Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

Try_harder

Wilder Points

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Here's how I'd score it:

10-9
9-10
10-9
10-9
10-9
10-9
10-9
10-9
8-10
10-9
10-9
8-10

115-111

Even if you find another 10-9 round for Wilder, it still would be an easy win for Tyson.

So even tho al 3 judges gave Wilder the 1st- you dont

Sebastian Dangerfield

Wilder Points

Anyone else think the count was a little slow?

Try_harder

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Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Anyone else think the count was a little slow?

Harry Kane could think faster...

walshb

Wilder Points

nacho libre wrote: »

I do.

I don't believe Joshua will land regularly on Fury. Joshua does not possess the single punch power of Wilder to knock Fury out.

I cannot see how you think this..

How do you know that single shot power is so clear in Wilder’s favor?

Have you measured it?

Their KO record, which is just a statistic is very close...

The shots that AJ finished AP with were more powerful and clean IMO than what dropped Tyson in rd 12 tonight...watch the tapes..

walshb

Wilder Points

Morrison J wrote: »

I hope tonight is the last we ever hear of Steve Cunningham's name. The most irrelevant knockdown ever. You'll literally have to pin Fury down to the canvas to knock him down.

Keep him down, you mean?

I’ll ask you....

AJs punches that took AP out...you think Wilder’s shots tonight were cleaner/heavier?

normanoffside

Draw

I had it 8-4 to Fury and with the two knockdowns that has him winning by 2 points.
For an even scorecard I only have to find one more round to Wilder (which is not out of the question) so a draw is not unfair. The Mexican’s card is a joke though.

Anyway the knockdowns really hurt fury because he would have won both rounds 10-9 without them, so each KD is a 3 point swing into an 8-10 round.

Outlaw Pete

Try_harder wrote: »

So even tho al 3 judges gave Wilder the 1st- you dont

Nope, and neither did many on here watching, scroll back.

It was tight round but Fury won that round for me with his right counter at the death but like I said, even with another 10-9 (give him that round if you like) he still doesn't win.

Where's the fifth round he won? Not a chance. Really bad call by that judge.

Try_harder

Wilder Points

Tapes... proper old school

walshb

Wilder Points

Rds 1 I gave to Wilder...Fury had a good last flurry, but up to that, Wilder won the rd.

Try_harder

Wilder Points

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nope, and neither did many on here watching, scroll back.

It was tight round but Fury won that round for me with his right counter at the death but like I said, even with another 10-9 (give him that round if you like) he still doesn't win.

Where's the fifth round he won? Not a chance. Really bad call by that judge.

Its now 1 round. 8 could be given to Wilder.

normanoffside

Draw

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Nope, and neither did many on here watching, scroll back.

It was tight round but Fury won that round for me with his right counter at the death but like I said, even with another 10-9 (give him that round if you like) he still doesn't win.

Where's the fifth round he won? Not a chance. Really bad call by that judge.

I gave Wilder 2 and 4. The first was close.
2 of the judges gave Wilder the 7th as well so I would have to look at that one again.
A draw is not outrageous.

Try_harder

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

Rds 1 I gave to Wilder...Fury had a good last flurry, but up to that, Wilder won the rd.

Round 12 is 10-8 had to be

Try_harder

Wilder Points

normanoffside wrote: »

I gave Wilder 2 and 4. The first was close.
2 of the judges gave Wilder the 7th as well so I would have to look at that one again.
A draw is not outrageous.

That is all I am saying

Too Tough To Die

Fury Points

walshb wrote: »

I cannot see how you think this..

How do you know that single shot power is so clear in Wilder’s favor?

Have you measured it?

Their KO record, which is just a statistic is very close...

The shots that AJ finished AP with were more powerful and clean IMO than what dropped Tyson in rd 12 tonight...watch the tapes..

Go watch their stoppages and note how many of Wilder's fights end with the opponent on their back, and how many of Joshua's end with the opponent on their feet taking shots and not throwing back. Report back.

darced

Tyson is singing American pie at the press conference...lol

Outlaw Pete

Try_harder wrote: »

Its now 1 round. 8 could be given to Wilder.

Round 8 wasn't close. Fury comprehensibly outboxed him.


I'm off to bed. Really enjoyable fight anyway. Certainly be interested in seeing a rematch.

blade1

Wilder Points

darced wrote: »

Tyson is singing American pie at the press conference...lol

Worse things have happened at sea :pac:

Try_harder

Wilder Points

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Round 8 wasn't close. Fury comprehensibly outboxed him.


I'm off to bed. Really enjoyable fight anyway. Certainly be interested in a rematch.

Cant wait for the rematch Wilder v Fury & Jesus

Try_harder

Wilder Points

blade1 wrote: »

Worse things have happened at sea :pac:

Better than that fooking country song

Mookie Blaylock

Wilder Points

Try_harder wrote: »

Cant wait for the rematch Wilder v Fury & Jesus

Is that the name of the Mexican judge?

Try_harder

Wilder Points

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

Is that the name of the Mexican judge?

