this far.

Odhinn

Jimmy. wrote: »

How much does a bank transfer of say €100 to a polish bank account cost wise guy?

So these poles, they don't celebrate christmas? Or eat, buy clothes, buy presents.......

weldoninhio

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Unless they can levitate they need to make there way to a port or airport at cost to themselves thereby giving the state tax. We are an island genius it costs money to get to foreign lands. It costs money. Wide awake, but you need to cop on with the bs.

Why would someone need to go to the port or airport to do an international bank transfer??

Hitman3000

SCOOP 64 wrote:

Something like a CE Scheme?

Or Tuas Nua, several on the scheme where I live.

weldoninhio

Yes, but mandatory and consistently ongoing after x amount of time (say 1 year) on the dole and with deductions to your payments if you don’t turn up, don’t work or are consistently late/leaving early.

Jimmy.

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You're the wise guy that claims they take the money with them. I'm not indulging your nonsense further . I'm annoyed I let it go this far.

Your posts have been making no sense. Barging in with waffle hit man hit failure.

Hitman3000

weldoninhio wrote:

Why would someone need to go to the port or airport to do an international bank transfer??

I suggest you read post #243. My replies were in response to that nonsense. If you want to carry their nonsense on be my guest but I'm not replying.

cameramonkey

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or have them do something locally to earn their keep. Cleaning litter, removing graffiti, maintaining the estates they live on etc. Things that local councils don’t have the resources to do. Have their payment linked to this. Say from 8am to 1pm three days a week.

Would see a massive improvement in some estates, would give people pride in their surroundings and would perhaps make them pass on that pride to their kids instead of letting them run feral about the place if they had to clean up after them.

In an idea world yes but we are not living in one.


Who would organize these work gangs that you propose?

Where would the money come from to get equipment for these gangs if the council have none?

Who would give them their health and safety training and how much would it cost?

Who would organize their schedules and who would be there to make sure they put in the hours and do their job properly.


I think you make the mistake of thinking that the government cares about the places that are socially deprived in Ireland or as you call them "estates".
I was in the past on social welfare and its not nice. I would hate to be depending on the likes of Leo Varadkar to look after me if I was on welfare because he does not know or care about people who are in the unlucky position of depending on the government for a helping hand.

BBFAN

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or you could do what smart people do, and alter your CV to the role you are applying for. It’s not rocket science.

Okay genius, how do you alter 20 years experience? Pretend you were working in shops and restaurants or say you were unemployed?

iamwhoiam

Jimmy. wrote: »

Your posts have been making no sense. Barging in with waffle hit man hit failure.

Can I ask you how you know what people ( foreign or not ) do with their bonus ? Is there a website that tells you what each individual does with their bonus ? Or have you simply passed your speculation as fact ? I don't remember being asked what I do with mine at any stage nor does my " foreign " friend . I could fill you in if I wished but I don't care to

weldoninhio

BBFAN wrote: »

Okay genius, how do you alter 20 years experience? Pretend you were working in shops and restaurants or say you were unemployed?

It’s really not that difficult. If you can’t figure it out maybe working in a minimum wage retail job is too much of a reach for you.

Jimmy.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Can I ask you how you know what people ( foreign or not ) do with their bonus ? Is there a website that tells you what each individual does with their bonus ? Or have you simply passed your speculation as fact ? I don't remember being asked what I do with mine at any stage nor does my " foreign " friend . I could fill you in if I wished but I don't care to

They were last employees, they told me themselves. They were living on cents here and sending it back home. Is everyone very naive here all of a sudden or have we hit a nerve.

noodler

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I also disagree for scrapping it for elderly pensioners. Someone in their 80's on just the state pension has no opportunity to gain a little extra cash to help out at Xmas.

Many of us working now will be in the same position in years to come.

There are 700000 recipients of the state pension (ish).

