Leinster v Wasps Match thread Friday 12 October 7.45pm

errlloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

In my fantasy team

Captain of my fantasy team.

thebaz

did TG4 or RTE show the games last year - no highlight show this year -

The Lost Sheep

thebaz wrote: »

did TG4 or RTE show the games last year - no highlight show this year

Highlights on tv3 tomorrow night

errlloyd

Regarding the match, from the 5th minute to 40th minute Leinster were making some poor errors. Lineouts going awry, free kicks awarded, Larmour well out on the full. Luke McGrath doing the same I think.

From the clock going red the first time, till the clock going red the second time Leinster were the best they've ever been. Pure filth.

Clegg

errlloyd wrote: »

Regarding the match, from the 5th minute to 40th minute Leinster were making some poor errors. Lineouts going awry, free kicks awarded, Larmour well out on the full. Luke McGrath doing the same I think.

From the clock going red the first time, till the clock going red the second time Leinster were the best they've ever been. Pure filth.

Leinster's strategy in the first half was actually very successful. Wasps made 130 tackles in that half compared to Leinster's 40. They were worn down. Biggest problem in the first 40 was the handling errors.clos.eto their line.

Squidgy Black

Clegg wrote: »

Leinster's strategy in the first half was actually very successful. Wasps made 130 tackles in that half compared to Leinster's 40. They were worn down. Biggest problem in the first 40 was the handling errors.clos.eto their line.

We also had 74% possession or something mental like that, and played everything with ball in hand. When you're holding on to the ball for that long there's bound to be errors along the way.

errlloyd

Squidgy Black wrote: »

We also had 74% possession or something mental like that, and played everything with ball in hand. When you're holding on to the ball for that long there's bound to be errors along the way.

Men the errors listed above aren't in play errors. Healy knock on, Jack poor offload, sexton not catching Lowe pass, two jackals from poor clearouts. They're gonna happen.

Those other issues, the messed up lineouts, kicks on the full, scrum penalties are more worrying. There is still stuff to work on.

twinytwo

Dire stuff from wasps - gotta feel sorry for Daly and Le Roux.


If munster can get half that score today id be happy :pac:

Still can't get over the quality of the rugby on display last night. Wasps didn't give a good account of themselves but when Leinster turned it on they were devastating.

prawnsambo

twinytwo wrote: »

Dire stuff from wasps - gotta feel sorry for Daly and Le Roux.


If munster can get half that score today id be happy :pac:

Wasps fans were very annoyed with Daly kicking the ball away so much. Le Roux gets a pass because he was just back from playing the ABs. But Daly getting a lot of stick.

molloyjh

Can anyone explain to me these comments about Cronin being offside? Looks to me like he was behind the ball. And the last man to join the ruck is entitled to play the ball from the ruck anyway (although it’s debateable whether he actually joined the ruck, I’m not sure he did).

molloyjh

molloyjh wrote: »

Can anyone explain to me these comments about Cronin being offside? Looks to me like he was behind the ball. And the last man to join the ruck is entitled to play the ball from the ruck anyway (although it’s debateable whether he actually joined the ruck, I’m not sure he did).

So a ruck had formed, he came into pillar but was standing slightly ahead of where the ball was at the breakdown.

He reached back to pick it up and would have been offside doing so. Only a few inches in it and he didn't at all need to play the ball offside as Wasps weren't defending around the fringes but still should have been a penalty to Wasps.

prawnsambo

Deleted User wrote: »

So a ruck had formed, he came into pillar but was standing slightly ahead of where the ball was at the breakdown.

He reached back to pick it up and would have been offside doing so. Only a few inches in it and he didn't at all need to play the ball offside as Wasps weren't defending around the fringes but still should have been a penalty to Wasps.

It was actually finer margins than that. The commentary team were saying that both his feet weren't behinid the ball, just one of them. And there really wasn't a great angle to view that definitively.

