Looking forward to budget.

Xcellor

Glad to see measures to help the squeezed middle. Increases on the price of fuels and coal etc. Those who are forced to move further away from their jobs because they can't afford accommodation end up getting hit because there is no viable alternative than to drive.

I'm expecting this budget will put a few euro back in one pocket while robbing a few notes from the other.

https://www.independent.ie/business/budget/diesel-coal-and-cigarettes-everything-we-know-about-budget-2019-so-far-37375162.html

*sarcasm alert*

Kuva

Xcellor wrote: »

Glad to see measures to help the squeezed middle. Increases on the price of fuels and coal etc. Those who are forced to move further away from their jobs because they can't afford accommodation end up getting hit because there is no viable alternative than to drive.

I'm expecting this budget will put a few euro back in one pocket while robbing a few notes from the other.

https://www.independent.ie/business/budget/diesel-coal-and-cigarettes-everything-we-know-about-budget-2019-so-far-37375162.html

Sarcasm or I'm confused.

Same as evey other year, rich get richer etc, HSE will squander billions while getting worse etc

Your Face

2.6 Billion in public sector pay hikes.

I'd like to see the break down of that, if actually true.

SteM

Can someone explain this line to me please?

The Government has €3.4bn for new spending next year, but €2.6bn of this has already been committed for public sector pay hikes and demographics.

What does 'and demographics' mean in this context?

Xcellor

The Government is also likely to push the line that Ireland is viewed as lagging behind when it comes to actively tackling climate change.

Carbon tax is used internationally as a way of changing habits and encouraging people to use more green energy.

What "carbon tax" is being levied towards farming given its large contribution to emissions. Is "green diesel" going to be taxed? Is the production of animals going to be levied too?

Why is changing habits only about what motor vehicle people drive and not what food we consume? Tax on high carbon + environmentally unfriendly foods...

TheValeyard

Just hope they use some lube when then fcuk me over again.

Emme

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Just hope they use some lube when then fcuk me over again.

The bad news is that they won't use lube because they have given themselves another pay hike so won't be able to afford lube when they screw over the general public.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Quote:

Quote "The Government is also likely to push the line that Ireland is viewed as lagging behind when it comes to actively tackling climate change.

Carbon tax is used internationally as a way of changing habits and encouraging people to use more green energy"

Except in this country carbon tax is used as means of clawing back the paltry few euro they give back with absolutely zero other initiatives to encourage greener vehicle or energy use.

Carbon tax should be outlawed by Europe when its just another tax. The government have spent next to nothing on encouraging EV's or providing more charging points. I wouldn't buy an EV as the scant few charging points ALWAYS have a car parked in them when ever I pass them. The government couldn't care less about green or environmental issues, theyre only interested in taking more money off people.

mikemac2

The rush to buy cigarettes before midnight

The publicans & hotels raising their prices immediately but if tax was ever cut they cry we bought the stock already bla bla

Should be a right cracker.

kneemos

SteM wrote: »

Can someone explain this line to me please?



What does 'and demographics' mean in this context?

Incremental payments maybe.

Under His Eye

A week early.

BIGT4464

SteM wrote: »

Can someone explain this line to me please?

The Government has €3.4bn for new spending next year, but €2.6bn of this has already been committed for public sector pay hikes and demographics.

What does 'and demographics' mean in this context?

OAP's

Idbatterim

It’s hilarious, during the last boom, they had billions to throw everywhere each budget. Now because of massive budget demands from most departments, the minuscule tax decreases and even welfare hikes, though im against them , wouldn’t even cover inflation!

Budget 2018 a worker on e30k received a e1.50 a week usc cut, while welfare wasters received a e5 week! Expect more of the same in budget 2019! Varadkar doing what he does best , ie lying!

Mrs OBumble

BIGT4464 wrote: »

OAP's

Greater numbers of them as the population ages.

Idbatterim

BIGT4464 wrote: »

OAP's

The independent alliance now want oap exempted from lpt. Fg ff are concerned about just how vocal the ia are for pensioners and their to hell with everyone position. That’s saying something coming from fg and ff who will both want the pensioners vote and bend over backwards for it ...

Kevin Finnerty

Any chance of introducing a pyjama/dressing gown tax?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Christ. If it’s 2.6B a year and increasing we are screwed.

Idbatterim

Ff can get stuffed with their 2/1 sprnfing v tax cuts. It should be fifty / fifty. If I had my way, it would only be tax cuts. The departments value for money is appalling , simply freeze it and watch them get better use of the fortunes they are handed!