How many of them fall under the category you've outlined above?

iamwhoiam

Jimmy. wrote: »

They were last employees, they told me themselves. They were living on cents here and sending it back home. Is everyone very naive here all of a sudden or have we hit a nerve.

Ah right so not " every " foreign person then

BBFAN

weldoninhio wrote: »

It’s really not that difficult. If you can’t figure it out maybe working in a minimum wage retail job is too much of a reach for you.

Lovely yeah, I currently earn at least 3 times that thank you for your concern all the same.

Jimmy.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Ah right so not " every " foreign person then

Where have I said ‘every’ foreign person?

BBFAN

weldoninhio wrote: »

It’s really not that difficult. If you can’t figure it out maybe working in a minimum wage retail job is too much of a reach for you.

Why do you feel the need to insult randomers on the internet btw?

noodler

BBFAN wrote: »

Lovely yeah, I currently earn at least 3 times that thank you for your concern all the same.

Wow.

How do you feel so slighted to tell the Internet your salary

Kivaro

Sardonicat wrote: »

I am a full time carer to a man with dementia. How many times did you have to get out of bed last night and guide a confused and agitated adult back to bed? How often do you have to try and settle an adult at 3 am who has urinated on the floor and then stripped all the bedding off his bed to mop it up?
I will NOT start defending my €204 a week to you are anyone else, especially when you can't acknowledge your mistake but try to make me feel like crap because apparently I don't "work" and you feel justified in taking the moral high ground because you pay paye.

I've worked and contributed. I also paid for my own degree and masters without any form of government assistance while funding the education of others. So you can just fug right off!

Notwithstanding my own experiences of being a carer at one point in my life, I mentioned it elsewhere a number of times that carers are undervalued and under-payed. One suggestion that I had was that for any money saved in getting people off the dole and for other social welfare savings; that money should be allocated to carers.

But what's with the mocking of Irish tax payers? I don't understand it. You cannot say that it was just sarcasm; it's something more than that.

Sardonicat wrote: »

That's it Odhinn. Let it out. Let it all out. Feeling better yet? Now hand over your tax. Come on now. Give it to me. Thaaat's right.


Mwhahahahahaha

And another one:

Sardonicat wrote: »

We should start a thread detailing what we intend to squander it on. It would be somewhere for the "hardworking Irish taxpayer" to come and get riled up and hence vent their spleen. An act of catharsis for the greater psychological good.

iamwhoiam

Jimmy. wrote: »

Where have I said ‘every’ foreign person?

Jimmy. wrote: »

The foreigners take the bonus back to their own country, they don’t put a cent into the economy.

Well I don't see " some " in this post

Jimmy.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Well I don't see " some " in this post

I don’t see ‘every’. Stop saying something I am not.

iamwhoiam

Jimmy. wrote: »

I don’t see ‘every’. Stop saying something I am not.

If you use " the foreigners " in a sentance it usually wouldn't be interpreted as " the few I know "

But whatever

Odhinn

Jimmy. wrote: »

They were last employees, they told me themselves. They were living on cents here and sending it back home..........

You think we're a soft touch and they're laughing at us?

Doctors room ghost

Odhinn wrote: »

You think we're a soft touch and they're laughing at us?

Wouldn’t bother me one though what people do with their money once they worked for it and earned it. If they were employees weren’t they working and earning their keep?same for carers people on disability pensioners and people under 6 months on the dole as I said in earlier posts.
It’s the long term leeches I have a problem with

Idbatterim

Ive just jumped from the first page to here, but this christmas bonus, gives out the wrong message and is beyond a joke. There are endless areas that require the money far more and the fact low earners are being taxed HALF F**CKING HALF their income over E34,800 is scandalous! E600 DCC Christmas trees, 500,000 each for a new 60 apartment social housing redevelopment scheme in Dublin.

This agreement with FF is now beyond a joke, 2/3 spending, 1/3 tax decrease. Thee budgets these departments have is outrageous and its the f**cking appalling procurement processes and value for money they get that is issue number one. If all the tax is going to be pissed up against a wall, stuff your "improved services" LOL!

