32 County Ireland keeps the Northern Ireland Assembly?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No more complicated than FG and a mixum gaterum of independents agreeing with FF to allow them to rule.

The complications in the north arise because of the unresolved effects of partition, the effects of which and the conflict after can still be seen in our own political set up.

Ok, not complicated, I should have said that an unbigoted society wouldn't have needed the complicated institutionalised power-sharing arrangements.

There is no comparison with the South.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Ok, not complicated, I should have said that an unbigoted society wouldn't have needed the complicated institutionalised power-sharing arrangements.

There is no comparison with the South.

Bigotry is a symptom of the north's problems. The real reason for the governmental arrangements is the absolute failure of partition and the statelet created in it's wake.

There is a comaparison with the south in that it struggled for decades with civil war politics which started as a result of the same partition.

The quiet acceptance that FF FG are more or less the same party now signals the end of that, hopefully.

Junkyard Tom

blanch152 wrote: »

We don't need those measures because we are not a bigoted society like the North of Ireland.

So the Orange/Unionist 'Lover Ulster' crowd decide they're going to march through Tralee and we won't need a parades commission to see if it's feasible?

Yeah, sure.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bigotry is a symptom of the north's problems. The real reason for the governmental arrangements is the absolute failure of partition and the statelet created in it's wake.

There is a comaparison with the south in that it struggled for decades with civil war politics which started as a result of the same partition.

The quiet acceptance that FF FG are more or less the same party now signals the end of that, hopefully.

Bigotry is the cause of the North's problems (together with 18th century nationalism). Without either of those, the people of the North wouldn't care about Dublin or London.

You are talking nonsense with the comparison with the South. The political divide in the North is based on religious bigotry with the two main parties up to their necks in it (and yes, the DUP is worse than SF, before you come back on that point maybe 10 out of 10 compared to 8.5 out of ten, when even Peter Fitzpatrick would only rank as 0.05). At no time in the South, was the political system ever base on religious bigotry.

Until we have an end to both the DUP and SF with political parties drawing support from both sides of the current side, then, and only then will Northern Ireland be approaching a normal society.

blanch152

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

So the Orange/Unionist 'Lover Ulster' crowd decide they're going to march through Tralee and we won't need a parades commission to see if it's feasible?

Yeah, sure.

Nope. We won't need a parades commission. We already have parades and protest marches for all sorts of reasons and people are just blase about it, except if it delays their bus home.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Bigotry is the cause of the North's problems (together with 18th century nationalism). Without either of those, the people of the North wouldn't care about Dublin or London.

You are talking nonsense with the comparison with the South. The political divide in the North is based on religious bigotry with the two main parties up to their necks in it (and yes, the DUP is worse than SF, before you come back on that point maybe 10 out of 10 compared to 8.5 out of ten, when even Peter Fitzpatrick would only rank as 0.05). At no time in the South, was the political system ever base on religious bigotry.

Until we have an end to both the DUP and SF with political parties drawing support from both sides of the current side, then, and only then will Northern Ireland be approaching a normal society.

You really cannot get past your biases can you?

Partition focused the problems caused by British rule into a religious divide. Bigotry is a symptom of that, not the cause, partition is the cause of it. Partition allowed one religious set to subjugate the other. A religious set that is still stubbornly refusing to fully implement the agreement and the process that ended the conflict. 'Ending' the DUP or SF will solve nothing as they represent real people, the overwhelming majority of real people, something you conveniently forget.

This is basic stuff really.