Tipperary march October 2018

kurtainsider

I see on facebook that another march has been arranged for 24th Nov at 2pm. I'll go again if possible but I probably won't go a 3rd time if the speech is another ill prepared ramble about how the people want more deis and dole. They want jobs.

And before anyone asks me for my ideas for providing jobs - sorry, I don't have any.

digzy

kurtainsider wrote: »

I see on facebook that another march has been arranged for 24th Nov at 2pm. I'll go again if possible but I probably won't go a 3rd time if the speech is another ill prepared ramble about how the people want more deis and dole. They want jobs.

And before anyone asks me for my ideas for providing jobs - sorry, I don't have any.

There seems to be some movement. Will it amount to anything though? Mick Fitz was on radio this morning re the courthouse. There was a piece in the nationalist today regarding the roads/footpaths.
I know a lad who works for a local tarmac company. He was with the council yesterday regarding pushing on with a few projects. Council seem anxious to address some of the groups concerns

With the weather getting worse, you’d wonder what the crowds would be like.

Given that the employment situation is the most urgent, it’s hard to see how this can be sorted to the groups satisfaction...

by8auj6csd3ioq

They said on radio -in a vague way-they would step up their march protest. Maybe not be as fussy with the route or care if it caused obstructions

Paddico

Starting in the Plan on the Limerick Road and ending in the Market yard.
The idea is that people will spend time (and money hopefully) in the center of town afterwards while waiting for the switching on of the Christmas lights at 4pm.

Sensible idea

by8auj6csd3ioq

See there is free parking from start to end December

tipptown78

Anabelle Gigantic Underpass wrote: »

See there is free parking from start to end December

Don't think this has anything to do with the march. There's been free parking in most towns in Tipperary around xmas since as long as there has been parking charges.

by8auj6csd3ioq

tipptown78 wrote: »

Don't think this has anything to do with the march. There's been free parking in most towns in Tipperary around xmas since as long as there has been parking charges.

but it is usually just the saturdays in December. Tipp is all December

https://www.tipperarycoco.ie/sites/default/files/Christmas%202018%20Free%20Parking%20Tipp%20Town%20Advert_1.pdf

by8auj6csd3ioq

How did the march go today?

Anabelle Gigantic Underpass

Anabelle Gigantic Underpass wrote: »

How did the march go today?

Organisers estimated 2,500 attended. http://tippfm.com/featured-2/second-march-4-tipp-demands-escalation/

“Marchers returned to the streets on Saturday afternoon (November 24) and were informed of plans to escalate through the picket on Monday morning and in January a blockade will be placed on the N24 Waterford/Limerick thoroughfare running through the heart of the town.

While the turnout for the march on Saturday was significantly down on the October march, understandably so given the proximity of the two events,it was still an enormous display of support for the march4tipp campaign.” https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/home/349642/tipperary-town-marchers-to-escalate-protest.html

PacMan

tippChappie wrote: »

Tipperary Town is often regarded as a "Horrible Place" and its rather lovely to see the natives highlight the issues their town is having. Bring it on I say, and lets be having You, said the Chappie.

Unsure if I would agree totally, but the town does has a really bad reputation, and reading the stats here with 34% of the population on long term unemployment is shocking. Is this really the case ?

With Limerick City up the road, and clonmel not too far away, are these people really saying they cannot find work ?

I travel between Limerick City and Tipperary maybe four or five times per week,. It upsets me when I see the high amount of shops to let which is shocking. I can only assume that people of the town are in dismay.

At the end of the day, Its some of the people of the town which is giving Tipp Town a really bad name.

Hopefully these local demos will change the town for the better.
Its stuck in the past and needs some radical thinking for it to get better.

The_Honeybadger

Have been following this with interest I often pass through Tipp road surfaces are poor and the Main Street is depressing I can see why people are out marching.