USC should be abolished, as was planned. If huge sums of money gets wasted or goes to those not paying into the pot and who never have, enough is enough. They talk about the redistribution of wealth, redistributed from the working have nots, to the workshy have nots and one percent up the top!

Sardonicat

Kivaro wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

I am a full time carer to a man with dementia. How many times did you have to get out of bed last night and guide a confused and agitated adult back to bed? How often do you have to try and settle an adult at 3 am who has urinated on the floor and then stripped all the bedding off his bed to mop it up?
I will NOT start defending my €204 a week to you are anyone else, especially when you can't acknowledge your mistake but try to make me feel like crap because apparently I don't "work" and you feel justified in taking the moral high ground because you pay paye.

I've worked and contributed. I also paid for my own degree and masters without any form of government assistance while funding the education of others. So you can just fug right off!

Notwithstanding my own experiences of being a carer at one point in my life, I mentioned it elsewhere a number of times that carers are undervalued and under-payed. One suggestion that I had was that for any money saved in getting people off the dole and for other social welfare savings; that money should be allocated to carers.

But what's with the mocking of Irish tax payers? I don't understand it. You cannot say that it was just sarcasm; it's something more than that.

Sardonicat wrote: »

That's it Odhinn. Let it out. Let it all out. Feeling better yet? Now hand over your tax. Come on now. Give it to me. Thaaat's right.


Mwhahahahahaha

And another one:

Sardonicat wrote: »

We should start a thread detailing what we intend to squander it on. It would be somewhere for the "hardworking Irish taxpayer" to come and get riled up and hence vent their spleen. An act of catharsis for the greater psychological good.

The first quote is me responding in jest to odhinn who had responded in jest to my being a carer. You see, I can tell the difference between mocking and jest and so can Odhinn.

The second post was in response to iamwhoiam with his joke #@hatemetoo.

I find joking helps ease the tension and downright depression that these welfare bashing threads induce.

Why would I mock taxpayers when I have paid plenty of tax myself and hopefully will be one again?

Lastly, how can you have the utter gall to sanctimoniously question me about wage stoppages if you have been a carer yourself? Seriously?

Oh, BTW I don't want more money or even a fecking Xmas bonus. I'd much rather that money was spent on improving services like at home respite. But that's not going to happen is it? I'll get my bonus and my respite grant which I can't use cos he won't go and ignorant people looking for someone to blame will continue to gripe and I'll still be stuck here watching my life slide by.

Kivaro

Sardonicat wrote: »

Lastly, how can you have the utter gall to sanctimoniously question me about wage stoppages if you have been a carer yourself? Seriously?

Do you expect everyone to know that you are a carer? Or to read every post of a sizeable thread beforehand.
I saw you making snide remarks about tax payers. But you say it was jest. Grand.

Sardonicat wrote: »

Oh, BTW I don't want more money or even a fecking Xmas bonus. I'd much rather that money was spent on improving services like at home respite.

Totally agree with you. We could only get 1 hour per week for home respite. It was useless to us.

You call threads like these as welfare bashing.
I would say that 99.99% of posters who comment negatively on social welfare threads have a certain type of welfare recipient in mind. And that's the man/woman who can work but won't, and treats social welfare as a lifestyle.
I can assure you that we are not talking about carers, people on disability, pensioners, and other deserving members of our community.

But you have posters who are fully aware of this, but they still mock, deride, and ridicule the people who are paying into the system that allows the welfare system to exist in the first place.

cameramonkey

Kivaro wrote: »

Do you expect everyone to know that you are a carer? Or to read every post of a sizeable thread beforehand.
I saw you making snide remarks about tax payers. But you say it was jest. Grand.


Totally agree with you. We could only get 1 hour per week for home respite. It was useless to us.

