2 out of 5 worried robots will take their job

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0927/998333-software_survey/

Look, there is no need to worry.


It will be 3 out 5.

dr.fuzzenstein

A universal, basic income will be inevitable eventually.

suicide_circus

a chimp with a cattle prod could do my job

The Rape of Lucretia

Take whose job?

The upside though - 3 out of 5 robots feel secure in their jobs.

messy tessy

They are more than welcome to take my job!

M.T. Cranium

That means 3 out of 5 worried robots will not take their job?

I have no time for these worried robots -- snowflakes every one of them.

sexmag

Well one has already taken my place in the bedroom for years so why not my work too

inforfun

I probably get along better with robots than some of the clowns i have to deal with now.

Malayalam

''That''. Such a useful word. Multi-tasking between pronoun, determiner, adverb, can be adapted to clauses with little effort. Quiet, unobtrusive, minimalist, highly functional, impersonal. Bit like those worried robots that are going to take our jobs.

Wheety

Great. Hopefully I can replace my useless butler.

machiavellianme

inforfun wrote: »

I probably get along better with robots than some of the clowns i have to deal with now.

3 out of 5 ringmasters say the same thing about their circus.
Probably due to their role being in tents!

D3V!L

suicide_circus wrote: »

a chimp with a cattle prod could do my job

1 Chimp ?? Through some expensive R&D and several years of testing prototypes, we've managed to get my job down to 2 robotic chimps. One is overseeing the other though.

andekwarhola

Lots of trades have become obsolete before. Jobs evolve as does society. Its how we react to the changes that's important.

s7ryf3925pivug

In the last few decades, increased productivity from technological advances has had no significant effect on salaries - all the benefit has gone to corporations themselves. Without any other factors incolved, it might be naiive to expect benefits to affect the 99% at this stage.

JMNolan

Code monkey here, you're all ****ed. I'm grand, halting problem has me sorted.

super_furry

I'm an unstoppable time-traveller assassin sent back in time to kill the parents of people before they're born. I've no fear about losing my job to a robot.

Christy42

super_furry wrote: »

I'm an unstoppable time-traveller assassin sent back in time to kill the parents of people before they're born. I've no fear about losing my job to a robot.

Indeed. All the time travelling robot assassin prototypes I have seen have turner out to be completely stoppable so you have a big edge there.

Yeah jobs will change. As ever. It is important to ensure we have people trained up for jobs of the future. I am sure we will invent new stuff for people to do that is not a thing now based on historical evidence.

Gatling

We will all end up looking like we are in the Wall-E movie .
No jobs and everything done for us by robots

Wheeliebin30

More nonsense.

There is a Labour shortage in Ireland right now.

Fake news scare mongering tin foil nonsense.

fryup

its not fake...have any of you seen inside the factory on the bbc....you can see how automation has decimated the labour force in the name of efficiency ...and even in warehouses they have driverless robotic forklifts that are operated in a control room by just one guy..its scary the ways things are going

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jlo5C8ydb4

super_furry

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

More nonsense.

There is a Labour shortage in Ireland right now.

And that's the way it will remain forever, with no changes whatsoever.

Blackhorse Slim

Wheety wrote: »

Great. Hopefully I can replace my useless butler.

Introducing... "I can't believe it's not a butler.... Mk2". Out in 2022

Try_harder

Is there a cure for this robot anxiety? WD40?

super_furry

Try_harder wrote: »

Is there a cure for this robot anxiety? WD40?

I just tell Alexa all my problems. She says it's going to be fine.

doolox

I have seen a lot of changes in my 60 years on the planet and this is one more change our society will have to adapt to.

There are far more carer and childminding roles in existence than in former times.

People are having fewer children in Ireland and Europe than they used to. Hence the need for fewer jobs.

More leisure time and more money means that entertainment and sport are more commercial than they used to be and have become big industries in their own right.

Jobs connected with pets are much more lucrative than they used to be. A person with the right skills and housing can now make a good living minding dogs for a living, unthinkable 20 yrs ago. There are now several pet food and pet housing chain stores opening in Ireland, also would not happen 20 yrs ago.

Sectors such as special needs education, psychological counselling and career guidance are very short staffed and these will increase when people and governments start funding them properly rather than see the bad outcomes of inaction in these areas of human existence.

The big problem is attempting to harmonise taxation and financial practice across the globe so that large corporate interests do not hog all the money for themselves and leave the poor to fend for themselves. The gains from any innovations will eventually have to be spread around to every person on the planet to avoid war and violence at the very least.

ohnonotgmail

Why are the robots worried?

Hector Savage

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

A universal, basic income will be inevitable eventually.