The Rape of Lucretia

In common with most here, I thought Leinster player quite well and deserved their win. They have some good players for sure.

prawnsambo

So going back to the comparisons between Conan and Heaslip. Conan had 19 carries for 55m gained, third highest for Leinster. Made 10 tackles and missed 1. Highest tackle count and double that of Ruddock. But Ruddock is getting lots of praise and Conan isn't mentioned. That's true Jamie Heaslip levels of 'unseen work' right there.

irishbucsfan

prawnsambo wrote: »

So going back to the comparisons between Conan and Heaslip. Conan had 19 carries for 55m gained, third highest for Leinster. Made 10 tackles and missed 1. Highest tackle count and double that of Ruddock. But Ruddock is getting lots of praise and Conan isn't mentioned. That's true Jamie Heaslip levels of 'unseen work' right there.

Well I'm sure Conan will be starting for Ireland, the Lions and nominated for WPotY in that case

Faugheen

prawnsambo wrote: »

So going back to the comparisons between Conan and Heaslip. Conan had 19 carries for 55m gained, third highest for Leinster. Made 10 tackles and missed 1. Highest tackle count and double that of Ruddock. But Ruddock is getting lots of praise and Conan isn't mentioned. That's true Jamie Heaslip levels of 'unseen work' right there.

Conan was great but Ruddock seemed to be involved almost everywhere. Conan’s breakdown work was grand yesterday but he still has that tendency to go missing.

It’s improved 10 fold since he first broke into the scene, but he’s still nowhere near Heaslip’s level.

molloyjh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So a ruck had formed, he came into pillar but was standing slightly ahead of where the ball was at the breakdown.

He reached back to pick it up and would have been offside doing so. Only a few inches in it and he didn't at all need to play the ball offside as Wasps weren't defending around the fringes but still should have been a penalty to Wasps.

I might just leave this here so. This was immediately before he picked up the ball. Seems fine to me.

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

So a ruck had formed, he came into pillar but was standing slightly ahead of where the ball was at the breakdown.

He reached back to pick it up and would have been offside doing so. Only a few inches in it and he didn't at all need to play the ball offside as Wasps weren't defending around the fringes but still should have been a penalty to Wasps.

The camera angle was not in line so it was a pointless discussion point.....


If the camera was 100% in line then potentially you could say it was offside but extremely hard for ref to pick it,.....it was a good 10 mins before BT mentioned it.....


Similar to the supposed forward pass. As BT said later on they had no idea did it make any difference it was forward as the pass was not completed....also again camera was not in line and the pass the players hands seems to point backwardsso was it forward at all?????


Pointless discussion because Wasps still couldn't attack at all

prawnsambo

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well I'm sure Conan will be starting for Ireland, the Lions and nominated for WPotY in that case

We'll see.

Shefwedfan

twinytwo wrote: »

Dire stuff from wasps - gotta feel sorry for Daly and Le Roux.


If munster can get half that score today id be happy :pac:

Daly and Le Roux kicked the ball everytime they got it back to Leinster, absolutely stupid from senior players. Some of the attempted kicks from Le Roux where stupid of the highest order,



Wasn't it Daly who kicked a few out on the full at restart?

prawnsambo

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Daly and Le Roux kicked the ball everytime they got it back to Leinster, absolutely stupid from senior players. Some of the attempted kicks from Le Roux where stupid of the highest order,



Wasn't it Daly who kicked a few out on the full at restart?

In the first half, Le Roux kicked a ball out on the full that Larmour had kicked to him and Le Roux had actually carried it back into the 22. Wasn't spotted.

OldRio

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The camera angle was not in line so it was a pointless discussion point.....


If the camera was 100% in line then potentially you could say it was offside but extremely hard for ref to pick it,.....it was a good 10 mins before BT mentioned it.....


Similar to the supposed forward pass. As BT said later on they had no idea did it make any difference it was forward as the pass was not completed....also again camera was not in line and the pass the players hands seems to point backwardsso was it forward at all?????


Pointless discussion because Wasps still couldn't attack at all

'supposed forward pass' Ah now is this a joke?

Shefwedfan

OldRio wrote: »

'supposed forward pass' Ah now is this a joke?

Nobody knows if forward or not, some clown stuck his hand out and knocked it forward......

I don't hear much talk of the deliberate knock on earlier in half when ref said it was accidental and it was no more accidental than the man on the moon....

So that should have been a yellow card as well.....

Also on McGrath try and scrum half slide in with his knee and hit McGrath on the head, really that sort of tackle should be red card and stamped out of the game, seems to be a common thing over the last while. Disgraceful carry on to a player unable to defend themselves on the ground

Leinster could start with all of them....Im sure if I watch another few replays I can find another 10-20

prawnsambo

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody knows if forward or not, some clown stuck his hand out and knocked it forward......