No its the name of the guy that lifted Fury off the canvas!

walshb

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Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Go watch their stoppages and note how many of Wilder's fights end with the opponent on their back, and how many of Joshua's end with the opponent on their feet taking shots and not throwing back. Report back.

And you report back when you have this clear proof that Wilder hits harder...

Also, I will ask you....in relation to this fight, are you saying that AJ would not generate the power that Wilder generates in rd 12 to drop Fury?

Watch more of Wilder and you will see he has landed heavier and cleaner in previous fights..

No issue with anyone saying AJ or Wilder hits harder than the other...they both are very heavy handed. That is the point..

But....punching wise, AJ is clearly the bettter overall puncher...if folks cannot see this they have no clue about punching...

Morrison J

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

Ah come off it now. He is chinny. He gets dropped and hurt...

Even as a fan you can’t deny this...

Yes, he has bounced back, but so have plenty of chinny fighters. He does not take a punch that good...

Had AJ been in there he would have been wiped out...

Just because he got up, barely at the end doesn’t change anything...

He will not get away with that all the time... Wilder just hadn’t the finishing gas or ability...

He just went 12 rounds with the biggest P4P puncher in the sport. He definitely isn't chinny. He wasn't even hurt by the first knockdown. More a balance shot than anything.

AJ won't wipe him out. Did you see AJ fight Parker? How many clean punches did AJ land?

Mookie Blaylock

Wilder Points

Fury in the presser is sure there will be a second fight

blade1

Wilder Points

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

Fury in the presser is sure there will be a second fight

Is anyone not?

Try_harder

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What a great end to a great night

Mookie Blaylock

Wilder Points

blade1 wrote: »

Is anyone not?

Wilder?

walshb

Wilder Points

Morrison J wrote: »

He just went 12 rounds with the biggest P4P puncher in the sport. He definitely isn't chinny. He wasn't even hurt by the first knockdown. More a balance shot than anything.

AJ won't wipe him out. Did you see AJ fight Parker? How many clean punches did AJ land?

I agree. First KD was odd. Not really hurt.

Still think overall he is chinny, even agreeing with you on recuperation..

In other words, you’d not have confidence at all in the chin against big hitters like you would with say an Ali or another steel chinned HW

You need to look at his career. Dropped, wobbled and badly hurt several times...

Sebastian Dangerfield

Wilder Points

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

Fury in the presser is sure there will be a second fight

Hearn said there was a rematch clause if Fury won which would rule Wilder out for April. Dont know how a draw impacts that.

Its probably the biggest money fight for Wilder though, despite the risks. AJ will fight Whyte, who else is there? If he wants exposure in America, hes not going to get it fighting Breazele

Mookie Blaylock

Wilder Points

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Hearn said there was a rematch clause if Fury won which would rule Wilder out for April. Dont know how a draw impacts that.

Its probably the biggest money fight for Wilder though, despite the risks. AJ will fight Whyte, who else is there? If he wants exposure in America, hes not going to get it fighting Breazele

I think Wilder v Fury 2 happens by May...... AJ to fight Big Baby.....he's making a lot of noise in the press and it would be the most interesting fight for AJ (not the best)

Morrison J

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

I agree. First KD was odd. Not really hurt.

Still think overall he is chinny, even agreeing with you on recuperation..

In other words, you’d not have confidence at all in the chin against big hitters like you would with say an Ali or another steel chinned HW

You need to look at his career. Dropped, wobbled and badly hurt several times...

Tonight was the first time I'd say he was ever what I'd call badly hurt. He was unconscious but came back and was on the front foot by the end of the same round. He's a freak when it comes to recuperation. Larry Holmes-esque

Morrison J

Wilder Points

AJ wants nothing to do with these two till 2020 at the earliest. Not sure why anyone is even giving him the time of day on here. Give the two fighters who are willing to dare to be great their due.

Morrison J

Wilder Points

Also hope this performance adds some credence to Fury's win over Wlad. It was simply not an off not by Klitschko. Fury is just that good.

I honestly don't know how anyone can watch him go 24 rounds against the two biggest punchers in the heavyweight division and not be anything but massively impressed. He's quite comfortably the best heavyweight alive today.

Sebastian Dangerfield

Wilder Points

Morrison J wrote: »

AJ wants nothing to do with these two till 2020 at the earliest. Not sure why anyone is even giving him the time of day on here. Give the two fighters who are willing to dare to be great their due.

Im not certain about AJ, but Hearn definitely doesnt want to risk his Wembley cash cow. Tonight makes it a bit harder to avoid them though, I think.

And if Usyk transitions to HW well, he wont be put within an asses roar of AJ either. Id expect him to fight Whyte and Miller next year

veganrun

Do BT show the fight on their normal channels (non Box office) a few days later like Sky do?

Try_harder

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veganrun wrote: »

Do BT show the fight on their normal channels (non Box office) a few days later like Sky do?

