Second hand diesel cars slow to sell

KevinCavan

In the motor section of the Sunday Independent yesterday, they said second hand diesels were getting harder for garages to sell, especially in Dublin. Is this a growing trend. Are hybrids, electrics and turbo charged smaller petrol engines the way forward?

troyzer

KevinCavan wrote: »

In the motor section of the Sunday Independent yesterday, they said second hand diesels were getting harder for garages to sell, especially in Dublin. Is this a growing trend. Are hybrids, electrics and turbo charged smaller petrol engines the way forward?

Yup.

Effects

KevinCavan wrote: »

Are hybrids, electrics and turbo charged smaller petrol engines the way forward?

Yes.

Considering lots of countries are talking about banning ICE in the next couple of decades.

_Brian

Dublin should have a very limited market for diesel cars. The market was saturated with diesels for the cheap tax but it didn’t work out well in many cases.

They need to shift these motors on to dealers in more rural areas where there is a market and need for them. In many cases the dealerships are responsible for inappropriately selling these diesels in the first place so I’ve no regrets of the same dealers get stung a bit now with slow sales of them.

kerten

Wait until petrol cars killing the poor deers in forest or hybrid/electric batteries makes you cancer news then we will switch to air powered flying cars. We need Bazz for this thread about steering the crowd to spend money with fear of X, Y, Z

I agree that transition from diesel only mindset to one of the diesel, hybrid, electric, petrol options mindset is good direction but I hate the fact that this is driven by fear of additional taxes, high depreciation, etc.

bazz26

If you live in Dublin and work in Dublin I cannot for the life of me think why you would have ever benefited from driving a diesel unless it was a taxi and even that is questionable given the availability of hybrids. All that is happening now is that people who never wear suited to diesel cars are now switching back to alternatives.

However outside the pale where public transport and charging infrastructure are poor at best and non existent at worst, diesel will continue to have a purpose. What is't good is the various vested interests pushing an agenda of fear where the aim is to sell the next big ticket and generate tax revenue in the name of saving the planet, now that diesel is a dirty word.

TigerTim

There's a garage on the Naas road that I've bought a few cars from in the past. Hadn't check their stock of cars online for a few months until last week. They used to have about 90% diesel cars with the odd petrol motor. When I looked last week about 70% of the cars were petrol or hybrid. Some turn around.

T.

vectra

Just wondering where all these second hand petrol car are suddenly appearing from given the fact hardly any have been sold since 2008 ??

ArthurG

vectra wrote: »

Just wondering where all these second hand petrol car are suddenly appearing from given the fact hardly any have been sold since 2008 ??

Depends. I bought my current petrol car 3 years ago, and the dealer was mad to get me to take a diesel. I calculated the incremental cost versus saving in tax / fuel, and the premium would take about 10 years for me to break even.

I remember the dealer was starting at me like I was talking gibberish - it was clear that most people weren't thinking beyond that headline tax break.

KevinCavan

It seems that diesels are out of favour in the u.k., they are not holding their value second hand as much as petrol cars.

KevinCavan

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2018/0905/991819-electric-vehicles-the-car-industry-gets-serious/

ShadowHearth

I dont know. If I would be in a market to buy a car, I would just go and use the whole diesel panic to my own advantage. Just buy a nice speced diesel for a lot less. By the time whole big crack down happens it will be woryh **** all amyway. Same as current hybrids. With new technology older hybrids will just tank in value.

I personally just hate driving diesels, and nothing to do with being "green hipster". If I could, I would buy myself diesel just to take advantage of current panic.

colm_mcm

Fake news.

KevinCavan

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I dont know. If I would be in a market to buy a car, I would just go and use the whole diesel panic to my own advantage. Just buy a nice speced diesel for a lot less. By the time whole big crack down happens it will be woryh **** all amyway. Same as current hybrids. With new technology older hybrids will just tank in value.

I personally just hate driving diesels, and nothing to do with being "green hipster". If I could, I would buy myself diesel just to take advantage of current panic.

In a year’s time a nice 2litre u.k. diesel Audi might be the job, especially if the pound is weak on top of the anti diesel sentiment.

nim1bdeh38l2cw

KevinCavan wrote: »

In a year’s time a nice 2litre u.k. diesel Audi might be the job, especially if the pound is weak on top of the anti diesel sentiment.

