Clapping to be replaced by 'Jazz hands' at Manchester university

wexie

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

What’s the sound of one hand clapping?

depends on what it's clapping against :pac:

Lord Glentoran

wexie wrote: »

depends on what it's clapping against :pac:

Indeed :pac:

Franz Von Peppercorn

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

What’s the sound of one hand clapping?

No sound. It’s not a clap.

neris

Angelina Noisy Sportscast wrote: »

The more this happens the more convinced I become that the leftist morons have one or many of the Cluster B personality disorders

that cluster b sounds like university types. the very intelligent, smart type who cant function in reality

Cienciano

Cienciano wrote: »

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Who decided that clapping is offensive?

(Is it because white males clap?)

No one. It's the usual group of "it's PC gone mad" and "what next..." idiots getting outraged about something that will never effect them and doesn't matter.

Hang on. Are you saying the idiots are the people criticising the SU in this case? Surely this is a textbook case of PC gone mad.

Cienciano

Deleted User wrote: »

Hang on. Are you saying the idiots are the people criticising the SU in this case? Surely this is a textbook case of PC gone mad.

That's exactly what I'm saying. A studens union in a different country tries something out, it'll never effect anyone here, doesn't matter one jot. But people can't wait to get upset over it. Who gives a shít what they do? I think people are delighted about it so they can pretend to be outraged by "pc gone mad".

JohnMc1

ceadaoin. wrote: »

This is to make it more inclusive of those with sensory issues and disabilities apparently. But seems to exclude maybe visually impaired people who won't see or hear anything. or anyone who may feel uncomfortable with people flailing their arms around en masse.

Should it be introduced in the wider world? How will these people cope when they attend a concert or performance outside university where clapping is allowed if not? Or should they just have to get used to it or wear something to block the sound as many already do? Clapping and cheering and are a normal part of human behaviour, will definitely take a while to re train people.

Seems to me that what with the widespread trend of 'no platforming' of people who don't agree with the majority view and stuff like this, British university students are going to get a big shock when they enter the real world




https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/clapping-banned-jazz-hands-university-15223965

If clapping "triggers" these idiots then they have no business being in a University. No less out in public. The best thing that can happen to the world is if more and more people start adopting the President Trump "Go **** Yourself" mindset.


I shudder to think what these lunatics are going to be like when they have to get a job and they realize people aren't going to cater to their bull****.

ceadaoin.

Cienciano wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm saying. A studens union in a different country tries something out, it'll never effect anyone here, doesn't matter one jot. But people can't wait to get upset over it. Who gives a shít what they do? I think people are delighted about it so they can pretend to be outraged by "pc gone mad".

Did anyone actually say "PC gone mad" until you brought it up? Didn't know we can only discuss things that directly affect us. I don't think many are outraged, just bemused at the ridiculousness of it all.

The fact that a poster tried to make out that people who clap or cheer or use stairs (pretty much the entirety of human civilisation btw) are the strange ones is just bizarre.

One eyed Jack

Captain Obvious wrote: »

But you seem to be dismissing things like autism as a lesser form of disability. I'm sure people with mobility disabilities want to be treated like everyone else but I don't think they'll be demanding wheelchair ramps be replaced with steps for that reason. Those ramps help them go about their daily lives. And the ramps don't hurt other people in any way. In the same way, some people have issues related to sudden or loud noises. If a small accommodation can make their lives more tolerable without hurting others what's the issue?

I’m not dismissing anything as a lesser form of anything. I’ve also said I don’t particularly care one way or the other about what this particular SU chooses to introduce, but to suggest it’s an attempt to accommodate people with neurological and sensory issues is just misguided. There are far more effective strategies to integrate people with these conditions into mainstream education, such as acclimatisation, allowing them to get used to the idea that for instance clapping in this particular case is a normal behaviour that they are going to experience throughout their lives.