Seems to be the only solution, people go on about how there will be new jobs created - sure there will, but can't imagine many (any) of these will be low skilled.

We can't all be programmers !!

Wibbs

Hector Savage wrote: »

Seems to be the only solution, people go on about how there will be new jobs created - sure there will, but can't imagine many (any) of these will be low skilled.

Thats the thing with this revolution. It may hit some skilled jobs more. Take a hospital. AI can replace doctors far easier than it can replace nurses. There is already software systems being developed and tested that are better at diagnosis and treatment plans than humans. Robots could do surgery to degrees impossible for the human hand and eyeball. Look at the trading floor in Wall Street. It's now pretty much a TV studio for financial news reporting. The hordes of people jostling are gone, replaced by computer systems. In the US fewer and fewer trainee lawyers are needed as again the computer systems have taken over much of the drudge work they did. Automated trucks, trains etc will decimate the transport industry jobs.

Mickeroo

Hector Savage wrote: »

Seems to be the only solution, people go on about how there will be new jobs created - sure there will, but can't imagine many (any) of these will be low skilled.

We can't all be programmers !!

I'm pretty comfortable with the idea of a society that works by choice rather than necessity tbh. It just sounds like a natural progression to me.

selwyn froggitt

I’m not worried, bring it on you fúcking robot bastards!

professore

Our jobs are all safe. No robot could spew sh1te all day on boards as well as we do!

professore

doolox wrote: »

I have seen a lot of changes in my 60 years on the planet and this is one more change our society will have to adapt to.

There are far more carer and childminding roles in existence than in former times.

People are having fewer children in Ireland and Europe than they used to. Hence the need for fewer jobs.

My buddy with a chemistry degree and decades of experience has retrained as an old folks home worker. Less money but great job security, easier hours and way less stress. He loves it.

As a man, he is seriously in the minority, and a lot of his job is spent talking to other male residents about hurling, the "good old days" and general mans stuff etc. They are delighted with him and not embarrassed about being washed by a woman, being raised in different times. Best part is he isn't replaceable by a robot in his lifetime.

Christy42

Hector Savage wrote: »

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

A universal, basic income will be inevitable eventually.

Seems to be the only solution, people go on about how there will be new jobs created - sure there will, but can't imagine many (any) of these will be low skilled.

We can't all be programmers !!

While this could well be the far future I cab see plenty of expansion in government funded jobs that could help society.

We could use more teachers, doctors, nurses, social workers, child minders etc. This is in addition to the coding jobs you mentioned.

Someone mentioned that doctors could lose jobs. I doubt it will be fully automated soon and we are understaffed as is.

I have no issue with basic income but would love these areas first.

Decreased working hours would also be good and increase productivity/hour.

Of course this relies on us not simply giving the extra cash generated from this increased productivity straight to the 1% like we have so far as technology has expanded which is the main blocker to both ideas.

TheBoyConor

fryup wrote: »

its not fake...have any of you seen inside the factory on the bbc....you can see how automation has decimated the labour force in the name of efficiency ...and even in warehouses they have driverless robotic forklifts that are operated in a control room by just one guy..its scary the ways things are going

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jlo5C8ydb4

But sure won't there be loads of jobs in designing, programming, building and maintaining and servicing all these robots?
Jobs that are a lot more interesting and better paid than some menial minimum wage assembly job on a production line.

At the end of the day they are just pieces of machinery.

TheBoyConor

Hector Savage wrote: »

Seems to be the only solution, people go on about how there will be new jobs created - sure there will, but can't imagine many (any) of these will be low skilled.

We can't all be programmers !!

It's not all about programmers, tbh. There is far more to it that just programming. Programming is just the side of it that has the bulk of the innovation at the moment.

Robots are, at the end of the day, pieces of machinery and subject to wear and tear like any other machine. Bearings will wear out and go, hydraulic hoses and air lines will leak or burst, worn out tooling or attachments will need to be replaced, etc etc. It's not as if they will work in within a human vacuum.

banie01

If one looks at projects already in commercial use like IBM's Watson and it's integration with Salesforce, it is already making huge inroads into what were traditionally "safe from automation" roles such as insurance adjusting and claims handling.

Watson is amazing in the scope of work it can undertake. I am aware of projects where it is even been trialled for medical, legal and design intervention and iteration.
Likely there are even more advanced AI's that are going to come to market over the next few years, couple that with the low cost of automation hardware and even jobs that were traditionally too cheap to automate, will be automated.
And the usual preserve of the highly educated, medicine, law, and many other fields will come to be dominated by consistent AI iterations.

