Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

marieholmfan

Fury KO

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think people are trying to say is how can you call Fury terrible,
He fought exactly the fight he wanted to and got the job done that no one has ever got done before,

I agree it wasn't pretty but I think it was a brilliant execution of a game plan he knew would work m

Even against Wilder he looked weirdly clumsy. He is very defensive and he doesn't seem to have the superb natural coordination that we associate with a top class boxer (I'm sure he has better hand eye coordination than 99 men out of a hundred but he doesn't seem to 'flow' in the same way). Of course he beat Klitschko comprehensively and should have beaten Wilder on the night (though I'm glad he didn't as it makes the rematch better and it is good for boxing).

Cyrus

marieholmfan wrote: »

He is very defensive and he doesn't seem to have the superb natural coordination that we associate with a top class boxer

his coordination is imo the best of any of the elite heavyweights, for a man his size its ridiculous

Morrison J

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

When did I say this?

Fury got the win on the cards.....

That's the main thing for him...

I happened to think the display from both in the fight was terrible. Both terrible. Wlad gets overly criticized (in comparison to Fury) for his showing in the fight.

Millions of times. You've slated his performance in that fight for years now.

One example..

walshb wrote: »

BTW, the last Fury we saw was sh1t.....

Couldn't throw a handful of credible punches according to my book.

I know you don't particularly like Fury but I'll never be able to understand what your eyes are seeing in that fight. There's nothing **** about disarming the best puncher in the sport and beating him on the cards in a notoriously difficult place to get a decision. It wasn't the clinic or schooling that some people call it but it was extremely effective and one the most impressive wins of this decade because of that.

yourdeadwright

Draw

marieholmfan wrote: »

Even against Wilder he looked weirdly clumsy. He is very defensive and he doesn't seem to have the superb natural coordination that we associate with a top class boxer (I'm sure he has better hand eye coordination than 99 men out of a hundred but he doesn't seem to 'flow' in the same way). Of course he beat Klitschko comprehensively and should have beaten Wilder on the night (though I'm glad he didn't as it makes the rematch better and it is good for boxing).

WOW

Compared him's for to AJ who is ultra robotic in his movement, Compare him to Wilder who crosses his feet often n and can be wild,

Fury foot work and coordination is his strongest asset

marieholmfan

Fury KO

yourdeadwright wrote: »

WOW

Compared him's for to AJ who is ultra robotic in his movement, Compare him to Wilder who crosses his feet often n and can be wild,

Fury foot work and coordination is his strongest asset

His foot work and basic boxing skills are first rate. I mean way way beyond first rate. You can tell to watch him that he learned the fundamentals properly and practised for a long long time. I don't think he is actually clumsy; like bumps his knee on things or spills his tea clumsy. I mean he was able to switch to southpaw. I don't believe that he has the same level of hand eye coordination that most professional boxers have. That's all.

marieholmfan

Fury KO

Anyone think Fury could switch to Southpaw for the second Wilder fight. Anyone think of any pros and cons except keeping your head a bit further from Wilder's right hand.

walshb

Wilder Points

marieholmfan wrote: »

Anyone think Fury could switch to Southpaw for the second Wilder fight. Anyone think of any pros and cons except keeping your head a bit further from Wilder's right hand.

He'd likely allow Wilder a cleaner shot at landing that heavy straight right hand....

walshb

Wilder Points

Morrison J wrote: »

Millions of times. You've slated his performance in that fight for years now.

One example..



I know you don't particularly like Fury but I'll never be able to understand what your eyes are seeing in that fight. There's nothing **** about disarming the best puncher in the sport and beating him on the cards in a notoriously difficult place to get a decision. It wasn't the clinic or schooling that some people call it but it was extremely effective and one the most impressive wins of this decade because of that.

I never denied that IMO he fought terrible. He fought terrible and looked terrible fighting/boxing.

I was more replying to your assertion that he fought a "bad" fight.......

He got the win on the cards.....

There is a slight difference I think in what we are saying here.

marieholmfan

Fury KO

He doesn't look good but doesn't fight terrible.
He is relatively ungaiNly compAred to other men who can contend to be world champion boxers but he fights very well.

Winning on points is winning.
He can control fights. He can change styles. He can keep thinking while being punched. All against world champion boxers.

walshb wrote: »

I never denied that IMO he fought terrible. He fought terrible and looked terrible fighting/boxing.

I was more replying to your assertion that he fought a "bad" fight.......