Small accommodations tend to be things like earmuffs, and I’ve seen plenty of children with sensory issues wearing them in mainstream schools, or in my own case again, putting my secondary monitor on the left side of my desk when everyone else in the office else has theirs on the right. I was asked about it once, and simply explained to them that due to my visual impairment, it would make it more difficult to see on the right, I’d have to turn my head round whereas this way, it’s within my peripheral vision of my left eye. I was asked by a friend recently as we were about to cross the street could I see the green man across the road? “Nope, I just listen for the beeps”. If they did away with the beeps to accommodate people with sensory issues, I’d have a far more difficult experience when crossing the road, but again, chances are I’d adapt, and acclimatise myself to work within that environment.

I suppose if I were to think of something that does make me anxious and stresses me out is when I don’t know where I am as I have literally no sense of direction. I tend to get lost very easily, and the way I’ve been able to allieviate that is I have the earphones in and maps navigation on my mobile, so I don’t have to be always dependent upon other people to help me navigate my environment.

Independence is something that I think anyone regardless of their ability or disability can understand, the idea of being able to do things for themselves, and that’s generally what people are taught and how they learn and adapt, rather than this idea of having everyone go around in wheelchairs in a misguided attempt to make a wheelchair user feel better, or everyone behaving like they have autism because they imagine it will make life easier on a person with autism that they should now feel included. It’s patronising, and it doesn’t in any way teach or foster independence. The more I think about it, the more it make me think of being institutionalised in an adult crèche.

FWIW btw any sort of an incline or slope are often a death trap for people who have to use either crutches or wheelchairs, and I have no doubt there are people who exist who demand that they should be removed, because often times they’re either hard to get up, or they’re lethal to navigate on the way down. Thank goodness for elevators.

Is there any evidence to support that or is that just your opinion based on the rule itself?

Yes, the evidence to support my opinion is given in this University newspaper article -

Clapping banned at Students Union events

I’m wondering whether the absence of the Liberation and Access officer was due to being unable to withstand anyone contradicting her opinion, or was it due to the fact that she would have to answer questions about the financial aspects of her second motion -


Sara Khan also proposed a second motion to the September Senate, campaigning for greater QTIPOC (Queer, Trans, and Intersex People of Colour) inclusion and advocacy.

The motion steers the SU to “ring-fence £500 for QTIPOC events and campaigns” and “include representation of, support for, and advocacy for QTIPOC in the role descriptions for part-time BME, LGBTQ and Trans officers”.

Sara Khan herself was absent from Senate. This meant the Senate’s questions about which fund the £500 would be ring-fenced from were unanswered. As a consequence, they voted to postpone the motion for the next Senate session, which will be held on Thursday 8th November.

Source: Mancunion Media Group


I’ll reserve judgement on the observation that the SU officer who is supposed to represent the needs of the student body and is demanding greater representation for the people she claims to advocate for, is absent from the meeting. Demands greater representation, absents herself from representation. It’s like a socially awkward penguin meme.

Great for you. Do you demand wheelchair ramps be removed from places so you feel more normal? Do you accept that those ramps are actually needed by people? Do you rate a mental condition such as autism as somehow lesser than your physical disability?

In spite of the difficulties I have with slopes and ramps, I don’t demand that they be removed, and I don’t demand that other people who can use them without losing their balance and falling back on their arse and risking spinal injuries, or falling forward and risking cerebral injuries, be prohibited from using them. I just don’t use them myself, as they’re a curse. In the same way, I see no reason to ban anyone from clapping as an expression of their approval or appreciation. Even if I were to give the idea the benefit of the doubt and assume it was well-intentioned, I’d still argue that it’s a myopic and misguided exercise given that there are literally an infinite amount of circumstances that can cause anxiety in humans, regardless of whether they are or aren’t autistic. Again, it goes back to acclimatisation, and if the goal is actually inclusivity of everyone, then they’re going to run into difficulty accommodating people who due to various neurological conditions are prone to sudden outbursts, such as people with autism -


Autism Behaviour Problems

I guess it's just a balancing act. I see this as a pretty small thing to give up that may improve lives for others.