The pound may be weak, but the fact that you'll have to fork out for VAT and Import Duty as well as VRT will wipe out any of that benefit.

lawred2

KevinCavan wrote: »

In a year’s time a nice 2litre u.k. diesel Audi might be the job, especially if the pound is weak on top of the anti diesel sentiment.

Britain will be outside the EU then so god knows what the cost will be to import cars from there

snowcat

Hayes Full Stenographer wrote: »

The pound may be weak, but the fact that you'll have to fork out for VAT and Import Duty as well as VRT will wipe out any of that benefit.

Diesel is dead and has been for a few years. The UK are dumping their unwanted diesels over here very successfully. Ireland has become the retirement home for tdi engines from the uk

Why anyone would want one is sheepish stuff. Noisy dirty and expensive to repair when they break down (often). Green party has a lot to answer for

The Bishop Basher

snowcat wrote: »

Noisy dirty and expensive to repair when they break down (often).

Just cause you got caught out buying crap cars doesn’t mean the rest of us did.

Many of us have been driving diesels for years without any hassle at all.

There’s a current thread on here now about some poor lad getting done on a private sale on a petrol. All cars can go wrong and cost money.

SCOOP 64

Will the motor tax be going up on Diesels?

bonkers67

Rennaws wrote: »

Just cause you got caught out buying crap cars doesn’t mean the rest of us did.

Many of us have been driving diesels for years without any hassle at all.

There’s a current thread on here now about some poor lad getting done on a private sale on a petrol. All cars can go wrong and cost money.

I’ve never had a problem with any diesels I’ve had.

bazz26

snowcat wrote: »

Diesel is dead and has been for a few years. The UK are dumping their unwanted diesels over here very successfully. Ireland has become the retirement home for tdi engines from the uk

Why anyone would want one is sheepish stuff. Noisy dirty and expensive to repair when they break down (often). Green party has a lot to answer for

What's really sheepish is the ejits who go out and buy what large corporations, the media and public opinion plant in their minds as what they should buy. 10 years ago it was diesels, now it's hybrids and EVs, sheep need to be guided either way on how they spend their money. Why didn't people shun diesels 5 or 6 years ago? Because diesel wasn't a dirty word back then, all that has changed is public opinion, along with large corporations whose main objective is to sell vehicles and governments whose main objective is generating tax revenue from people who buy and own vehicles.

It's a bit like Coke Zero or Diet Coke versus regular Coke. A lot of people drink Coke Zero/Diet Coke because they think it's better than regular Coke, no sugar and all that. The reality is that Coke Zero/Diet Coke has additives in it to make it taste nice which are probably as bad if not worse than the sugar in regular Coke. Thing is though the sheep feel better and made think they are doing the right thing because it's sugar free.

KevinCavan

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Will the motor tax be going up on Diesels?

You bet your bottom dollar they will, for some cheap votes.

bonkers67

KevinCavan wrote: »

You bet your bottom dollar they will, for some cheap votes.

They might lose more than they’ll gain if they do,

bazz26

How does that work considering there are probably more voters out there still driving diesels?

elperello

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Will the motor tax be going up on Diesels?

Makes no sense to increase tax on existing diesels.
They can't be magically disappeared so it would only be imposing hardship on the people who own them.

George Dalton

bazz26 wrote: »

What's really sheepish is the ejits who go out and buy what large corporations, the media and public opinion plant in their minds as what they should buy. 10 years ago it was diesels, now it's hybrids and EVs, sheep need to be guided either way on how they spend their money. Why didn't people shun diesels 5 or 6 years ago? Because diesel wasn't a dirty word back then, all that has changed is public opinion, along with large corporations whose main objective is to sell vehicles and governments whose main objective is generating tax revenue from people who buy and own vehicles.

I couldn’t agree more.

Just in the same way as the Dublin sheep all bought diesels after 2008 even though petrols were the better choice for them, now we are looking at the opposite situation where people who live in the country and for whom diesels are still the best option are afraid to buy them. All because of media scaremongering and bar stool/social media “experts”

KevinCavan

bazz26 wrote: »

How does that work considering there are probably more voters out there still driving diesels?

Because even the deisel drivers in the end will give in to populist nonsense. If deisels are unpopular in the mainstream media a lot of people will go along with that.

elperello

George Dalton wrote: »

I couldn’t agree more.

