Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

walshb

Wilder Points

The Nal wrote: »

So much for that. Glad I stayed up. Very enjoyable fight. Rematch will be great.

Defo thought Fury won but not by as much as people were saying. Was never going to get the win after being knocked down twice. Not with modern judging.

Not getting the “never going to get win” because of KDs in two rds. Those rds were scored as they should, and usually are...10-8....

They have nothing to do with the other ten rds.

Hardly modern judging...

normanoffside

Draw

https://twitter.com/squadxtra/status/1069120303253676033

Morrison J

Wilder Points

Angliru wrote: »

One way I could think of sorting the corrupt judging problem is that you have a lot of assigned judges score a fight, maybe 5 for smaller fights, up to 10 for higher up fights and as many as 20 for a fight like last night. Then after the fight a computer randomly picks 3 cards and they're the cards for the fight. Much harder to have a bought judge give a card then and even if so there would only be a chance they'd be picked. You could obviously push on then and have five official cards for bigger fights.

Logistically it is obviously a bit of a nightmare but sooner or later we're going to have a situation where judges will be in rooms watching fights on monitors and computers and not even at the venue so it isn't a million miles away. With the recent resurgence of the sport over the last few years it is about time some money is invested to rid the sport of the problem.

I've been saying this for a while now but the only way to fix judging is to take the judges away from ringside and put them in a room in an entirely different city with HD screens and every camera angle/replay they need.

Promotors and judges need to be kept away from each other. No more putting judges in 5 star hotels the night before a fight. No more judges being swayed by crowd noise. It literally fixes every problem.

The Nal

Is there a photo of the scorecards?

normanoffside

Draw

The Nal wrote: »

Is there a photo of the scorecards?

The Nal

Id love to see judges notes. Can they change their scores on rounds?

Cyrus

this was your predictions walshb, maybe furys 'nuthuggers' as you refer to didnt overestimate him and you underestimated him.

my feeling is with another camp he will win a rematch convincingly and do the same to joshua, he probably retires then

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107885989&postcount=1693

funkey_monkey

Wilder Points

Cyrus wrote: »

this was your predictions walshb, maybe furys 'nuthuggers' as you refer to didnt overestimate him and you underestimated him.

my feeling is with another camp he will win a rematch convincingly and do the same to joshua, he probably retires then

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107885989&postcount=1693

This is now December. That post was in August. Someone on the internet disagreed with you...

Og81

Draw

funkey_monkey wrote: »

This is now December. That post was in August. Someone on the internet disagreed with you...

No the same guy degraded Boxing fans as Fury fanboys and his opinion was shown to be a load of B@lld

Og81

Draw

The Nal wrote: »

Id love to see judges notes. Can they change their scores on rounds?

No not after the next rounds starts, they have till the ref calls both fighters from their corner.

So say RD 1 Rochin scores it 10 9 fury. He has till fury stands to engage at start of round its then logged on the official score cards.

The Nal

Og81 wrote: »

No not after the next rounds starts, they have till the ref calls both fighters from their corner.

So say RD 1 Rochin scores it 10 9 fury. He has till fury stands to engage at start of round its then logged on the official score cards.

Aha ok cheers. Very odd judging last night from all 3.

funkey_monkey

Wilder Points

Og81 wrote: »

No the same guy degraded Boxing fans as Fury fanboys and his opinion was shown to be a load of B@lld

Fair enough. I would have gone to the hassle of looking that post up myself though.

normanoffside

Draw

The Nal wrote: »

Aha ok cheers. Very odd judging last night from all 3.

The two judges giving Wilder the 7th was definitely weird. I thought that was one of the clearest Fury rounds.

nacho libre

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

Ah come off it now. He is chinny. He gets dropped and hurt...

Even as a fan you can’t deny this...

Yes, he has bounced back, but so have plenty of chinny fighters. He does not take a punch that good...