He got the win on the cards.....

There is a slight difference I think in what we are saying here.

walshb

Wilder Points

marieholmfan wrote: »

He doesn't look good but doesn't fight terrible.
He is relatively ungaiNly compAred to other men who can contend to be world champion boxers but he fights very well.

Winning on points is winning.
He can control fights. He can change styles. He can keep thinking while being punched. All against world champion boxers.

Well, in the Wlad fight for me he was terrible

Fury has looked very good at times in fights....

yourdeadwright

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Well, in the Wlad fight for me he was terrible

Fury has looked very good at times in fights....

I just never wrap my head around how you think he was terrible,
He boxed exactly the way he knew he could win and won ,

The fight went exactly how he set it out to go ,

I don't get what you expected for him to stand off and try out box Wlad from a distance, to have rock em sock em like AJ , I just don't get it ,

He boxed the way he knew he'd win and won , what more can you ask ,

Try_harder

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I just never wrap my head around how you think he was terrible,
He boxed exactly the way he knew he could win and won ,

The fight went exactly how he set it out to go ,

I don't get what you expected for him to stand off and try out box Wlad from a distance, to have rock em sock em like AJ , I just don't get it ,

He boxed the way he knew he'd win and won , what more can you ask ,

It was the worst heavyweight championship bout I had ever seen

yourdeadwright

Draw

Try_harder wrote: »

It was the worst heavyweight championship bout I had ever seen

For excitement I'd agree,

But how can you not give credit to Fury,
For a decade Wlad was unbeaten , no man has ever beat him on the score card in a pro fight , Fury went over to Wlad's back yard with a game plan to beat him, stuck to the game plan and won ,

Was it pretty no ,was it exciting no , but his execution of the plan was flawless, He won in possibly the only way he had a hope to win , In my eyes it was a fantastic performance from Fury and a very very clever one,

blade1

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

For excitement I'd agree,

But how can you not give credit to Fury,
For a decade Wlad was unbeaten , no man has ever beat him on the score card in a pro fight , Fury went over to Wlad's back yard with a game plan to beat him, stuck to the game plan and won ,

Was it pretty no ,was it exciting no , but his execution of the plan was flawless, He won in possibly the only way he had a hope to win , In my eyes it was a fantastic performance from Fury and a very very clever one,

I don't think it was all down to Tyson.
Vlad had a stinker IMO.

ikeano29

Fury Points

marieholmfan wrote: »

Anyone think Fury could switch to Southpaw for the second Wilder fight. Anyone think of any pros and cons except keeping your head a bit further from Wilder's right hand.

Did you not see him flirt with south paw 3 or 4 times briefly for few seconds at a time in Wilder fight, was to open for Wilders straight right lunge everytime.
That possibly aswers the question for me anyway.

Too Tough To Die

Fury Points

I loved the fight. Thought it was very tense and was on the edge of my seat throughout. It was fascinating seeing such a dominant champion neutered like that and how often do you get to see history being made in the heavyweight division like that?

That said, it obviously doesn't satisfy the blood lust a lot of fans have and definitely doesn't stand up to repeat viewings.

walshb

Wilder Points

Forget blood lust. Would it be too much to ask for skills/punching properly/landing effectively/not poxy holding and wrestling lust?

Try_harder

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

Forget blood lust. Would it be too much to ask for skills/punching properly/landing effectively/not poxy holding and wrestling lust?

100%

nacho libre

Wilder Points

blade1 wrote: »

I don't think it was all down to Tyson.
Vlad had a stinker IMO.

It is. The reason he had a stinker is down to Fury, because he frustrated Wlad all night . Wlad, unlike against his opponents in the previous 10 years, could not come with an alternative to counteract Fury's game plan. The onus was on Wlad to do so when he knew he was losing, but he simply couldn't that's why he had a stinker.

blade1

Wilder Points

nacho libre wrote: »

It is. The reason he had a stinker is down to Fury, because he frustrated Wlad all night . Wlad, unlike against his opponents in the previous 10 years, could not come with an alternative to counteract Fury's game plan. The onus was on Wlad to do so when he knew he was losing, but he simply couldn't that's why he had a stinker.

Nah, I disagree: the fact he couldn't come up with a plan b meant he had a stinker.
There's no way that was the best version of Vlad IMO.

Joeseph Balls

Wilder Points

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yourdeadwright

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Forget blood lust. Would it be too much to ask for skills/punching properly/landing effectively/not poxy holding and wrestling lust?