Of course it’s a balancing act, and I completely get that, but this particular idea of banning people from expressing themselves in a completely socially acceptable form of expression which is meant to show approval and appreciation, and in people with autism clapping is generally one of the behaviours that they tend to do constantly -


Clapping | Autism PDD

And I can completely understand the need some people have to be seen to be accommodating and inclusive of everyone, but when their aims are founded upon a piss poor understanding of the conditions they use as a means to justify their efforts, then it’s looking less and less like an attempt to balance things out and accommodate and consider everyone, and more and more like a misguided attempt by those people to be seen to be aware of other people, without making any actual sense of understanding the needs of the people who they’re claiming to either be representing or accommodating -


The Sound of No Hands Clapping?

AndrewJRenko

JohnMc1 wrote: »

I shudder to think what these lunatics are going to be like when they have to get a job and they realize people aren't going to cater to their bull****.

Yeah, because good employers would never think about catering for the bull****


https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/accessibility/2018/10/01/empowering-all-people-in-the-workplace/

El_Duderino 09

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Did anyone actually say "PC gone mad" until you brought it up? Didn't know we can only discuss things that directly affect us. I don't think many are outraged, just bemused at the ridiculousness of it all.

The fact that a poster tried to make out that people who clap or cheer or use stairs (pretty much the entirety of human civilisation btw) are the strange ones is just bizarre.

Outrage is one of those reflexive verbs; ‘I’m bemused by the ridiculousness of it all’, ‘you’re outraged’, ‘they are the PC extremists’. LOL.

RayCun

So many people rush on here to say how offended they are by 'snowflakes', and how college students will get a shock when they discover the world contains people who behave differently to them.

Signore Fancy Pants

Pfft students.

D1ckheads

jmayo

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I presume this is the allow people on the autism spectrum to better integrate in mainstream education. I think some retailers have quiet hours for people to bring their autistic children shopping. Introduce a degree of normalcy into their lives. I don't see the issue really.

You never see the issue with any of this type of idiocy.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It's disrespectful to the Jazz dance community. Jazz hands is their gesture. I say no to cultural appropriation.

I think these lads might claim it is cultural appropriation. :rolleyes:

The Tetrarch wrote: »

I think everyone should break wind. Everyone has one.

Ehh how can someone break wind from the same orifice they are talking through ?

Cienciano wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm saying. A studens union in a different country tries something out, it'll never effect anyone here, doesn't matter one jot. But people can't wait to get upset over it. Who gives a shwhat they do? I think people are delighted about it so they can pretend to be outraged by "pc gone mad".

Ehhh how do you know that any of the posters here are not students or would be students of that Manc establishment ?
How do you know none of the posters here have relatives studying there and someday may be at their graduation ceremony ?

It must be fooking brilliant to be someone that can speak on behalf of everyone.:rolleyes:

What the world needs is a major crisis like an old war or some major plague a) to get peoples minds off trivial shyetology like this and b) to get rid of the eejits that come up with shyte like this.

Ipso

Cienciano wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm saying. A studens union in a different country tries something out, it'll never effect anyone here, doesn't matter one jot. But people can't wait to get upset over it. Who gives a shít what they do? I think people are delighted about it so they can pretend to be outraged by "pc gone mad".

it's not pc gone mad, but silly c**tery of the highest order all wrapped up in smugness.
These morons shouldn't be encouraged as this nonsense will spread outside their student circle **** echo chamber.

dense

Angelina Noisy Sportscast wrote: »

The more this happens the more convinced I become that the leftist morons have one or many of the Cluster B personality disorders

So true.

Rootsblower

Can we ban clapping on aircraft after landing too. Please please please

JohnnyFlash

Rootsblower wrote: »

Can we ban clapping on aircraft after landing too. Please please please

Stop flying Ryanair to places like Magaluf.