Idbatterim

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Christ. If it’s 2.6B a year and increasing we are screwed.

Yeah I’m concerned the exact same mistakes are being made , maybe a bit more restrained this time. But what happens it the **** hits the fan this time? Last time national debt was minuscule, this time it’s off the wall. Even with the booming economy, many are increasingly worse off ... of the **** hits the fan again , lol if they need another bailout. They would certainly have to make hard decisions next time round , unlike last time !

Fann Linn

SW increases I'd say for those who can't/don't want to work.

runawaybishop

Your Face wrote: »

2.6 Billion in public sector pay hikes.

I'd like to see the break down of that, if actually true.

Pay restoration, .5% for people under 30k in Jan, 1.75% for everyone in September as well as the new entrant adjustments.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Idbatterim wrote: »

Yeah I’m concerned the exact same mistakes are being made , maybe a bit more restrained this time. But what happens it the **** hits the fan this time? Last time national debt was minuscule, this time it’s off the wall. Even with the booming economy, many are increasingly worse off ... of the **** hits the fan again , lol if they need another bailout. They would certainly have to make hard decisions next time round , unlike last time !

Hard decisions on pensions will, I guarantee you, affect future pensioners. Us.

Franz Von Peppercorn

runawaybishop wrote: »

Pay restoration, .5% for people under 30k in Jan, 1.75% for everyone in September as well as the new entrant adjustments.

Hmm. Well let’s hope that’s most of the 2.6B and is a once off.

Idbatterim

Fann Linn wrote: »

SW increases I'd say for those who can't/don't want to work.

We have defence forces personnel amongst others, paid a pittance. Nurses and doctors rightfully leaving the country in droves. Working people. Low income earners over e34k losing half their salary over that amount, insane anti worker, anti enterprise rates. Rubbish infrastructure, massive national debt. I think it’s fair to ask why the over the top world class welfare rates should be hiked one F*cking red cent , given the state of affairs here !

runawaybishop

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Hmm. Well let’s hope that’s most of the 2.6B and is a once off.

More pay restoration in 2020 and 2021, it's in the pay and pension act 2017.

Emme

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The government couldn't care less about green or environmental issues, theyre only interested in taking more money off people.

The longer people sit in traffic and the more people commute long distances to work the higher the potential tax take for carbon taxes. Also anyone who uses public transport will be hit (except free travel pass holders of course). My annual rail ticket has gone up something like €300 per annum. It's a win-win for the government. Add to this the ridiculous time it's taking for the 3rd lane to be added to the M7 - more travel time, more carbon tax.

The government are screwing taxpayers to the hilt and giving them nothing in return while giving OAPs, single parents and those on jobseekers' allowance more every budget. Is this because taxpayers are too wrecked from working to go and vote in elections or else they are on the road and can't get to polling stations? OAPs and those not working have plenty of time to go and vote. The government seems to be planning its budget policies using this logic.

runawaybishop wrote: »

More pay restoration in 2020 and 2021, it's in the pay and pension act 2017.

For many this is not in line with inflation and despite popular opinion not all public servants are guaranteed increments.

People attack teachers, nurses, firefighters, hospital, council, corporation and university workers when public service pay increases are mentioned but the reality is most of it goes to Leinster House (they've awarded themselves a pay rise already) while the rest of us get a paltry 1 or if we're lucky 2 per cent which isn't in line with inflation and certainly isn't in line with the extra taxes they keep saddling us with.

Flippyfloppy

They know well the majority of people have diesels these days because we're all so broke. Cheers government!!

runawaybishop

Emme wrote: »

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People attack teachers, nurses, firefighters, hospital, council, corporation and university workers when public service pay increases are mentioned but the reality is most of it goes to Leinster House (they've awarded themselves a pay rise already) while the rest of us get a paltry 1 or 2 per cent which isn't in line with inflation and certainly isn't in line with the extra taxes they keep saddling us with.

What's the wage bill for Leinster house, how many billions?

TDs are paid on point 5 of the principal officer in the civil service scale. Pay restoration means they get a bump along with every other civil servant in the country. AFAIK Varadker and co have not accepted the bump.

Franz Von Peppercorn

runawaybishop wrote: »

What's the wage bill for Leinster house, how many billions?

TDs are paid on point 5 of the principal officer in the civil service scale. Pay restoration means they get a bump along with every other civil servant in the country. AFAIK Varadker and co have not accepted the bump.