Just in the same way as the Dublin sheep all bought diesels after 2008 even though petrols were the better choice for them, now we are looking at the opposite situation where people who live in the country and for whom diesels are still the best option are afraid to buy them. All because of media scaremongering and bar stool/social media “experts”

All this uncertainty is bad for business.
What is needed is for the government to announce a strategy for what they propose to do over a 5-10 year period.

SCOOP 64

elperello wrote: »

Makes no sense to increase tax on existing diesels.
They can't be magically disappeared so it would only be imposing hardship on the people who own them.

Lucky we have Government that doesn't like causing hardship on people.

elperello

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Lucky we have Government that doesn't like causing hardship on people.

I can't see FF walking into a kind of "back to the future" mess reminiscent of the GP 2008 car tax debacle.

shamrock55

I own a diesel now and would have no problem buying a diesel again tbh

Wildly Boaring

shamrock55 wrote: »

I own a diesel now and would have no problem buying a diesel again tbh

Yep my next car will be a diesel and probably the one after too.

CeilingFly

snowcat wrote: »

Diesel is dead and has been for a few years. The UK are dumping their unwanted diesels over here very successfully. Ireland has become the retirement home for tdi engines from the uk

I always am amazed at people who actually believe that like peddled by the sensationalist media.

UK has 65 million people and about 32 million cars.

Ireland has less than 5 million people and about 2 million cars.

If every used car sold here was a UK import, it would barely be noticed in the uk market. We're not nearly as important as we think here.

SCOOP 64

Was in UK this summer notice no difference in price of diesel to petrol unlike here,
10 cent cheaper per litre then petrol here ,good mpg, cheap tax, why would people stop buying them here?

pearcider

I’ll never understand why the tax system was changed in 2009 to favour diesels. They are clearly filthy and worse for the environment and people’s health than petrols. To think anyone in the industry actually believed those emission figures from VW/nazi party is naive. Diesels are disgusting. Then again it’s Just another in a long line of bizarre policices by the Irish government presumably with some good old fashioned corruption at the heart of it. Or maybe it’s just the culchie centric civil service literally giving dubs cancer so the country folk can save a few euro on tax every year. Grotesque.

Grab All Association

Never stopped buying petrol saloons. Everyone (even on here) suggested I get a diesel or dee shill as it’s pronounced here in the mid west to replace my aging 2.0 Mk4 Mondeo.
Got the Octavia RS 2.0TSI very cheap to tax and insure with 123RSA. Actually I was quoted higher on a diesel Passat. Think liberty quoted me over €2000 ffs. If there wasn’t so many idiots on the road 123 would’ve done TPFT for under €400. Paying just under €800 fully comp with them. Road tax is €390. Not the only person with a RS either around here. There’s at least 2 in Thurles town centre. White and blue. Absolutely delighted to see 1.8> petrols making a comeback. Ironically cars built by VW group.

John_Rambo

Anyone that didn't see this coming on the last year has been asleep at the wheel.

Still people rushing out to buy the newest VW diesel on PCP... Absolutely bonkers, how much less than the "estimated" will these cars be in five years time??

lawred2

The VW/Nazi party

/Thread

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Grab All Association wrote: »

Never stopped buying petrol saloons. Everyone (even on here) suggested I get a diesel or dee shill as it’s pronounced here in the mid west to replace my aging 2.0 Mk4 Mondeo.
Got the Octavia RS 2.0TSI very cheap to tax and insure with 123RSA. Actually I was quoted higher on a diesel Passat. Think liberty quoted me over €2000 ffs. If there wasn’t so many idiots on the road 123 would’ve done TPFT for under €400. Paying just under €800 fully comp with them. Road tax is €390. Not the only person with a RS either around here. There’s at least 2 in Thurles town centre. White and blue. Absolutely delighted to see 1.8> petrols making a comeback. Ironically cars built by VW group.

When they said buy a diesel in the mid whest they meant a tractor.

Don't know why you wouldn't, you look too out of place in a car there.

John_Rambo

lawred2 wrote: »

The VW/Nazi party

/Thread

I'm just using VW as an example and because the diesel models are so popular, reliable and dependable here in Ireland.

I'm not in a Nazi party nor do I have anything against VW. In fact I've owned a few..

Grab All Association

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

When they said buy a diesel in the mid whest they meant a tractor.