But that was the game plan , Fury knew it was his best chance of wining and was able to hold and wrestle his way to victory ,

No one had ever came close to beating Wlad on the cards and Fury done so comfortably ,It was up to Wlad to find and answer and couldn't

Why should Fury stand off and make it look nice if he knew that way he wouldn't win , it would be incredible stupid of him to fight in a style he had no chance of wining ,

Its absorbed to say a fighter had a stinker when he's beat, Any time you lose in there baring injury you've been beat by the better man on the night and all credit goes to the victor ,

I think we all agree Wlad could have won a rematch to me that makes it even more brilliant and clever that Fury caught him so much by surprise with his style the first time Wlad had no answer ,

Too Tough To Die

Fury Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

But that was the game plan , Fury knew it was his best chance of wining and was able to hold and wrestle his way to victory ,

No one had ever came close to beating Wlad on the cards and Fury done so comfortably ,It was up to Wlad to find and answer and couldn't

Why should Fury stand off and make it look nice if he knew that way he wouldn't win , it would be incredible stupid of him to fight in a style he had no chance of wining ,

Its absorbed to say a fighter had a stinker when he's beat, Any time you lose in there baring injury you've been beat by the better man on the night and all credit goes to the victor ,

I think we all agree Wlad could have won a rematch to me that makes it even more brilliant and clever that Fury caught him so much by surprise with his style the first time Wlad had no answer ,

I don't think he caught him by surprise at all. They knew Fury's movement would cause issues, hence the 3-4 inches of extra padding in the ring that Team Fury demanded be removed before the fight. Apparently layers of foam had to be removed before the Wilder fight too, according to the BBC 5 live team.

It's also unfair to say he wrestled his way to victory when it's Wlad who initiated most of the clinches. Wlad has been a notorious jab and grab merchant throughout his reign (watch his fight against Povetkin, he should've been warned for it). He just came up against someone he couldn't physically dominate up close this time around.

Too Tough To Die

Fury Points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5m8DlDqR00

walshb

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

But that was the game plan , Fury knew it was his best chance of wining and was able to hold and wrestle his way to victory ,

Obviously it was the game-plan....

I just happen to think it looked terrible, and it was a terrible display and example of boxing/fighting.

And I do not agree that his win over Wlad was more comprehensive or brilliant or clear than AJs; who beat Wlad and stopped Wlad, albeit taking some leather himself.

I don't think any more needs to be said here.

yourdeadwright

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Obviously it was the game-plan....

I just happen to think it looked terrible, and it was a terrible display and example of boxing/fighting.

And I do not agree that his win over Wlad was more comprehensive or brilliant or clear than AJs; who beat Wlad and stopped Wlad, albeit taking some leather himself.

I don't think any more needs to be said here.

Well you cant argue he won comprehensively, he won by 4 rounds on one card and 3 rounds on two cards, So that is a comprehensive win , you can't dispute that ,
Weather you like it or not Boxing is score by rounds and he won more round by a distance ,
Close rounds yes very close, close fight no not at all it was an unanimous ( which means in full agreements ) victory

I don't know if you have ever been in a ring but personally , id prefer to win comprehensively while never been troubled rather than being nearly dropped and nearly out and coming back ,

More clear winner was obviously Fury the fight was never in doubt for him ,The fight for AJ had huge moments of doubt, ,

AJ to me was the more exciting fight ,

Brilliant is subjective so that's up to your self,

Cyrus

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Well you cant argue he won comprehensively, he won by 4 rounds on one card and 3 rounds on two cards, So that is a comprehensive win , you can't dispute that ,

i dont doubt that he will dispute it

yourdeadwright

Draw

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5m8DlDqR00

Great video ,Fury only one to be clever enough to do it back and beat him

nacho libre

Wilder Points

blade1 wrote: »

Nah, I disagree: the fact he couldn't come up with a plan b meant he had a stinker.
There's no way that was the best version of Vlad IMO.

Unless he had an undiagnosed illness or a debilitating injury we never heard about, i can't see why he could not come up with a plan b, other than Fury being too good for him to do so.
What else can you put it down? When an elite fighter loses you often hear it said he didn't perform to the best of his ability, when the truth is they were not allowed to be by their opponent. Wlad was not confident to throw because he was afraid of missing and getting tagged by Fury. If he was superior to Fury he would not have even needed to come up with the plan b, like he did not need to do so against so many previous opponents.

liamoreilly

Wilder Points

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