Yet another Loaded Survey for the NCCA

evolving_doors

So just caught sight of this survey for the NAPD
Edit: I'm not sure if it was given to the NAPD or if it forms part of the NAPD's personal submission
here

It seems the outcome has been decided. The questions tell you what's going to happen.

e.g.

Q4. Do you think the Leaving Cert adequately prepares a person for working life?
Yes
No

Like, is the leaving certificate meant to prepare a person for working life?

Q7 If the Leaving Cert was reformed to allow continuous assessment over the two-year cycle, do you support each student's teacher in each particular subject marking those assessments?

Hmmm that sounds vaguely familiar doesn't it:pac:

Dunno if that link is unique to one person, but it probably remembers your IP address somehow so you probably can't do it twice :pac:

padohaodha

Sweet jesus..more ineptitude on the way.

evolving_doors

padohaodha wrote: »

Sweet jesus..more ineptitude on the way.

What we really need is 1000hrs of Wellbeing and plenty of workshops.

I've square root of 2 to finish off.

maynooth_rules

Smashing idea. They have made an utter balls of the JC, so why not spread it to the LC.

joebloggs32

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Smashing idea. They have made an utter balls of the JC, so why not spread it to the LC.

Well the problem is the new jc will not prepare students for the current lc, so as night follows day now they must change the lc

happywithlife

i completed that survey and think there additional comments at the end or else I tweeted them afterwards and stated I thought the questions were very leading and obviously wanted one outcome..

r93kaey5p2izun

The NAPD must have no shame. I'd be embarrassed to be associated with that survey. "And have you stopped beating your wife?" springs to mind.

mtoutlemonde

evolving_doors wrote: »

What we really need is 1000hrs of Wellbeing and plenty of workshops.

I've square root of 2 to finish off.

And don't forget the post-its

judeboy101

A trip to the comp room with the promise of a free class if your students fill out the survey a certain way should skew the results lol.

Tom Dunne

Wow. From an educational research perspective, that is a very poorly written bunch of survey questions.

Which will bias results, which will render the whole exercise methodologically unsound, which will result in poor decisions being made.

Unreal.

RealJohn

Where’s that guy who pointed out that we were discussing the junior cert/cycle when I criticised the government’s plans to make class teachers responsible for the future of our students?
I’ll accept that apology now.

evolving_doors

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Wow. From an educational research perspective, that is a very poorly written bunch of survey questions.

Which will bias results, which will render the whole exercise methodologically unsound, which will result in poor decisions being made.

Unreal.

Here's what appears to be the reality on research integrity within the NCCA.

"The current and former staff members have alleged that the current culture in the organisation is toxic and that this has had a negative impact on what is being taught in schools. Those working in the NCCA do not feel empowered and find it difficult to complete the tasks that have been assigned to them. They have alleged that there is a skills mismatch which has come about as a result of management failures. The end result is that staff do not feel confident in standing over the work that the NCCA does."

Full article on alleged systemic bullying within the NCCA here https://www.fiannafail.ie/investigation-needed-into-bullying-complaints-at-ncca-byrne/

Sounds like they are being instructed to get the surveys out.... get the desired result.... shut up about good international practice and proper research.. or else.

r93kaey5p2izun

I thought it was NAPD rather than NCCA?

evolving_doors

Salvador Short Villa wrote: »

I thought it was NAPD rather than NCCA?

Survey must have been given at napd conference.

evolving_doors

Sorry think I got my wires crossed. I think it's a submission by the napd to the NCCA ... must find out who created the survey..

Noveight

Hmm, I reckon it needs more mind maps.

namenotavailablE

Somebody was watching this when creating it, perhaps?

MathsManiac

RealJohn wrote: »

Where’s that guy who pointed out that we were discussing the junior cert/cycle when I criticised the government’s plans to make class teachers responsible for the future of our students?
I’ll accept that apology now.

Here I am, RJ.
Somewhat puzzled at the suggestion that there was something wrong with pointing out, in a discussion about the Junior Cycle, that we were talking about the Junior Cycle.
I am heartened to know that, in the hypothetical scenario in which I would offer you an apology for something, you will accept it. I agree to the same if the reverse ever happens.

evolving_doors

MathsManiac wrote: »

Here I am, RJ.
Somewhat puzzled at the suggestion that there was something wrong with pointing out, in a discussion about the Junior Cycle, that we were talking about the Junior Cycle.

I am heartened to know that, in the hypothetical scenario in which I would offer you an apology for something, you will accept it. I agree to the same if the reverse ever happens.

:pac: I must learn that one that off.

RealJohn

MathsManiac wrote: »

Somewhat puzzled at the suggestion that there was something wrong with pointing out, in a discussion about the Junior Cycle, that we were talking about the Junior Cycle.

I think you know (now) exactly what was wrong but if you’d like to stick to your guns and claim that you thought the integrity of the discussion was at stake and not that you naïvely believed that this nonsense wasn’t just rolled out at junior cycle level entirely so that it could be declared a success (regardless of the reality) and applied to the leaving cert, that’s your business.

And we wonder why the government thinks they can get away with undermining teachers at every turn, as though many teachers will lap up whatever spin they’re told to, without any fear they might think for themselves.
That’s a non-sequitor, by the way, and not aimed at anyone in particular.

clunked

evolving_doors wrote: »

So just caught sight of this survey for the NAPD
Edit: I'm not sure if it was given to the NAPD or if it forms part of the NAPD's personal submission
here

It seems the outcome has been decided. The questions tell you what's going to happen.

e.g.


Like, is the leaving certificate meant to prepare a person for working life?



Hmmm that sounds vaguely familiar doesn't it:pac:

Dunno if that link is unique to one person, but it probably remembers your IP address somehow so you probably can't do it twice :pac:

Private mode 😜

byhookorbycrook

Just messed with their bot heads.

clunked

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Just messed with their bot heads.

They’re bots of Marlborough Street anyway.