He got back up after being flattened by one of the biggest punchers in heavyweight history. If he was chinny he would not have got back up after the first knockdown. He is lucky after that brutal knockdown he wasn't carried out on a strecher.
With that in mind, sorry if someone has posted it already, but Stevenson is in a bad way after last night

https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/12/2/18122016/adonis-stevenson-in-critical-condition-after-knockout-loss-to-oleksandr-gvozdyk

nacho libre

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

I cannot see how you think this..

How do you know that single shot power is so clear in Wilder’s favor?

Have you measured it?

Their KO record, which is just a statistic is very close...

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Simple. Wilder can finish people with one right hand. With Joshua it usually takes a combination of punches to stop fighters. I'm not disputing Joshua hits hard, but it's clear Wilder hits even harder.

Og81

Draw

No doubt in my mind Wilder is a bigger hitter then AJ. AJ is relentless when he is stopping someone he rushes the finishes with a barrage. Wilders finishes are usually over hands big strong overhands.

Og81

Draw

No doubt in my mind Wilder is a bigger hitter then AJ. AJ is relentless when he is stopping someone he rushes the finishes with a barrage. Wilders finishes are usually over hands big strong overhands.

walshb

Wilder Points

nacho libre wrote: »

He got back up after being flattened by one of the biggest punchers in heavyweight history. If he was chinny he would not have got back up after the first knockdown. He is lucky after that brutal knockdown he wasn't carried out on a strecher.
With that in mind, sorry if someone has posted it already, but Stevenson is in a bad way after last night

https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/12/2/18122016/adonis-stevenson-in-critical-condition-after-knockout-loss-to-oleksandr-gvozdyk

Did you actually watch the first KD? He wasn’t really hurt, because he was not hit clean with a heavy shot..

I never claimed his chin was made of Kinder Bueno egg..

He’s 6 feet 9 and 260 lbs....of course he can absorb and take a punch

I just think that he does not have a strong chin. I think he’s goosed vs AJ becsuse of his chin..

Wilder rematch? I’d have to think that he will be hitting the deck the second he’s caught heavy. It happened last night, but it was rd 12. He barely made the count, and Wilder had nothing left...all credit to Tyson for getting up, but to dismiss what happened and shrug the shoulders and say that he’ll keep doing this is very naive.

His chin is a big risk for me against AJ and against Wikder in a rematch...

Even more so vs. AJ, because unlike Wikder, who may miss so much, AJ for me will get to the chin far more effectively. It may be one heavy shot, and if not, a few heavy shots...

nacho libre

Wilder Points

Not that it matters now, but the judging in the Stevenson fight was atrocious too.
Two of the judges had Stevenson winning before the stoppage. He was being schooled by Gvozdyk through out that fight.

I don't understand how some here are saying a draw was a fair result between Wilder and Fury.
The only rounds you could give to Wilder last night were 1, 9, 12.
I feel Fury will be sharper in the rematch. He won't have a lapse in concentration next time out. The bottom line is Fury can and will improve, i don't see Wilder being able to change his game plan- he is bascially reliant on his big overhand right. On the basis of last night i don't see Hearn being any keener to take the Wilder fight. Joshua is just too cumbersome to avoid being banged out by Wilder. So Hearn will go the easy route in matching Joshua against the winner of Whyte v Chisora, then he makes his debut state side against Miller.

walshb

Wilder Points

nacho libre wrote: »

Simple. Wilder can finish people with one right hand. With Joshua it usually takes a combination of punches to stop fighters. I'm not disputing Joshua hits hard, but it's clear Wilder hits even harder.

No issue anyone arguing that either man hits harder with one shot...

Bit let’s be honest, both are big punchers. If there is a difference in physical force I say it’s small...both generate real heavy force..

But AJ is a better overall puncher, and has better delivery and finishing. Seriously bad news for Fury

walshb

Wilder Points

Whatever one thinks of the fight....Fury was a winner for me. He won because he proved me wrong. He fought like he wanted to win, and showed real heart to not only get up, but to get up with anger and psssion to get right back into winning...

Oh, and he won because I had him winning most of the fight, despite my card being 7/5 in rds....a draw...