I don't hear much talk of the deliberate knock on earlier in half when ref said it was accidental and it was no more accidental than the man on the moon....

So that should have been a yellow card as well.....

Also on McGrath try and scrum half slide in with his knee and hit McGrath on the head, really that sort of tackle should be red card and stamped out of the game, seems to be a common thing over the last while. Disgraceful carry on to a player unable to defend themselves on the ground

Leinster could start with all of them....Im sure if I watch another few replays I can find another 10-20

Ah, it was way forward. And when you consider it only went a yard or two and still looked way forward, it was way forward.

Shefwedfan

prawnsambo wrote: »

Ah, it was way forward. And when you consider it only went a yard or two and still looked way forward, it was way forward.

Yes it "looked" forward but the camera was not direct across the line and the pass was no completed so nobody knows.....

OldRio

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody knows if forward or not, some clown stuck his hand out and knocked it forward......

I don't hear much talk of the deliberate knock on earlier in half when ref said it was accidental and it was no more accidental than the man on the moon....

So that should have been a yellow card as well.....

Also on McGrath try and scrum half slide in with his knee and hit McGrath on the head, really that sort of tackle should be red card and stamped out of the game, seems to be a common thing over the last while. Disgraceful carry on to a player unable to defend themselves on the ground

Leinster could start with all of them....Im sure if I watch another few replays I can find another 10-20

Wow. Just wow.
As for the matter I was referring to. It was forward.

prawnsambo

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes it "looked" forward but the camera was not direct across the line and the pass was no completed so nobody knows.....

Only if you close one eye and wave your hand in front of your face. It was obviously forward. No matter what camera angle you looked at, except the one from behind.

irishbucsfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't hear much talk of the deliberate knock on earlier in half when ref said it was accidental and it was no more accidental than the man on the moon....

Is this the one where the ref reversed his decision after seeing it on the replay?

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Is this the one where the ref reversed his decision after seeing it on the replay?

Yes but no yellow card....


The ball was going to Kearney and they had no cover till Le Roux is I recall correctly.....so yes that could be seen as a yellow as well....


Please note I didn't want a yellow

I am just making a point in regards to all the people crying on here about forward pass and Nuggets foot in wrong place.....if you want to analyze every second of the game you will get different opinions.....

part of the fun of the sport, loads of posts on here calling for the TMO to look at the yellow card. Why?

irishbucsfan

So using an example of a correct decision to show how Leinster had some decisions go against them...

Cronin's try was fine. Leinster were definitely lucky for Sopoaga's yellow card.

PhlegmyMoses

Normally happy to have a ref discussion after a game but not arsed after a 50 point smoking like that. Wasps were very poor, decisions or not.

molloyjh

irishbucsfan wrote: »

So using an example of a correct decision to show how Leinster had some decisions go against them...

Cronin's try was fine. Leinster were definitely lucky for Sopoaga's yellow card.

Yep, but there had been a high tackle a few mins before that which should have seen yellow so I think it all balanced out in the end. Either way, there’s no chance that Wasps could have continued with that defensive effort all game. They were always going to crack. Even if there were a couple of ropey decisions, they had no bearing on the game really.

prawnsambo

molloyjh wrote: »

Yep, but there had been a high tackle a few mins before that which should have seen yellow so I think it all balanced out in the end. Either way, there’s no chance that Wasps could have continued with that defensive effort all game. They were always going to crack. Even if there were a couple of ropey decisions, they had no bearing on the game really.

Dai Young was lamenting this when interviewed during the first half. "Can't keep this number of tackles up" or words to that effect.

molloyjh

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Normally happy to have a ref discussion after a game but not arsed after a 50 point smoking like that. Wasps were very poor, decisions or not.

I felt for Wasps at the end. They had put in a good defensive shift for in and around an hour by and large. They just couldn’t get their hands on the ball and couldn’t create anything when they did. But they weren’t lacking for effort at all. It was only in the final quarter that they really fell apart. Going into that final quarter it was 28-3, but 14 of those points came during the yellow card period. So for 50 of those minutes they only conceded twice. Leinster scored 4 of their 8 tries in the final 20 mins.