Im not affiliated to any party but if Tipp people want to get these issues addressed they need to vote in as many government party candidates as possible and hold them to their election promises. Some may say previous Tipp TD’s did nothing for years but voting in opposition or protest candidates is virtually a guarantee nothing will be delivered. Mattie and other independent candidates will highlight issues and make a lot of noise but will never get a bypass or similar projects agreed.

This is probably not what protestors want to hear but that’s the country we live in unfortunately.

PacMan

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

I often pass through Tipp road surfaces are poor and the Main Street is depressing I can see why people are out marching.

I agree, the town is terrible, and although I live in Limerick now, I still travel to see the folks outside Thurles on a regular basis.

The commute through Tipperary Town is truly awful, and is getting worse.
I assume that its hard for the local residents to take pride in their town.
Cashel and Cahir are so beautiful and have lots of areas to appreciate and great restaurants and cafe's.
You cannot even stop in Tipp town for a coffee, even if you wanted to.

Chevy RV

tipptown78 wrote: »

While I have some sympathy for the people of Tipperary Town, the protest hasn't a hope of getting some of those things listed on their wishlist.

1. Grant 'deis' status to the primary schools.
This is probably the most achievable item.

2. Council change the plan to remove parking spaces for residents on the limerick road (davitt st).
This decision was made 2/3 years ago, when the decision was made was the time to protest, not when the tender is gone out.

3.Bypass
I doubt will happen in any of our lifetimes. No mention in the Ireland 2040 plan so its a dead duck.

4. Sort out the roads within 6 months
The tender process alone would take 6 months

5.establish a task force to deal with the unemployment (34% V 7% nationally)
If you or I was setting up a business, would you choose Tipperary Town when Limerick is 20 minutes in the road? Lets call a spade a spade, the population in Tipperary Town wouldn't be classed as skilled workers. The best they could hope for is a monotonous assembly line or a call centre.

6.maintain the recreation centre
The Canon Hayes Centre doesn't exactly help itself, when other facilities/gyms opened in the town, it showed people what should be expected. I know the centre itself is an excellent facility to have in any town but it cannot keep relying on hand outs. If I was running a business that wasn't viable, I wouldn't expect funding left, right and centre to keep it going

7.keep the mount sion open
The last I heard there was 6 residents in the building. I can only imagine the cost of staffing the place as well as maintaining it. The residents would probably be better off relocated to other residential care facilities.

8. 2 hour free parking
It will never happen. If the council agreed to it, it would only open a can of worms and every other town would demand the same.

9. Council maintain the listed buildings
Why should the council? Why shouldn’t the owners be held responsible? The council already offer grant funding under the Built Heritage Investment Scheme and Structures at Risk fund for maintenance of protected structures as well as other funding available from the Heritage Council.

Lets call a spade a spade, the population in Tipperary Town wouldn't be classed as skilled workers. The best they could hope for is a monotonous assembly line or a call centre.----true ....but what would be wrong with those type jobs? Money is money , regardless of the type of job.Look at what has happened in towns like Clonakilty where they have put their resources into getting low capital intensive industry that provides many jobs e.g. Capita etc down there.

Should the main centres of resources(money) in town like Tipperary Co Op, Tipperary Credit Union , Banks be asked by their customers put some money into a jointly owned company that specifically supports local job creation in SME type enterprises that tend to outlast the FDI type jobs that can disappear at the stroke of a pen somewhere outside of our control?

The_Honeybadger

Chevy RV wrote: »

Lets call a spade a spade, the population in Tipperary Town wouldn't be classed as skilled workers. The best they could hope for is a monotonous assembly line or a call centre.----true ....but what would be wrong with those type jobs? Money is money , regardless of the type of job.Look at what has happened in towns like Clonakilty where they have put their resources into getting low capital intensive industry that provides many jobs e.g. Capita etc down there.

Should the main centres of resources(money) in town like Tipperary Co Op, Tipperary Credit Union , Banks be asked by their customers put some money into a jointly owned company that specifically supports local job creation in SME type enterprises that tend to outlast the FDI type jobs that can disappear at the stroke of a pen somewhere outside of our control?