You call threads like these as welfare bashing.
I would say that 99.99% of posters who comment negatively on social welfare threads have a certain type of welfare recipient in mind. And that's the man/woman who can work but won't, and treats social welfare as a lifestyle.
I can assure you that we are not talking about carers, people on disability, pensioners, and other deserving members of our community.

But you have posters who are fully aware of this, but they still mock, deride, and ridicule the people who are paying into the system that allows the welfare system to exist in the first place.

We don't judge you, don't fret.

Hotblack Desiato

cameramonkey wrote: »

We can either keep them on a modest dole with a small Christmas bonus or just throw them under the bus.

Is this going to a vote?

Foxhound38

I'm usually in the camp that we should be harder on people who use the dole as a lifestyle choice, but I've never really had a problem with the Christmas bonus to be honest. Tis the season and all that - anyway, it's good for retailers.

Doctors room ghost

Foxhound38 wrote: »

I'm usually in the camp that we should be harder on people who use the dole as a lifestyle choice, but I've never really had a problem with the Christmas bonus to be honest. Tis the season and all that - anyway, it's good for retailers.

Have you any pups

cameramonkey

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Is this going to a vote?

We get a vote , no party has proposed harsh cuts to social welfare lately so I suppose they dont see any votes to by gained by following that line, much as many in FG would love to slash and burn in SW land.

Smertrius

Stephen Hawking isn't Irish and he earns too much money so he cant get social welfare because he earns too much money for social welfare to work and he died last march

noodler

Idbatterim wrote: »

Ive just jumped from the first page to here, but this christmas bonus, gives out the wrong message and is beyond a joke. There are endless areas that require the money far more and the fact low earners are being taxed HALF F**CKING HALF their income over E34,800 is scandalous! E600 DCC Christmas trees, 500,000 each for a new 60 apartment social housing redevelopment scheme in Dublin.

This agreement with FF is now beyond a joke, 2/3 spending, 1/3 tax decrease. Thee budgets these departments have is outrageous and its the f**cking appalling procurement processes and value for money they get that is issue number one. If all the tax is going to be pissed up against a wall, stuff your "improved services" LOL!

USC should be abolished, as was planned. If huge sums of money gets wasted or goes to those not paying into the pot and who never have, enough is enough. They talk about the redistribution of wealth, redistributed from the working have nots, to the workshy have nots and one percent up the top!

My god, alot of drivel there.

orangerhyme

I agree that the money would be better spent on the working and middle class who pulled this country out of recession.
Also, there's a whole spectrum of people receiving social welfare. Some deserve an Xmas bonus, some don't.
I also genuinely dont think anyone is happier on the dole long term, it's a ****ty existence

Jimmy.

The call outs today we called to seemed happy out on long term dole. One fellas biggest complaint bar the broken shower we replaced was that the council wouldn’t pay to install fiber for his new tv.

suicide_circus

if it's so good for the economy why don't we increase social welfare payments massively?

Jimmy.

suicide_circus wrote: »

if it's so good for the economy why don't we increase social welfare payments massively?

Who ever told you that hasn’t a clue.

Loves_lorries

Smertrius wrote: »

no xmas presents this year from your grandparents because they won't being getting xmas bonus


well the pensioners won't being getting xmas bonus this year too according irish mirror

Willie o dea will make it a condition of FF support for the budget, government like to under promise and over deliver around budget time.

bobbysands81

I’m happy for my taxes to go for a Christmas bonus for welfare recipients.

If folk on here think that being on social welfare is so great then why not give up your job and go on the scratcher as a career move?

By and large those who will be receiving this extra payment will need it and be grateful for it. Generally it’s spent in local shops providing a boost far beyond just the recipient of the extra money.

Happy Christmas.

storker

Jimmy. wrote: »

Who ever told you that hasn’t a clue.

Are you saying that dole payments don't go back into the economy? Where do they go then?

storker

suicide_circus wrote: »

if it's so good for the economy why don't we increase social welfare payments massively?

If payments were increased "massively" then some of it would be saved and not used in the economy., that's why.