Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

walshb

Wilder Points

You’re missing my point. It’s not what sides are picked. It’s labeling fights corrupt and judges corrupt when the side you pick loses on a close fight..

You seem to think so many close fights are corrupt based off who you think wins...

It’s the vibe you give off...not digging you for that, btw.

Morrison J

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

You’re missing my point. It’s not what sides are picked. It’s labeling fights corrupt and judges corrupt when the side you pick loses on a close fight..

You seem to think so many close fights are corrupt based off who you think win...

Right, but you just gave me an example of one fight that I ever labelled corrupt. You're going to need more than that to back up your point surely. Can you name more? There was a number of fights in the Olympics that I said were corrupt too. I wasn't heavily invested in Joe Joyce's gold medal fight to be fair. I was just calling it as I saw it.

If the house fighter has some money making potential he's going to get the benefit of the doubt in close fights. That's the way boxing is and its not corruption. It's when the fight isn't close and he still gets the nod that I have an issue. I never labelled the fight on Saturday as corrupt. I just know in order to beat Wilder you're going to have to dominate from the first bell to the last. Due to the two knockdowns Fury didn't do that. It is what it is.

normanoffside

Draw

WBC have ordered an immediate rematch.

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1071132125116686336

nacho libre

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

Jaysus, you take your time getting back...

I remember thinking and making the point that Ortiz’s punching and follow ups weren’t great, yet Wilder seemed almost done for. That fight was more a sign of vulnerability as opposed to durability...

And, as you say, AJ a better puncher. For me, in both terms of power and execution and finishing...

Wilder’s only chance v AJ is that KO...and that’s the danger. It is a real danger. It either happens or it doesn’t.

Did you miss me? Thanks:pac:
Ortiz,if he had been a few years younger would have finished Wilder, even so
I did not expect Wilder to stay upright from the barrage of punches he took
As mentioned previously, i think it will be a case of who lands first in the fight between Wilder and Joshua, i think Joshua has the better overall punching technique, so i would favour him to do so.

Too Tough To Die

Fury Points

normanoffside wrote: »

WBC have ordered an immediate rematch.

https://twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1071132125116686336

That reads more like they're approving it rather than ordering it.

Personally i'd rather see Wilder v Joshua for the right to fight the man in the division in late 2019. Fury vs the likes of Ortiz, Povetkin or Whyte if Hearn would allow it in the meantime wouldn't be bad fights, but i'm not sure if they'd be enough to sustain his interest.

StringerBell

Wilder Points

For the right to fight the man with no belt in the division?

walshb

Wilder Points

StringerBell wrote: »

For the right to fight the man with no belt in the division?

Usual OTT Fury lovin’ nonsense...

Cyrus

That or he's the lineal heavyweight champion

StringerBell

Wilder Points

Cyrus wrote: »

That or he's the lineal heavyweight champion

He certainly claims he is alright.

dougm1970

lineal 'title' is a very flawed thing in my mind....say if fury in an alternate reality came back after 2 years out from winning the lineal title...fought really out of shape and dropped a decision to a journeyman with a record of say 20-13 ....and that journeyman in turn drops a decision to a random john smith with a record of 11-33 .....is john smith now the man to beat for the lineal title ?

eagle eye

No, the lineal title can only belong to somebody who had the belts and never lost them in the ring.

Cyrus

StringerBell wrote: »

He certainly claims he is alright.

You dispute it ?

Donald Trump

Fury Points

dougm1970 wrote: »

lineal 'title' is a very flawed thing in my mind....say if fury in an alternate reality came back after 2 years out from winning the lineal title...fought really out of shape and dropped a decision to a journeyman with a record of say 20-13 ....and that journeyman in turn drops a decision to a random john smith with a record of 11-33 .....is john smith now the man to beat for the lineal title ?

Sure the boxer holding the belts could also be dropped by a journeyman


Just ask Buster Douglas



(maybe not quite a journeyman but you get what I mean)

StringerBell

Wilder Points

Cyrus wrote: »

You dispute it ?

Obviously

squinn2912

Draw

Donald Trump wrote: »

Sure the boxer holding the belts could also be dropped by a journeyman


Just ask Buster Douglas



(maybe not quite a journeyman but you get what I mean)

Good point. Hassim Rachman comes to mind in this as well.

normanoffside

Draw

It's probably just Frank Warren trolling but he says he is looking at April 13th as a date for the rematch.

yourdeadwright

Draw

Lineal Champ sounds great but it doesnt work in real life ,
Lewis retired Lineal Champ so how do become Lineal champ if he retired with the title ?
Also hes not the first to do that

walshb

Wilder Points

And let’s not forget the cheating here....