Feisar

Cienciano wrote: »

That's exactly what I'm saying. A studens union in a different country tries something out, it'll never effect anyone here, doesn't matter one jot. But people can't wait to get upset over it. Who gives a shít what they do? I think people are delighted about it so they can pretend to be outraged by "pc gone mad".

It does effect us though as crap like this is slowly chipping away at society's perception of what is normal.

sbsquarepants

Knex. wrote: »

" That said, Student Unions have always been largely full of narcissists dutch ruddering each others egos to some tune or another.

Sounds filthy:D

No wonder they have jizz hands.

wexie

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Sounds filthy:D

No wonder they have jizz hands.

I had to google it, I wouldn't recommend it

Rootsblower

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Stop flying Ryanair to places like Magaluf.

Never been to Magaluf. Would you recommend it

RIGOLO

Does this mean if a deaf person gives you the clap, you have to give them jizz hands ?


(i ran that joke past a deaf person, they thought it was funny, at least I think they did as they put their hands up in the air, so take it up with them if you dont like it )

Speaking of deaf people, in my many years the greatest single human expressions of joy I ever saw and to this day can still remember vividly was that of a deaf friend who played the piano. Yes unbelievable as it may sound she had achieved a fairly high level grade in piano despite being totally deaf (she was a very driven person high achiever person, working at MIT at the time). Anyways she underwent cochlear ear implant, and came to my house just after her surgery. I plugged in my keyboards , put the headphones on her and she played piano.

I never forget the look in her eye, I think i might have gotten a bit of dust in my own eye at the time, felt blessed to have witnessed it.

Imagine, 28 years of age, played piano all her life, and then one day she finally actually got to hear it what a piano sounds like.

El_Duderino 09

Feisar wrote: »

It does effect us though as crap like this is slowly chipping away at society's perception of what is normal.

PC gone mad is mad until it’s normal, then lots of it becomes good progress in society. Gay marriage was PC gone mad, mandatory seatbelts were health and safety gone mad, condoms were only for squares and wearing a helmet on a building site was health and safety gone mad.

Now those things are just normal progress for society. It wouldn’t fly to try to reverse those things but the ‘PC gone mad’ brigade still get to whinge every time something changes.

Im sure lots of people who voted no will/have already changed their minds but I doubt many will ever say they were wrong on gay marriage. Those people will just come to accept changes like gay marriage and realise there was nothing to worry about.

Saint_Mel

Whats so great about Manchester University that had people clapping and whooping all the time anyway?

The only time I remember much "whooping" in college was whenever someone dropped a cup or plate and it smashed ..... so now if that happens and everyone does jazz hands instead .... they could end up dropping their cups/plates .... which will be met by more jazz hands .... which could cause more people to drop cups or plates ...... it'll be like never ending jazz hands until they run out of cups!

Cienciano

Feisar wrote: »

It does effect us though as crap like this is slowly chipping away at society's perception of what is normal.

It's not though. People want to think it is cos they want to have something to complain about. They pretend they don't but they do. Newspapers will print stupid stories like this because they know the "pc gone mad" brigade will lap it up. I'll give you €100 if this effects you in the next 10 years.

The Rape of Lucretia

Cienciano wrote: »

It's not though. People want to think it is cos they want to have something to complain about. They pretend they don't but they do. Newspapers will print stupid stories like this because they know the "pc gone mad" brigade will lap it up. I'll give you €100 if this effects you in the next 10 years.

But it is PC gone mad. Not just that there is a brigade who thinks it is PC gone mad. It is mad. PC was bad enough, but was at a manageable level for a good few years. But it has escalated badly recently with snowflakes growing up and being part of PC going off the rails completely. It has possibly reached a critical mass unfortunately : the initial PC trend bred the snowflakes, who are so blinkered in a PC mindset that they dont know where to stop. Further accelerating bananas PC stuff.

Time for the those offended by PC to demand the offence they are subject to by the PC brigade/snowflakes ends and to launch a counter offensive defining a safe space for PC/snowflakes that doesnt infect the rest of the world ?

