Homeless on cruise ship

stevek93

I have a sinking feeling about this

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/housing-minister-rejects-proposal-to-house-homeless-families-on-cruise-ship-37384433.html

Harry Palmr

Cruise liner prisons was er floated as an idea about 10 years ago probably in the UK.

Homing people on ships is the kind of thing you do during a war and that's it.

Tabnabs

Family sized cabins, large dining areas, indoor and outdoor recreational areas, big laundries, instant "build" with no planning permission required.

Sounds like a terrible short-stop solution to the homelessness crises we are enduring right now. But probably steps on too many vested interests toes and so the negative spin machine is rolled out.

Mookie Blaylock

I remember that episode of The Simpsons!

uncommon_name

This is "knot" a very good idea.
Imagine how expensive a cruise ship would be or how expensive it would be to house someone on one. It is hard to believe that it was even proposed to solve the issue.
There are plenty of houses, apartments and buildings that could be changed to living spaces all over Dublin and in the surrounding areas. Why not use them, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper.
The government already unnecessarily spend a lot of the tax payers money as it is. Not need to add more to it.

jack presley

Will they have to pay for the drinks package?

i71jskz5xu42pb

Why are so many councillors complete amadáns?

Cllr Smith proposal was dismissed as an “off the wall” idea by housing activist Fr Peter McVerry.

rafatoni

jack presley wrote: »

Will they have to pay for the drinks package?

Margaret be first looking for that.

DanMurphy

No worries... the idea was torpedoed.

NIMAN

Jez lads, less of the pun-toons will ye!

Graces7

uncommon_name wrote: »

This is "knot" a very good idea.
Imagine how expensive a cruise ship would be or how expensive it would be to house someone on one. It is hard to believe that it was even proposed to solve the issue.
There are plenty of houses, apartments and buildings that could be changed to living spaces all over Dublin and in the surrounding areas. Why not use them, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper.
The government already unnecessarily spend a lot of the tax payers money as it is. Not need to add more to it.

Homer

NIMAN wrote: »

Jez lads, less of the pun-toons will ye!

Yeah don't anchorage them

4068ac1elhodqr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Cruise liner prisons was er floated as an idea about 10 years ago probably in the UK.

There's a large one just off the Bronx, with the catchy name of the 'Vernon C. Bain Correctional Center prison barge'. The largest operational of this type in the world. It's not pretty.



Was built back in the 80's when NYC was more dangerous than London (no longer the case).

No reason something like this coudn't be built to deal with folks who need social housing, but that also fall into the category of 'requiring behavioural correction'.

Of course not suitable for families, disabled, genuine jobseekers and those in need of normal care, and who would be considered 'social' (as opposed to anti-social/society).

Pelvis

Can you imagine what it would look like after a month?

Reckless Abandonment

Just build some houses ffs.
Doesn't matter how many. Just start building them . All this stop gap ****e is getting us no where
.

mzungu

Wharf the hell are they thinking?

uncommon_name

Graces7 wrote: »

Surprised you want me to expand on that comment.
Not going off topic anyway that is for another forum.

4068ac1elhodqr

Then again if it has a pool, DJ booth, and if someone opens a specific branded doughnut outlet to surf the masses, it might even be a success.



Built it and they will come, well 1m may well arrive, by 2040 regardless.

wexie

Davion Shaggy Radiance wrote: »

No reason something like this coudn't be built to deal with folks who need social housing, but that also fall into the category of 'requiring behavioural correction'.

Or perhaps use it to house all of those with antisocial behaviour and umpteen convictions that are already occupying social housing and use the freed up social housing to start addressing the housing problem?

Wouldn't be ideal but wouldn't be a bad start either.

Skylinehead

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Cruise liner prisons was er floated as an idea about 10 years ago probably in the UK.

My grandfather was interned by them on a ship in the 70s!

Red_Wake

Hailey Cool Meal wrote: »

Why are so many councillors complete amadáns?

Cllr Smith proposal was dismissed as an “off the wall” idea by housing activist Fr Peter McVerry.

Tbf to it, there's no cost analysis done on it.

I'd say it'd actually be cheaper on per person basis than other forms of social housing. Which would be great for the taxpayer.

However, I'd say it'd go down like a lead balloon amongst the welfare monkeys who'll have to live in their own closed dysfunctional society of  doler chimps.

screamer

Cruise ships...nah...how bout a few trailer parks, that would be much cheaper

Graces7

Are we really going back to Victorian ideas? Prison hulks? It'll be workhouses next..

Fiery mutant

Graces7 wrote: »

Are we really going back to Victorian ideas? Prison hulks? It'll be workhouses next..

Workhouse??? Are you mad?

They won't work.

goose2005

Graces7 wrote: »

Are we really going back to Victorian ideas? Prison hulks? It'll be workhouses next..

