Scrap communion day in favour of receiving first communion at any Mass

freshpopcorn

The people I know who'd be religious would have no problem with the dress/party.
It's just the people who'd have no time for church. They'd take a issue with. Even the a la carte Catholic are fine but the people who constantly post online about hating religion and still put their kids through it.
Just to note I live in a rural area near a town. There's no pressure for school places and being baptised and a few people aren't and it's no issue.

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freshpopcorn wrote: »

The people I know who'd be religious would have no problem with the dress/party.
It's just the people who'd have no time for church. They'd take a issue with. Even the a la carte Catholic are fine but the people who constantly post online about hating religion and still put their kids through it.
Just to note I live in a rural area near a town. There's no pressure for school places and being baptised and a few people aren't and it's no issue.

True, I don't think religious people have a problem with the dress and party. But I imagine the hypocrisy of parents who have no time for the church but spend a fortune on dresses and parties and bouncy castles and fake tans, while talking, texting and photographing their way through the actual ceremony must be galling.

This way they'll be out of the equation and the people for whom the ceremony and religious aspect is important will have that placed at the centre of the occasion again.

Thephantomsmask

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Despite some of the comment during the Pope's visit, it shows how Ireland is still a very strongly devout catholic country, and is committed to maintaining it that way.
Woe any priest trying to 'modernise' from the conservative catholicism tradition.

I would posit, given the attendance at the ploughing championships vs the pope, that the "strongly devout" have more interest in Massey than mass. :pac:

Hotblack Desiato

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Just to note I live in a rural area near a town. There's no pressure for school places and being baptised and a few people aren't and it's no issue.

Non-catholics having to sit through catholic indoctrination classes, prayers, class masses etc. etc. is an issue.

freshpopcorn

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Non-catholics having to sit through catholic indoctrination classes, prayers, class masses etc. etc. is an issue.

At the moment now I know several local schools.(I don't know if it's nationwide)
Religion is the last class of the day.
You have the option for your kid to sit in the class and colour or read or a project, do something with another teacher or you can go home.

Johnnycanyon

Just scrap all that superstitious mumbo jumbo.

Berserker

Grayson wrote: »

My niece started school in a national school last week and on the very first day she was taught how to bless herself.

Is this standard? Of all the things to teach them on the first day of school.

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Religion of any description should have no place in a childrens school.

What if the parents decide to send their children to a faith specific private school? What if the majority of children in that school are of a particular faith, as happens in the RoI.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Non-catholics having to sit through catholic indoctrination classes, prayers, class masses etc. etc. is an issue.

As a non-RC who had to do that, I can tell you that it's not an issue. I found it very educational, as did the other non-RC members of my class. Stop trying to use non-RCs as a weapon in your campaign against the RCC, please.

Hector Bellend

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Do they have certain religious rituals that the kids have to prepare for?

Bar&bat mitzvahs I suppose, bit like a confirmation. Don't know about muslim ones

byhookorbycrook

Sleepy wrote: »

It's not quite half the school year, but it is a ridiculous amount. My daughter opted out of religion and spent a few hours a week last year drawing pictures to amuse herself while her classmates were being indoctrinated by a teacher on the payroll of the Dept of Education .

Actually, traditionally, teachers teach religion on their "lunch hour," which is why religion was taught from 12.-12.30 each day to allow those not taking part to go home for the hour.

byhookorbycrook

freshpopcorn wrote: »

The people I know who'd be religious would have no problem with the dress/party.
It's just the people who'd have no time for church. They'd take a issue with. Even the a la carte Catholic are fine but the people who constantly post online about hating religion and still put their kids through it.
Just to note I live in a rural area near a town. There's no pressure for school places and being baptised and a few people aren't and it's no issue.

Have a look at the FB page of the woman claiming her child says God hates her in the Indo article.;);)

Hotblack Desiato

Berserker wrote: »

What if the parents decide to send their children to a faith specific private school?

If we stop funding private schools through taxes then those schools can do what they want.

As a non-RC who had to do that, I can tell you that it's not an issue.

Wasn't an issue for you. Others have different experiences.

I found it very educational, as did the other non-RC members of my class.

Yes I'm sure you found the fifth or sixth class mass to be just as 'educational' as the first. Some places do a few of these per year and attendance is not optional. And there you are again speaking for other people.

What about the endless communion / confirmation preparations and rehearsals?

Stop trying to use non-RCs as a weapon in your campaign against the RCC, please.

I'll post as I wish within the rules, thanks. BTW I'm a non-catholic too and my unbaptised kids are opted out of religion in school, luckily their school accommodates this reasonably well. But many do not, or even try to deny entirely the constitutional right of parents to opt out of religion.

Salthillprom

The person who started the campaign was exactly how I pictured she’d be. Zero class. She was looking for a ‘day out’. I felt sorry for the daughter..being marched out on front of the cameras for mammy’s benefit and noteriety. Be more in mammy’s line to look after her daughter than to be using her to push another agenda. Urgh. Vile.

Niles Crane

iguana wrote: »

I can't tell if you are being serious or taking the piss. Those two points are diametrically opposed. The priest wants to make the whole sacrament of communion more devout and bring it back to a focus on the sacrament. The people don't want that. The princess dresses, new outfits, party and fancy dinner have absolutely feck all to do with being devout. This just goes to show how very, very little the actual religion means to these families. It's just all about the party.

The Rape of Lucretia = T.R.O.L

The clue is in his name as so your better off ignoring anything he posts on any forum.

Hotblack Desiato

A boards employee, currently stirring it up promoting Irexit, Ireland rejoining the UK, and massively increasing alcohol prices with the ultimate goal of banning it.

paleoperson

I think the children and the parents deserve a first holy communion.

In modern times they should be glad for people who want to do it at all. I'm sure the parents who want to do it will have no problem raising the funding for it considering they're so upset over it.

The Crowman

LirW wrote: »

Ah communion time is great, my son (no faith) is in 2nd class now and communion is on the horizon and he is absolutely delighted. He gets to take his own books to read to school while the others prepare for communion, he always mentions on the way home how he doesn't have to go to mass and in general he's happy that he's spending quite a bit of time this year doing sweet f all while his class is busy with communion things.
Now of course I'd like if it wouldn't happen in school time and he'd be doing something useful. But I can't change it.
He gets a trip to the zoo though from me and also gets to use the neighbours bouncy castle.

Genuine question. Whats the deal with bouncy castles and communion? They always seem to be inextricably linked in recent years for some reason.

backspin.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting idea. Scrap big Communion ceremonies and let kids make their first communion at an ordinary Mass.

Personally I think it’s a great idea.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/we-cant-let-tradition-become-extinct-parents-anger-at-decision-to-scrap-first-holy-communion-date-for-any-mass-day-37352377.html

I'll bet you made your communion, made a few bob and had a great day.

Sofiztikated

The Crowman wrote: »

Genuine question. Whats the deal with bouncy castles and communion? They always seem to be inextricably linked in recent years for some reason.

Keeps the kids entertained while you sink bottles of Bud.

Then you can go on it later when the kids are in bed.