Yes, they hit the same 1% as the rest.

Idbatterim

How many of us will be getting a f**cking Christmas bonus?! The young and relatively are being hammered to pay for the decades of pensioner buy offs and they continue to do it. And then you have those whom some class as “the vulnerable “ the wasters with guaranteed incomes, no job, no commute, no stress, no debt or serious debt anyway.

I reckon it will come to a head, that the continual decline in living standards for many , to keep the other group nice and cosy , won’t be tolerated forever!

ednwireland

we are losing people to the public sector as an sme cant compete with the salaries , flexi hours, holidays, career breaks.

tried myself but getting too old now !

badtoro

Xcellor wrote: »

The Government is also likely to push the line that Ireland is viewed as lagging behind when it comes to actively tackling climate change.

Carbon tax is used internationally as a way of changing habits and encouraging people to use more green energy.

What "carbon tax" is being levied towards farming given its large contribution to emissions. Is "green diesel" going to be taxed? Is the production of animals going to be levied too?

Why is changing habits only about what motor vehicle people drive and not what food we consume? Tax on high carbon + environmentally unfriendly foods...

Tax the hell out of the importation of avocados.

Cordell

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Just hope they use some lube when then fcuk me over again.

They will change you carbon tax for the lube.

lmimmfn

Will be like last year, usual crap, give 5 euro a month in tax cuts take 25euro a month on something mandatory like fuel or heating

They should cut welfare payments. There is no incentive to get jobs for the long-term unemployed!

Emme

Idbatterim wrote: »

I reckon it will come to a head, that the continual decline in living standards for many , to keep the other group nice and cosy , won’t be tolerated forever!

They're hedging that those who are working are too exhausted and ground down to stand up and demand justice so they keep placating the other lot who have feck all else to do but ask for more on top of what they already have.

I know we can't afford to do this, but today I was thinking if ALL workers (those in unions, those not in unions, the self-employed/SMEs) got together and downed tools for a week and sacrificed a weeks pay the government would be in deep s*** from the loss of revenue income. Even for a week.

Then again there could be a more sinister agenda to the budget policy of buttering up the welfare classes and punishing the taxpayer. This could drive a wedge between those in employment and those who are not while in the meantime worker and unemployed alike are struggling to put roofs over their heads. Maybe they hope those who are working will direct their anger towards those who are not working instead of rightly towards the government.

This was the policy used by the government during the last recession when they cut the wages of all public servants (well really those at the bottom, those at the top managed to sneak back their full salaries or avoid the cuts altogether) and used the national media to make scapegoats of all public servants to deflect blame from themselves. Up until then permanent pensionable "jobs for life" were seen as options for losers.

Do not let the government shift the blame for their disastrous decisions and housing policy onto any other group of people.

ednwireland wrote: »

we are losing people to the public sector as an sme cant compete with the salaries , flexi hours, holidays, career breaks.

tried myself but getting too old now !

SMEs have always got a raw deal. Rather than foster home-grown enterprise and create employment locally the government would rather give tax-breaks to international corporations. SMEs are probably losing people to international corporations as well.

Graces7

Idbatterim wrote: »

How many of us will be getting a f**cking Christmas bonus?! The young and relatively are being hammered to pay for the decades of pensioner buy offs and they continue to do it. And then you have those whom some class as “the vulnerable “ the wasters with guaranteed incomes, no job, no commute, no stress, no debt or serious debt anyway.

I reckon it will come to a head, that the continual decline in living standards for many , to keep the other group nice and cosy , won’t be tolerated forever!

Interesting idea :eek:

Franz Von Peppercorn

In a post union world no general strike is possible.

And the unions, when they were composed of more private sector workers than public sector workers, actually marched for tax cuts.

noodler

SteM wrote: »

Can someone explain this line to me please?



What does 'and demographics' mean in this context?

About 1.5bn is for precommited capital expenditure.

About 400 for demographcis (biggest is more people becoming eligible for state pension).

PS pay is 300-400.

Full year impact of previous budget measures another couple of hundred of million (can't bring in welfare/pension increases in March and not expect a larger full year cost the following year).

For Forks Sake

Emme wrote: »

People attack teachers, nurses, firefighters, hospital, council, corporation and university workers when public service pay increases are mentioned but the reality is most of it goes to Leinster House (they've awarded themselves a pay rise already) while the rest of us get a paltry 1 or if we're lucky 2 per cent which isn't in line with inflation and certainly isn't in line with the extra taxes they keep saddling us with.