For me the hunger to keep going and not drop off was the best part about that Leinster performance. Going back to the days of Joe Schmidt’s Leinster, we still had a tendency to take the foot off the gas when the game was won. Bath in 2011 for example. There was none of that last night. We went for a full 80 regardless of the scoreline. That’s the sort of attitude you want to see.

troyzer

Can I just point out the highlight of last night was a Catholic taxi driver teaching BOD how to throw a petrol bomb?

Shefwedfan

troyzer wrote: »

Can I just point out the highlight of last night was a Catholic taxi driver teaching BOD how to throw a petrol bomb?

After I watched that part I turned it off:P:P

troyzer

Shefwedfan wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Can I just point out the highlight of last night was a Catholic taxi driver teaching BOD how to throw a petrol bomb?

After I watched that part I turned it off:P:P

You missed the part where BOD was learning how to wire a pipe bomb.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/WaspsRugby/status/1050843372074819587?s=19

If Leinster's twitter account did this I'd be kinda annoyed, especially if we were taking a tonking at the time.

It's indirectly commenting on the quality of their own bench.

I'm probably being unreasonable but it was the first thing which came to mind. Very funny though.

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

If Leinster's twitter account did this I'd be kinda annoyed, especially if we were taking a tonking at the time.

It's indirectly commenting on the quality of their own bench.

I'm probably being unreasonable but it was the first thing which came to mind. Very funny though.

Something else came to my mind. I wonder do the English Premiership sides think that the irish teams have huge budgets that Leinster can have such a strong bench.



If you look at it Wasps would have a bigger budget to Leinster but the bench last night was some comparison.



It would be interesting to see if the English supporter realize the waste of money by English clubs

Squidgy Black

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Something else came to my mind. I wonder do the English Premiership sides think that the irish teams have huge budgets that Leinster can have such a strong bench.



If you look at it Wasps would have a bigger budget to Leinster but the bench last night was some comparison.



It would be interesting to see if the English supporter realize the waste of money by English clubs

I'd say you'd be surprised at how close Leinster's budget would be to most of the Premiership sides. It's just that the records aren't made public.

troyzer

This sentiment has been doing the rounds on some of the Wasps' facebook posts I've been frequenting to harvest tears.

jacothelad

Try_harder wrote: »

moths - I've never heard that used to describe women ever... big jump there

Yes. You'll never hear anyone say "Look at the baps on that lepidoptera.'

jacothelad

thomond2006 wrote: »

Has someone just told him how good Ruddock is?:D

stephen_n

Watched the game back there now, despite how bad Wasps were in attack. They defended extremely well for 60 minutes and Leinster still managed four tries against them. Thought Poite was a little inconsistent last night watching Live, but watching back he had a really good game. Though he needs to speed up the scrums, it may make the outcome more stable, but it takes too long. Simpson should have gone to the bin for his chespshot on McGraths head after he scored the try just before halftime, I hate that scummy ****. Ringrose had a superb game, himself and Henshaw partnered so well last night, good to see before the AI’s. This is now probably the best Leinster team we have seen.

Steve

jacothelad wrote: »

Yes. You'll never hear anyone say "Look at the baps on that lepidoptera.'

MOD:

Drop it please.

prawnsambo

stephen_n wrote: »

Watched the game back there now, despite how bad Wasps were in attack. They defended extremely well for 60 minutes and Leinster still managed four tries against them. Thought Poite was a little inconsistent last night watching Live, but watching back he had a really good game. Though he needs to speed up the scrums, it may make the outcome more stable, but it takes too long. Simpson should have gone to the bin for his chespshot on McGraths head after he scored the try just before halftime, I hate that scummy ****. Ringrose had a superb game, himself and Henshaw partnered so well last night, good to see before the AI’s. This is now probably the best Leinster team we have seen.

We'll face sterner tests, but if a message was to be delivered to the rest of the competition, that was a pretty emphatic one.

stephen_n

prawnsambo wrote: »

We'll face sterner tests, but if a message was to be delivered to the rest of the competition, that was a pretty emphatic one.

The saying you can only play what’s in front of you comes to mind. We had similar possession and territory to Munster last week, but look at the difference in how we used it.