There are plenty of enterprise supports already there through Enterprise Ireland and other agencies if you have a viable idea and a solid business plan. I don’t think it’s the remit of the banks or other businesses in any town to step in.

Looking at the figures quoted here I suspect the unemployment issue runs deeper than a lack of jobs in any case. Could take a generation of intervention through education and up-skilling to sort it out.

A task force is required to look at all of this and take action, keep the pressure on. Blocking the main road in January is bonkers though. The organisers should be arrested and dealt with harshly if this goes ahead IMO. Protest is fine but that’s going too far.

The_Honeybadger

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

There are plenty of enterprise supports already there through Enterprise Ireland and other agencies if you have a viable idea and a solid business plan. I don’t think it’s the remit of the banks or other businesses in any town to step in.

Looking at the figures quoted here I suspect the unemployment issue runs deeper than a lack of jobs in any case. Could take a generation of intervention through education and up-skilling to sort it out.

A task force is required to look at all of this and take action, keep the pressure on. Blocking the main road in January is bonkers though. The organisers should be arrested and dealt with harshly if this goes ahead IMO. Protest is fine but that’s going too far.

Or treated the French way. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-46411660/france-fuel-protests-tear-gas-and-water-cannon-used-in-paris

digzy

What choice is open though?
There’s been 2 Marchs, a silent picket of the loca authority office.

The farmers ( a huge national body) are well able to block the streets of Dublin with their grievances. They would rather not have to do that but their backs were to the wall.

As per the the groups head, they’re not being listened to.

The tipp group haven’t the numbers for that kinda operation. One of their issues is the 7000 vehicles that pass through town each day.

Personally, I don’t want the road blocked as it’ll hurt my business. However, I support the group in terms of their aspirations

Cllr Mary Hanna Hourigan announced at the council meeting that businesses with whom she spoke were opposed to 2 hour free parking. A survey carried out by the group found less than 1% of business were opposed to it. So looks like someone is telling lies. I know whom I believe.
It’s a resigning matter.

digzy

digzy wrote: »

What choice is open though?
There’s been 2 Marchs, a silent picket of the loca authority office.

The farmers ( a huge national body) are well able to block the streets of Dublin with their grievances. They would rather not have to do that but their backs were to the wall.

As per the the groups head, they’re not being listened to.

The tipp group haven’t the numbers for that kinda operation. One of their issues is the 7000 vehicles that pass through town each day.

Personally, I don’t want the road blocked as it’ll hurt my business. However, I support the group in terms of their aspirations

Cllr Mary Hanna Hourigan announced at the council meeting that businesses with whom she spoke were opposed to 2 hour free parking. A survey carried out by the group found less than 1% of business were opposed to it. So looks like someone is telling lies. I know whom I believe.
It’s a resigning matter.

Are you actually saying that a politician actually LIED?? I’m shocked!

digzy

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Looking at the figures quoted here I suspect the unemployment issue runs deeper than a lack of jobs in any case. Could take a generation of intervention through education and up-skilling to sort it out.

A task force is required to look at all of this and take action, keep the pressure on. Blocking the main road in January is bonkers though. The organisers should be arrested and dealt with harshly if this goes ahead IMO. Protest is fine but that’s going too far.

The unemployment figures are shocking.
While I know it’s not ‘pc’, a fair chunk of the blame must lie with those not working. There are too many multi generational unemployment families.

Secondly, some blame lies with the state.
They’ve made these ‘lifestyles’ viable. While any reasonable person wants the state to look after its citizens in times of need, a situation exists for many people that unless they got jobs paying over €500 per week it’s not worth their while ‘go legit’.

I can recall working in pall which was one of the last of the towns big employers. A fair few of my colleagues were traveling from outside the town.
While the ‘townies’ were moaning about a lack of employment.

Given the public transport links to limerick and Clonmel, I cannot understand how any (childless) person can be unemployed. Fair enough, when you’ve kids it complicates things!

digzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Are you actually saying that a politician actually LIED?? I’m shocked!