If I watch again that could change...could see me going 8/4 possibly..

nacho libre

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

Did you actually watch the first KD? He wasn’t really hurt, because he was not hit clean with a heavy shot..


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I did watch it. The point is if he was chinny he would have been hurt by that shot, even if it was not a flush hit- guys like Wilder can hurt people with a semi- decent punch. As regards the knockdown in the 12th, those two punches would have have flattened everyone, bar maybe Oliver Mc Call. I doubt Ali, even with his great chin, would have stayed upright. Fury proved last night he has great recupervative powers. Both fighters, to be fair, deserve tremendous credit for what we saw last night.

Morrison J

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

Even more so vs. AJ, because unlike Wikder, who may miss so much, AJ for me will get to the chin far more effectively. It may be one heavy shot, and if not, a few heavy shots...

Would the fact AJ couldn't get to the chin of an Aldi version of Fury in Joseph Parker not concern you at all?

walshb

Wilder Points

nacho libre wrote: »

I did watch it. The point is if he was chinny he would have been hurt by that shot, even if it was not a flush hit- guys like Wilder can hurt people with a semi- decent punch. As regards the knockdown in the 12th, those two punches would have have flattened everyone, bar maybe Oliver Mc Call. I doubt Ali, even with his great chin, would have stayed upright. Fury proved last night he has great recupervative powers. Both fighters, to be fair, deserve tremendous credit for what we saw last night.

Sorry, but he was a little hurt, but not really...it was not a heavy shot on a 260 lbs man.

Look, if you want to take my comment of “chinny” to mean that Fury’s chin is Kinder Bueno, away you go. That is not what I meant...

Khan is chinny. Bernard Dunne too, but they still showed some ability to take punches...

normanoffside

Draw

Fury doesn't have a great chin because he goes down easily.
He has great recuperative powers though, there's a difference.

nacho libre

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

No issue anyone arguing that either man hits harder with one shot...

Bit let’s be honest, both are big punchers. If there is a difference in physical force I say it’s small...both generate real heavy force..

But AJ is a better overall puncher, and has better delivery and finishing. Seriously bad news for Fury

Joshua's head movement is still very poor and his footwork is not great either. He does have good handspeed, but i just don't seem him having ability to avoid Wilders punchers like Fury has. Ali would have loved the movement of Fury last night. A man of his size and height should not be able to be as elusive as he is. If Fury had knock out power he would be unbeatable as a heavy weight. Thank goodness he is back in boxing. A great character and one of the most naturally gifted heavyweights of any era.

walshb

Wilder Points

Morrison J wrote: »

Would the fact AJ couldn't get to the chin of an Aldi version of Fury in Joseph Parker not concern you at all?

We discussed before. Parker has both a solid chin, and employs a completely different defense to Fury, as well as being nothing like him stylistically or physically...

If AJ cannot find Fury’s chin I’d be very surprised...

Wilder eventually found it, and we know what some of you think about Wikder, and his being very poor...

AJ will find it easier and cleaner. Or do you disagree?

walshb

Wilder Points

nacho libre wrote: »

Joshua's head movement is still very poor and his footwork is not great either. He does have good handspeed, but i just don't seem him having ability to avoid Wilders punchers like Fury has. Ali would have loved the movement of Fury last night. A man of his size and height should not be able to be as elusive as he is. If Fury had knock power he would be unbeatable as a heavy weight. Thank goodness he is back in boxing. A great character and one of the most naturally gifted heavyweights of any era.

Your reply has nothing to do with what you replied to from me...

HappyAsLarE

Fury beats Wilder in the rematch and then goes on to beat Joshua even easier. The greatest HW of this time.

walshb

Wilder Points

normanoffside wrote: »

Fury doesn't have a great chin because he goes down easily.
He has great recuperative powers though, there's a difference.

This is true, but recuperative powers are always a risk. I’d rather have a rock solid chin at HW..weak chin will see you being badly hurt and hoping that your recuperative powers and body/brain does what it needs to...it’s a gamble every time...