Well, I think so, and it should happen lickety-split.

wexie

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Time for the those offended by PC to demand the offence they are subject to by the PC brigade/snowflakes ends and to launch a counter offensive defining a safe space for PC/snowflakes that doesnt infect the rest of the world ?

Like universities you mean?

AllForIt

What do you do for a boo? Place your jazz hand thumbs to your temples and stick our your tongue?

The Rape of Lucretia

wexie wrote: »

Like universities you mean?

Universities should be pc free zones.

Have fake universities for pc minded folk if they wish, and keep them all safe together.
Anyway, I'm having a sambo, and will be back to this topic later.

The Rape of Lucretia

Yes, I meant sandwich. Of course I meant sandwich. Its lunchtime. Relax.

El_Duderino 09

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

[
Time for the those offended by PC to demand the offence they are subject to by the PC brigade/snowflakes ends and to launch a counter offensive defining a safe space for PC/snowflakes that doesnt infect the rest of the world ?

Well, I think so, and it should happen lickety-split.

That’s exactly what happening. The permanently offended are always banging on about the snowflakes and PC gone mad. Boards is full of the permanently offended slapping each other on the back for being outraged.

This thread is 9 pages old and I haven’t seen anyone who thinks that jazz hands is a good idea or that it will catch on.

I’d say there were always people who work to think outside the box and progress society and some ideas catch on where others don’t. The permanently offended are always going to be offended whether it’s a good idea or not.

Abolishing slavery was PC gone mad. Women’s suffrage was PC gone mad. Gay marriage was PC gone mad. It’s good that we don’t listen to the permanently offended.

El_Duderino 09

Barry Buchanan wrote: »

Mate these turd brains want to ban clapping...it ain't outrage just bewilderment that spoilt first world sjws have to invent something that is 'oppressive'! Haha.

Call it bewilderment if you like. 9 pages of bewilderment. And back slapping about how bewildered the permanently offended/bewildered are.

It’s uni students in a different country throwing around ideas. I won’t worry about it. You seem to be bewildered enough for the 2 of us lol.

RustyNut

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't like ramps.

I don't know, they have their ups and downs.

FishOnABike

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't like ramps.

RustyNut wrote: »

I don't know, they have their ups and downs.

Careful now, you could be on a slippery slope there.

youreadthat

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s exactly what happening. The permanently offended are always banging on about the snowflakes and PC gone mad. Boards is full of the permanently offended slapping each other on the back for being outraged.

This thread is 9 pages old and I haven’t seen anyone who thinks that jazz hands is a good idea or that it will catch on.

I’d say there were always people who work to think outside the box and progress society and some ideas catch on where others don’t. The permanently offended are always going to be offended whether it’s a good idea or not.

Abolishing slavery was PC gone mad. Women’s suffrage was PC gone mad. Gay marriage was PC gone mad. It’s good that we don’t listen to the permanently offended.

Is comparing slavery and clapping a boards first?

El_Duderino 09

youreadthat wrote: »

Is comparing slavery and clapping a boards first?

Depends. If you actually read the post you’ll see it doesn't actually compare slavery to clapping. It compared the ‘PC gone mad’ reaction to both.

Sweetemotion

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Depends. If you actually read the post you’ll see it doesn't actually compare slavery to clapping. It compared the ‘PC gone mad’ reaction to both.

Abolishment of slavery wasn't "PC gone mad".
Women's suffrage wasn't "PC gone mad"
Gay marriage wasn't "PC gone mad".

Changing applause to jazz hands is PC gone mad.

Hector Bellend

This is why I both drink alcohol and hate people.

F*ck them and their applause

El_Duderino 09

Sweetemotion wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Depends. If you actually read the post you’ll see it doesn't actually compare slavery to clapping. It compared the ‘PC gone mad’ reaction to both.

Abolishment of slavery wasn't "PC gone mad".
Women's suffrage wasn't "PC gone mad"
Gay marriage wasn't "PC gone mad".

Changing applause to jazz hands is PC gone mad.