This isn't remotely true - TD's pay is no longer decided by the house (mostly thanks to the sort of sh1tehawkery that went on in Berties day) - their increase is linked to civil service rates now so any increase is directly in line.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1020/825582-fempi-payments/

http://www.thejournal.ie/td-salary-increase-3023376-Oct2016/

Feisar

Deleted User wrote: »

They should cut welfare payments. There is no incentive to get jobs for the long-term unemployed!

However there is incentive for us to keep paying them. It keeps crime at a reasonable level.

Idbatterim

Feisar wrote: »

However there is incentive for us to keep paying them. It keeps crime at a reasonable level.

LOL! LAUGH OUT LOUD!

Ace2007

Emme wrote: »

People attack teachers, nurses, firefighters, hospital, council, corporation and university workers when public service pay increases are mentioned but the reality is most of it goes to Leinster House (they've awarded themselves a pay rise already) while the rest of us get a paltry 1 or if we're lucky 2 per cent which isn't in line with inflation and certainly isn't in line with the extra taxes they keep saddling us with.

this pay rise that you talk about is the same pay rise that all public sector workers are getting. They aren't just giving it to themselves.

Ace2007

Deleted User wrote: »

They should cut welfare payments. There is no incentive to get jobs for the long-term unemployed!

I think that the welfare payments should introduce and new tier, one that if your on the dole for more than 3 years (in this current economic climate), that you should be given the same benefits as those seeking asylum

They receive €21.60 per week, they do not get rent supplement and there are put wherever the government sees fit - whether that is Dingle, Douglas or Dalkey.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

Idbatterim

Deleted User wrote: »

They should cut welfare payments. There is no incentive to get jobs for the long-term unemployed!

While I totally agree, this is Ireland we are talking about! It will never happen unless they target everyone in society, as it would be "unfair." Even freezing them as I propose, so that we can pay essential state workers reasonable pay and not thieve 50% off low income workers over E34,500, thats far too radical. No just carry on...

Fr_Dougal

I don’t want any tax cuts, by the time it trickles down it won’t amount to much anyhow. Spend it on infrastructure instead, decent regular public transport.

Likewise, no increase in social welfare. Put that money towards education/skills grants for the unemployed.

Idbatterim

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I don’t want any tax cuts, by the time it trickles down it won’t amount to much anyhow. Spend it on infrastructure instead, decent regular public transport.

Likewise, no increase in social welfare. Put that money towards education/skills grants for the unemployed.

have you noticed something about this country? the infrastructure is near third world, other than the decent road network. Yet IR and luas staff pay is world class, not a chance, the spend would no doubt be used to further boost their outrageous pay and packages!

Ace2007

Idbatterim wrote: »

have you noticed something about this country? the infrastructure is near third world, other than the decent road network. Yet IR and luas staff pay is world class, not a chance, the spend would no doubt be used to further boost their outrageous pay and packages!

I take it you've never been to a third world country - been a little bit more than dramatic with that comment.

Luas is run by a private operator last time I checked so they can pay whatever they wanted. Problem is thought they serve the public and can strike their way to more money and don't give a sh!t who they annoy. The majority of people who serve the public could do the same, except the majority won't play the nuclear card cause they think of others.

Dude89

Ace2007 wrote: »

I think that the welfare payments should introduce and new tier, one that if your on the dole for more than 3 years (in this current economic climate), that you should be given the same benefits as those seeking asylum

They receive €21.60 per week, they do not get rent supplement and there are put wherever the government sees fit - whether that is Dingle, Douglas or Dalkey.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

And when they come out of direct provision they receive a free house, social welfare , child welfare, grants, free education, the vast majority of Asylum claims are rejected and instead are given leave to remain VISAS. Vast majority are lifestyle seekers in my opinion

Ace2007

Dude89 wrote: »

And when they come out of direct provision they receive a free house, social welfare , child welfare, grants, free education, the vast majority of Asylum claims are rejected and instead are given leave to remain VISAS. Vast majority are lifestyle seekers in my opinion

I'm not talking about them, I said that we should adopt the same welfare payments that they get when on asylum. After all if he's good enough for many who want to better themselves with education/work, then it should be good enough for those who have no interest in contributing to society. You would soon be finding a job if you knew your SW was going to be cut to €21.60 a week.