Presume it will be on BoxNation or BT soon enough

yourdeadwright

Draw

Hearn will not take the Wilder fight to risky for his cash cow,

Great fight last night I felt Fury won and quite obviously, I know it was close and he was a hair fro getting ko'd but felt he simply won more rounds,

A rematch would be very interesting s Wilder now knows how it feels to be in there with Fury but Fury will be a lot fitter and stronger in the rematch,

I felt Fury only got caught as he started to tire,

Good fight though which was great to see,

Morrison J

Wilder Points

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Im not certain about AJ, but Hearn definitely doesnt want to risk his Wembley cash cow. Tonight makes it a bit harder to avoid them though, I think.

And if Usyk transitions to HW well, he wont be put within an asses roar of AJ either. Id expect him to fight Whyte and Miller next year

I think tonight changes a lot. I'm not sure a Joshua-Wilder fight makes financial sense for Wembley anymore. I think if any of the three fight each other it may have to be Vegas unless Joshua is happy to take a hit to have it on home soil. Joshua-Wilder does massive US PPV numbers now.

Cyrus

walshb wrote: »

I agree. First KD was odd. Not really hurt.

Still think overall he is chinny, even agreeing with you on recuperation..

In other words, you’d not have confidence at all in the chin against big hitters like you would with say an Ali or another steel chinned HW

You need to look at his career. Dropped, wobbled and badly hurt several times...

You must see aj as chinny also?

Sebastian Dangerfield

Wilder Points

Morrison J wrote: »

I think tonight changes a lot. I'm not sure a Joshua-Wilder fight makes financial sense for Wembley anymore. I think if any of the three fight each other it may have to be Vegas unless Joshua is happy to take a hit to have it on home soil. Joshua-Wilder does massive US PPV numbers now.

Theyre going to have to get AJ out of the UK for that to happen. He's obviously a huge name this side of the water but for all Matchrooms talk of AJ being the A side, Im not sure hes a massive US draw unless he fights there first. I definitely dont think Wilder will be his US debut, which may be where Miller comes in

Morrison J

Wilder Points

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Theyre going to have to get AJ out of the UK for that to happen. He's obviously a huge name this side of the water but for all Matchrooms talk of AJ being the A side, Im not sure hes a massive US draw unless he fights there first. I definitely dont think Wilder will be his US debut, which may be where Miller comes in

Yep Miller is a cert. I think AJ will fight Whyte in April and then make his US Debut against Miller in the Autumn. Really can't see him stepping up till 2020 at the earliest.

Mantis Toboggan

Draw

First off great to see two heavies going at it, we need more of the best vs the best in all divisions.

Dissapointed for Fury thought he gave an excellent performance all things considered. Thought he snuck it but a draw isn't complete robbery imo, considering the two 10-8 rounds Wilder just had to win two more which I think he won the first and a couple more were close.

Fight pretty much went as we all expected, Fury schooling him with wilder having the dynamite fists looking for the KO. How Tyson got up in the 12th I'll never know but as he's often said if you want to knock him out you'll have to nail him to the canvas.

This fight was probably always going to a rematch anyway. You'd have to think the Fight brought Tyson on much more and he shook off alot of the rust. Having said that it gave Wilder a good opportunity to try work out the awkward style. Hopefully the rematch will go ahead, Fury needs it to keep focused and not go off the deep end again.

walshb

Wilder Points

Cyrus wrote: »

You must see aj as chinny also?

I have made several points on his chin...

Yes, not really confident/sold on his chin...

I would have more confidence in it than Fury’s..

Subcomandante Marcos

Draw

Had it 114-112 Fury myself. Whatever judge had it wilder by 4 needs to never be let near a professional fight again and I think the draw call was someone playing the home crowd but couldn't justify giving Wilder the win so played it safe.

Subcomandante Marcos

Draw

Try_harder wrote: »

Round 12 is 10-8 had to be

I had 9 and 12 as 10-8, although I think giving 9 as a 10-8 is generous.

I had Fury winning 8 rounds and wilder winning 4 with 2 10-8's.

Auroras_encore

Fury by four but I'm not impressed wilder is a woeful boxer, Joshua will beat both

anthonyjmaher

I'd planned on getting a HD copy of this and watching properly, but YouTube notifications spoiling this on me at about 7.30. So I watched it.

Very impressed with both guys. Wilder was patient, made himself elusive, two good knockdowns. Fury, impressed by his fitness (given where he's come from), and unbelievably brave and strong to come back from that second knockdown. The video I watched of the fight (which was highlights) seemed to have it for Wilder, but most of you seem to have it for Fury.

What a fight to re-ignite the heavyweight division though. Most exciting fight I've ever seen a Fury in be that Tyson, Hughie or John!! This might be enough to get Warren out of bankruptcy.

edit: Warren not Hearn how could I make that mistake!

walshb

Wilder Points

Really need to start muting Sky and BoxNation. Their commentary is so biased...

Fury did well, and was winning rds and nicking scores, but Jesus the lads commentary was way OTT. Times where he was landing nothing and they were wetting their pants with praise...

squinn2912

Draw

Few disgruntled men here as nobody gets to say I told you so! Those predicting a fury win on points take away a bit more credit

blade1

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squinn2912 wrote: »

Few disgruntled men here as nobody gets to say I told you so! Those predicting a fury win on points take away a bit more credit

Wilder knockout was nearly spot on too!:)