Of course they were the equivalent of PC gone mad in their own time. They’re just accepted as good ideas now.

uck51js9zml2yt

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Universities should be pc free zones.

Have fake universities for pc minded folk if they wish, and keep them all safe together.
Anyway, I'm having a sambo, and will be back to this topic later.

If the don't have a pc, how will they learn computer skills or type their theses?

They might have to do that old fashioned writing thing again, though I thought that went out with the dinosaurs:)

RIGOLO

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Of course they were the equivalent of PC gone mad in their own time. They’re just accepted as good ideas now.

Actually they werent...you used seat belts and hard hats in your post...

Im old enough to remember the campaigns for mandatory seat belts and hard hats, they were well before PC became even a term, there was no one saying " they were PC gone mad " cos people hadnt even heard of PC ...

mrcheez

Pretty easy solution.. do the Jazz hands, but then say "clap clap clap clap" over and over, or moan it if you have no tongue.

The blind, the hand-less, the tongue-less. All covered and not offended.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SnazzyPig wrote: »

What about students wih no hands?

Flair about epilectically.

El_Duderino 09

RIGOLO wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Of course they were the equivalent of PC gone mad in their own time. They’re just accepted as good ideas now.

Actually they werent...you used seat belts and hard hats in your post...

Im old enough to remember the campaigns for mandatory seat belts and hard hats, they were well before PC became even a term, there was no one saying " they were PC gone mad " cos people hadnt even heard of PC ...

Ok. Now read the post again and pay particular attention to the bit that says ‘Of course they were the equivalent of PC gone mad in their own time.’

The seatbelts and hard hats were the equivalent of health and safety gone mad in their time (PC gone mad and health and safety gone mad are essentially the same thing)

mcmoustache

Are jazz hands PC though? According to the internet, the first documented incident came from a movie called The Jazz Singer from 1927.

If your spidey senses are tingling when you think of blacks in the US in 1927 performing in movies, here's the guy who performed the jazz hands (it's the one on the left).

RIGOLO

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. Now read the post again and pay particular attention to the bit that says ‘Of course they were the equivalent of PC gone mad in their own time.’

The seatbelts and hard hats were the equivalent of health and safety gone mad in their time (PC gone mad and health and safety gone mad are essentially the same thing)

Nope,
the campaigns were presented as SAFETY campaigns and were pretty well accepted by the majority of people without much complaint at the time.
Of course there were a few outliers who didnt like their right to make theire own decisions being infringed upon.

But there was no 'equivalent of PC gone mad reaction' .
The PC gone mad reaction came about 10 years later, when PC did go mad and continues to do so.

El_Duderino 09

RIGOLO wrote: »

Nope,
the campaigns were presented as SAFETY campaigns and were pretty well accepted by the majority of people without much complaint at the time.
Of course there were a few outliers who didnt like their right to make theire own decisions being infringed upon.

But there was no 'equivalent of PC gone mad reaction' .
The PC gone mad reaction came about 10 years later, when PC did go mad and continues to do so.

Classic revisionism. In a couple of decades the same will be said of gay marriage too.

If you actually think change was good when you were young but change now is mad, then you’re falling for the commonest tricks age plays on people.

jmayo

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s exactly what happening. The permanently offended are always banging on about the snowflakes and PC gone mad. Boards is full of the permanently offended slapping each other on the back for being outraged.

This thread is 9 pages old and I haven’t seen anyone who thinks that jazz hands is a good idea or that it will catch on.

I’d say there were always people who work to think outside the box and progress society and some ideas catch on where others don’t. The permanently offended are always going to be offended whether it’s a good idea or not.

Abolishing slavery was PC gone mad. Women’s suffrage was PC gone mad. Gay marriage was PC gone mad. It’s good that we don’t listen to the permanently offended.

You really do talk some shyte.

And if there is any offense around here it is what you are doing to rational debate. :rolleyes:

freshpopcorn

I read the the thread tittle and thought it said clamping was going to replaced with jazz hands.