A very quick example is Customer service roles are another role previously seen as relatively safe.
The move to push customers online initially allowed a single agent to handle multiple queries at the same cost per desk.
Now however the push is to use automated AI chatbots to handle all contacts with a human supervising and intervening where needed.
We are moving from a society where interaction with a person is the norm, to it becoming a novelty.

Pac1Man

Pour water on the coonts.

dr.fuzzenstein

professore wrote: »

Our jobs are all safe. No robot could spew sh1te all day on boards as well as we do!

Not specifically Boards, but I'm pretty sure that 90% of flag waving Brexit, pro-Trump and Putin verbal masturbation comments on social media are already posted by bots.
It will come to the point where comments from the public won't be allowed anywhere, or only allowed from a small handful of vetted contributors, as any public comment section will immediately be flooded with thousands of automated comments pushing an agenda.
Brexit and Trump's election are the beginning, it will only get far worse in the future.
If you want to make your view heard you will have to hire a troll team to flood any comment section, because anything else will just sink without a trace.

Pkiernan

5 of 5 dole scoungers not worried about robots.

Skatedude

I've spent over 20 years working with robots and I spent as much time fixing and working on them as they have doing their job, so more robots means more work and paychecks for me.
Good news as far as i'm concerned.

ChikiChiki

TheBoyConor wrote: »

But sure won't there be loads of jobs in designing, programming, building and maintaining and servicing all these robots?
Jobs that are a lot more interesting and better paid than some menial minimum wage assembly job on a production line.

At the end of the day they are just pieces of machinery.

Until the robots learn to design, build, programme and maintain the robots and they will. The rate of advancement is inversely proportional to the amount of people upskilling. Governments need to be on the ball here or else looking at big dividend payouts for shareholders and mass unemployment. A friend is the principle strategist at a huge global organisation and she is of the same opinion. People will lose out to automation.

Im not just talking about warehouse robots by the way.

Malayalam

Pkiernan wrote: »

5 of 5 dole scoungers not worried about robots.

As a not on the dole person I don't like the word scrounger even if people choose to be on it for the whole of their lives. There must be some suffering behind certain choices and how could one lambast a fellow human in their suffering. At the very least there are the endless days trying to drum up interesting things to do. And anyway from the moment we are all born till death we are all dependent on support networks created and run by our fellow beings, even if we are a billionaire we depend on the rubbish collector and the toilet cleaner. Roads, water, clean air, vegetables, healing, respect, attention, every part of all our lives we depend on others almost helplessly so we are all scroungers in this sense. A wise old friend used to say to me Fait ta Vie, which implies make your life and don't be looking at the lives of others to judge them.

Pkiernan

Malayalam wrote: »

As a not on the dole person I don't like the word scrounger even if people choose to be on it for the whole of their lives. There must be some suffering behind certain choices and how could one lambast a fellow human in their suffering. At the very least there are the endless days trying to drum up interesting things to do. And anyway from the moment we are all born till death we are all dependent on support networks created and run by our fellow beings, even if we are a billionaire we depend on the rubbish collector and the toilet cleaner. Roads, water, clean air, vegetables, healing, respect, attention, every part of all our lives we depend on others almost helplessly so we are all scroungers in this sense. A wise old friend used to say to me Fait ta Vie, which implies make your life and don't be looking at the lives of others to judge them.

Sounds suspiciously like the words of a robot....

Malayalam

Pkiernan wrote: »

Sounds suspiciously like the words of a robot....

fxotoole

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

More nonsense.

There is a Labour shortage in Ireland right now.

Fake news scare mongering tin foil nonsense.

Labour shortage because the skill set to fill those jobs isn’t there?

what is causing the labour shortage?

fxotoole

2 our of 5 robots are worried about being taxed to the hilt to pay for the universal basic income for all those pesky meatbag humans

fxotoole

TheBoyConor wrote: »

But sure won't there be loads of jobs in designing, programming, building and maintaining and servicing all these robots?
Jobs that are a lot more interesting and better paid than some menial minimum wage assembly job on a production line.

At the end of the day they are just pieces of machinery.

Until robots start designing, programming, building and maintaining other robots. Then we’re fukt.

Pac1Man

To be honest, I'll take being fukt by a robot at this stage.

Jimmy.

A robot will never get rock and roll.

Hector Savage

M.T. Cranium wrote: »

That means 3 out of 5 worried robots will not take their job?

I have no time for these worried robots -- snowflakes every one of them.

I did read it that way at first too!!

Wheeliebin30

Who knows what the world will be like in 30 years.

30 years ago there was no internet really, now look at it and the jobs that has come with it.

In 30 years we could have things we can’t imagine now that will need manual Labour.