The hulks were mostly gone by Victoria's times, they were more Georgian

Sciprio

It's a stupid idead at least it got rejected because if it didn't we'd have some people complaining about others getting free cruise ships and we can't be having that.

odyssey06

Eoghan didnt go for it because they would still show up on his stats. If someone suggested a one way trip he would have gone for it....

hatrickpatrick

I've often wondered how practical it would be to buy a decent yacht and live in it as an alternative to housing. How long can you drop anchor in one place without needing to pay some kind of fee? You'd be spending money on petrol etc for electricity and so on, but surely the amount would be peanuts compared with today's rents?

Genuine question, I have no idea about boat running costs myself so this could be totally unfeasible and more expensive than renting - I honestly don't know?

Purple Mountain

What's the difference between this and a hotel??

wexie

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've often wondered how practical it would be to buy a decent yacht and live in it as an alternative to housing. How long can you drop anchor in one place without needing to pay some kind of fee? You'd be spending money on petrol etc for electricity and so on, but surely the amount would be peanuts compared with today's rents?

Genuine question, I have no idea about boat running costs myself so this could be totally unfeasible and more expensive than renting - I honestly don't know?

https://www.dlmarina.com/rates/

Would work out at € 6,675.00 for a 15 meter yacht.

Don't know if you'd actually be allowed to live there long term though.

http://www.iwai.ie/forum/read.php?1,53137
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/interiors/floating-home-living-rent-free-on-ireland-s-waterways-1.2767232
http://mygrandcanaldock.ie/news/houseboat-living/

The Oort Cloud

The native Irish look like the refugees being dumped onto a ship while the migrants and refugees are housed. The distain for native Irish people from this government is sickening.

super_furry

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

The native Irish look like the refugees being dumped onto a ship while the migrants and refugees are housed. The distain for native Irish people from this government is sickening.

You're silly and you can't read.

The Oort Cloud

super_furry wrote: »

You're silly and you can't read.

Idiot

archer22

Well all those who go around blowing about how they were "on a cruise ship with the last six weeks" would certainly become quieter

nim1bdeh38l2cw

Purple Mountain wrote: »

What's the difference between this and a hotel??

We can sail the ship to Australia and make it someone else's problem to deal with the scumbags.

DEFTLEFTHAND

It would only be a matter of time before somebody got hurt or worse.

Not a good idea.

Pherekydes

Purple Mountain wrote: »

What's the difference between this and a hotel??

A hotel's a hotel.

A cruise ship is an entire (floating) resort.

I was homeless for a week in August.


We called at Palma, Marseille, La Spezia...

:pac:

odyssey06

Longer timelines obviously, but why rent a cruise ship when you can build an island to house 50,000 people ... this isn't scifi, this is Denmark:
http://cphpost.dk/news/copenhagen-to-get-new-district-on-massive-artificial-island.html

DoozerT6

I mean, it could work up to a point maybe. House the genuinely in need as opposed to those trying to skip the housing queue or voluntary rough sleepers, then spend a month or two adapting the ship: completely block access to anywhere except the cabin areas and laundry facilities. They could use those large steel-type doors that could be removed after the ship is de-commissioned (if ever!) to cordon off other areas. People would have a room with a bed, a shower, access to a laundry, and maybe a kettle or microwave in each room for basic food requirements. That's about all they would have in a hotel anyway. (Dunno about tv's etc).Residents would be responsible for cleaning their own cabins with their own cleaning products. Staff could oversee hallways and laundry room and any security issues that may arise. Have a few basic family cabins available for those who need them, but remove access to luxury suites to avoid bad feeling.

It's not ideal by a long shot, but it's a short-term solution while houses are actually being built. It wouldn't - and shouldn't - be too comfortable, and scammers might think twice before trying to play the system if they thought they might have to spend 6/12 months or so in the Navy, basically

4068ac1elhodqr

odyssey06 wrote: »

Longer timelines obviously, but why rent a cruise ship when you can build an island to house 50,000 people ... this isn't scifi, this is Denmark:
http://cphpost.dk/news/copenhagen-to-get-new-district-on-massive-artificial-island.html

Not a bad idea, ideally create a riveria out from the extreme SW all the way towards Porto Delgado (most of that part of the Atlantic might be considered Ire territory). Sunny times!

Gael23

Can’t imagine what damage hundreds of people sh***ing into a harbour every day would do.

appledrop

Reckless Abandonment wrote: »

Just build some houses ffs.
Doesn't matter how many. Just start building them . All this stop gap ****e is getting us no where
.

I couldn't agree more. Waffle again on radio today about building modular apartments on top of building. FFS it's Ireland not New York. The council's in Dublin have plenty of land. Stop waffling + get building proper normal houses!

DanMurphy

Where are all the Irish that went to Haiti to build houses after an earthquake?
The Niall Mellon Trust I think it was called.

JupiterKid

Life on a boat is great, but not practical for most. Since the 1960s thousands of Amsterdammers live in houseboats - some very big and spacious - moored along the city's many canals.

Just build the bloody housing FFS...