It appears she ‘misled’ the chamber at best!

The_Honeybadger

Look, the proposal is to block the main Waterford to Limerick road, what if emergency services need to get through quickly that day. Can the organisers live with being responsible for a loss of life due to the chaos they cause? Dublin is different there are always alternative routes.

The timeframes given are not reasonable. With the best will in the world it’s a 5-10 year project to transform a town and anybody expecting instant solutions is just foolish. The way to do it is through political pressure, funding for various projects, and progressive positive action on the ground. The bypass should underpin everything but that’s 10 years away minimum, are they going to continue this type of action for 10 years? They’ll find their support and numbers dwindling quite quickly I’d imagine. Blocking roads and causing traffic gridlock just makes the organisers look like lunatics IMO.

As I said above be very careful about who you elect in the next GE. Any group that can get 5000 out on the street is potentially a very influential voting bloc. Get politicians in there who can actually get things done. I think it’s safe to say you have their attention at this stage.

PacMan

digzy wrote: »

The unemployment figures are shocking.
While I know it’s not ‘pc’, a fair chunk of the blame must lie with those not working. There are too many multi generational unemployment families.!

Yes, tipp town has one of the highest unemployment of any town in the country. Apparently a lot of people do not want to work, and have been on the long term unemployment payment for a long time.
These people who do not want to work, are the ones giving tipp town its dreadful name.

trixiebust

PacMan wrote: »

Yes, tipp town has one of the highest unemployment of any town in the country. Apparently a lot of people do not want to work, and have been on the long term unemployment payment for a long time.
These people who do not want to work, are the ones giving tipp town its dreadful name.

Do you pass through often?

PacMan

Yes, some weeks almost daily.
If your query is rergarding a meet for a coffee, there are sites specifically for hook ups which you should use

trixiebust

PacMan wrote: »

Yes, some weeks almost daily.
If your query is rergarding a meet for a coffee, there are sites specifically for hook ups which you should use

No thanks! I was asking more because I thought you were assuming about people when passing through,as opposed living there.

That town needs investment in decent jobs & there are numerous empty factory sites that could be filled. Hopefully those people marching keep do until they are heard.

trixiebust

trixiebust wrote: »

No thanks! I was asking more because I thought you were assuming about people when passing through,as opposed living there.

That town needs investment in decent jobs & there are numerous empty factory sites that could be filled. Hopefully those people marching keep do until they are heard.

I hope that they support local businesses and shop local this Christmas.

by8auj6csd3ioq

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope that they support local businesses and shop local this Christmas.

If the town is as bad as they say there won't be much to buy

Vizzy

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope that they support local businesses and shop local this Christmas.

Funny you should say this as I was told from someone from Tipp that one of the march organisers had a lovely post on Faceplant about shopping in Limerick.

Vizzy

Vizzy wrote: »

Funny you should say this as I was told from someone from Tipp that one of the march organisers had a lovely post on Faceplant about shopping in Limerick.

That’s my point exactly. They need to help themselves.

cordangan

Wellworths on the main street reopening tomorrow Friday at 11 am. Well done Tony and all concerned

CúilChip

Mary Newman Julian's one of the FG candidates for the next general election has been doing a lot of work in Tipp town behind the scenes, and has now published a paper on it, which she has given to all the relevant ministers and the Taoiseach.

https://maryfortipperary.wordpress.com/tipperary-town-acceleration-programme-ttap/

laoch na mona

CúilChip wrote: »

Mary Newman Julian's one of the FG candidates for the next general election has been doing a lot of work in Tipp town behind the scenes, and has now published a paper on it, which she has given to all the relevant ministers and the Taoiseach.

https://maryfortipperary.wordpress.com/tipperary-town-acceleration-programme-ttap/

Pity her party are responsible for the policies which are part of the problem

PacMan

"mary for tipperary".... is that the slogan she is using.
Not very good.