Don't know why you wouldn't, you look too out of place in a car there.

I always respond to them that their A4’s Passats and Octavia’s are just glorified tractors. I actually had to go to a dealer in Dublin for my car it’s that bad around here.

Mongfinder General

Is there any chance of a diesel scrappsge scheme in the budget?

KevinCavan

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm just using VW as an example and because the diesel models are so popular, reliable and dependable here in Ireland.

I'm not in a Nazi party nor do I have anything against VW. In fact I've owned a few..

Ah come off it you hate Jews!;-)

vectra

bazz26 wrote: »

It's a bit like Coke Zero or Diet Coke versus regular Coke. A lot of people drink Coke Zero/Diet Coke because they think it's better than regular Coke, no sugar and all that. The reality is that Coke Zero/Diet Coke has additives in it to make it taste nice which are probably as bad if not worse than the sugar in regular Coke. Thing is though the sheep feel better and made think they are doing the right thing because it's sugar free.

Ah here now,
That is total rubbish talk
I much prefer Diet Coke to Real Coke as I much prefer the taste, and for absolutely no other reason.

TimeToShine

bazz26 wrote: »

snowcat wrote: »

Diesel is dead and has been for a few years. The UK are dumping their unwanted diesels over here very successfully. Ireland has become the retirement home for tdi engines from the uk

Why anyone would want one is sheepish stuff. Noisy dirty and expensive to repair when they break down (often). Green party has a lot to answer for

What's really sheepish is the ejits who go out and buy what large corporations, the media and public opinion plant in their minds as what they should buy. 10 years ago it was diesels, now it's hybrids and EVs, sheep need to be guided either way on how they spend their money. Why didn't people shun diesels 5 or 6 years ago? Because diesel wasn't a dirty word back then, all that has changed is public opinion, along with large corporations whose main objective is to sell vehicles and governments whose main objective is generating tax revenue from people who buy and own vehicles.

It's a bit like Coke Zero or Diet Coke versus regular Coke. A lot of people drink Coke Zero/Diet Coke because they think it's better than regular Coke, no sugar and all that. The reality is that Coke Zero/Diet Coke has additives in it to make it taste nice which are probably as bad if not worse than the sugar in regular Coke. Thing is though the sheep feel better and made think they are doing the right thing because it's sugar free.

You are spot on but the Coke/Diet Coke analogy isn't very apt here. The latter quite literally has zero calories meaning it doesn't contribute directly to obesity and there are no scientific studies that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that aspartame causes cancer. Regular coke, as we know, is full of sugar which is proven to cause a whole host of problems. I can say with 100% certainty that Diet and Zero are "healthier" than the regular version. In this case a more relevant analogy might be the whole fat/low fat/zero fat debacle.

lawred2

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'm just using VW as an example and because the diesel models are so popular, reliable and dependable here in Ireland.

I'm not in a Nazi party nor do I have anything against VW. In fact I've owned a few..

Wasn't you that said it..

colm_mcm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Anyone that didn't see this coming on the last year has been asleep at the wheel.

Still people rushing out to buy the newest VW diesel on PCP... Absolutely bonkers, how much less than the "estimated" will these cars be in five years time??

PCP is 3 years, and the guaranteed minimum future value is just that. There’s no indication that they’ll only be worth that after 3 years - as opposed to say Nissan Leafs and BMW i3s....

Also, 42% of new VWs sold this year were petrol - up from 30% last year, so nearly a 50% increase.

Don’t let the facts get in the way.....

KevinCavan

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Is there any chance of a diesel scrappsge scheme in the budget?

Just saw an extra carbon charge is to affect motoring.

KevinCavan

KevinCavan wrote: »

Just saw an extra carbon charge is to affect motoring.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/budget-to-hike-fuel-cigarettes-and-hotel-vat-rate-872915.html

KevinCavan

How long will it be before some politician/ city councilor will get the “brainwave,” to ban older model diesel cars from Dublin city centre?

KevinCavan

John_Rambo wrote: »

Anyone that didn't see this coming on the last year has been asleep at the wheel.

Still people rushing out to buy the newest VW diesel on PCP... Absolutely bonkers, how much less than the "estimated" will these cars be in five years time??

Most of these “Jeepy/ crossover/people carrier” thingies are diesel I’d imagine. The ones that are all the rage.