His win over Wlad has an asterisk beside it..

He failed drugs tests in 2015, or was found to have had illegal drugs in his system in 2015.

His lineal claim that he’s been barking on about the past three years is nonsense..

Cyrus

walshb wrote: »

And let’s not forget the cheating here....

His win over Wlad has an asterisk beside it..

He failed drugs tests in 2015, or was found to have had illegal drugs in his system in 2015.

His lineal claim that he’s been barking on about the past three years is nonsense..

who put the asterisk there?

you??:P

walshb

Wilder Points

Cyrus wrote: »

who put the asterisk there?

you??:P

Yes, and anyone who has any common sense....

Cyrus

walshb wrote: »

Yes, and anyone who has any common sense....

:pac:

walshb

Wilder Points

Cyrus wrote: »

:pac:

I knew you'd see sense!

Too Tough To Die

Fury Points

walshb wrote: »

And let’s not forget the cheating here....

His win over Wlad has an asterisk beside it..

He failed drugs tests in 2015, or was found to have had illegal drugs in his system in 2015.

His lineal claim that he’s been barking on about the past three years is nonsense..

No asterisk required.

The elevated levels were found before the Wlad fight. He passed all tests for the Wlad fight. Question is, why did they allow him to fight if he tested for elevated levels before his world title shot? Something strange about that.

Cyrus

i dont recall Wlad making a deal over it either

yourdeadwright

Draw

Wasn't the failure for the Wlad fight just for benzoylecgonine ?

I can't remember at this stage ,

Too Tough To Die

Fury Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wasn't the failure for the Wlad fight just for benzoylecgonine ?

I can't remember at this stage ,

There was no failure for the Wlad fight that i'm aware of.

walshb

Wilder Points

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

No asterisk required.

The elevated levels were found before the Wlad fight. He passed all tests for the Wlad fight. Question is, why did they allow him to fight if he tested for elevated levels before his world title shot? Something strange about that.

There is an asterisk beside it IMO

He failed dope tests in 2015, regardless of tests "before" the Wlad fight; his whole character and integrity are in question...

That is what happens when athletes cheat. Their careers and character are forever scrutinized.

But, because it's Fury, some just won't admit to anything that is perceived to be a criticism.

His dope test fails and substances in his system could well have helped him in the year 2015....

No different than those questioning Canelo's issues for fight 1 vs. GGG.....there is an asterisk beside that fight too...

And beside fight II......Canelo's name and character are under scrutiny. Whether one agrees or disagrees that the substances were of help.

yourdeadwright

Draw

walshb wrote: »

There is an asterisk beside it IMO

He failed dope tests in 2015, regardless of tests "before" the Wlad fight; his whole character and integrity are in question...

That is what happens when athletes cheat. Their careers and character are forever scrutinized.

But, because it's Fury, some just won't admit to anything that is perceived to be a criticism.

His dope test fails and substances in his system could well have helped him in the year 2015....

No different than those questioning Canelo's issues for fight 1 vs. GGG.....there is an asterisk beside that fight too...

And beside fight II......Canelo's name and character are under scrutiny. Whether one agrees or disagrees that the substances were of help.

To be fair it depends what the failure was on , Can you recall what exactly Fury's was ? I recall one for benzoylecgonine ( which basically is cocaine)

Was one of Fury failures thrown out ? I can't remember as had no real interest when he was retired

walshb

Wilder Points

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

There was no failure for the Wlad fight that i'm aware of.

And I never made a claim that there was......

I was discussing his failed test in the year 2015...Nandrolone found in the system in Feb/March...

That puts the asterisk beside his name. His next bloody fight was Wlad....

I shouldn't have to point this out.....fan or no fan of the man/fighter this has to be looked at. But of course excuses are usually always made by athletes who fail these tests, and by their fans.

"Nandrolone is a male sex hormone which can be created naturally in the body, particularly if the subject has eaten large quantities contaminated with the substance. It can help to increase an athlete’s muscle size, strength and power, aids recovery from injuries, and allows them to train harder for longer."

walshb

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

To be fair it depends what the failure was on , Can you recall what exactly Fury's was ? I recall one for benzoylecgonine ( which basically is cocaine)

Was one of Fury failures thrown out ? I can't remember as had no real interest when he was retired

Read up on the timeline....

Nandrolone...