Got to love the left.

JohnMc1

Tell me how wrote: »

Can you provide some facts to support your claims please that these are common motivations of those on the left.

You need facts posted to you believe that there are only 2 Genders? :rolleyes: The Left is lost.

hatrickpatrick

AnneFrank wrote: »

Reminds me of the way most of our country nearly wet themselves to protect the Muslim brotherhoods member Inrahim Malawhi, what a joke

FFS, that was a totally different situation - the MB were, like it or not, democratically elected. The Army overthrew them using extreme violence and banned people from opposing this even through ordinary protest.

The MB are by no means good people, but in a democracy, when a party gets elected, it gets elected. Overthrowing a democratic election using violence is bullsh!t.

Tell me how

JohnMc1 wrote:

You need facts posted to you believe that there are only 2 Genders? The Left is lost.

You see, what you stated was people can pick and choose which gender they are.

Like I said, the vast majority on the left don't believe that, they believe you can realise that you relate more to a specific gender and then live your life as that gender.

Again, please provide facts to back up your claims please.

hatrickpatrick

Can we please stop talking as if the identity politics nutcases represent "the left"? They really don't, any more than the Return of Kings types represent "the right". Many, many people on the left are social libertarians, who initially became leftists to oppose the social authoritarianism of the right (banning things or restricting individual freedom on "family values" grounds) - to those of us who did, the new authoritarian left is an absolute scourge and a fundamental betrayal of leftist values.

For example, the left was always opposed to censorship in the past, now it's leading the charge on turning the internet into a curated, supervised "playground" environment. Those who became leftists in the 90s or 2000s do not support this sh!t, and some of us are very vocal in opposing it.
Similarly with the abortion campaign - most leftists are pro-choice on individual freedom grounds, but the militant f*ckers who thought it was ok to rip down opposition posters, or threaten to boycott venues which had the temerity to offer a space for the right to hold meetings or rallies, or thought it was ok to sneer, condescend and downright insult anyone who was undecided instead of working to earn their vote - these people are actively despised by a significant proportion of leftists. They just get far too much attention because it makes good clickbait for the press, and this in turn encourages them to carry on acting like complete assholes unabated.

These people are not "the left". They have more in common with the Christian Conservative Right than they'd ever actually admit, and certainly far more than they have in common with the genuine liberal left.

Brian?

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Can we please stop talking as if the identity politics nutcases represent "the left"? They really don't, any more than the Return of Kings types represent "the right". Many, many people on the left are social libertarians, who initially became leftists to oppose the social authoritarianism of the right (banning things or restricting individual freedom on "family values" grounds) - to those of us who did, the new authoritarian left is an absolute scourge and a fundamental betrayal of leftist values.

For example, the left was always opposed to censorship in the past, now it's leading the charge on turning the internet into a curated, supervised "playground" environment. Those who became leftists in the 90s or 2000s do not support this sh!t, and some of us are very vocal in opposing it.
Similarly with the abortion campaign - most leftists are pro-choice on individual freedom grounds, but the militant f*ckers who thought it was ok to rip down opposition posters, or threaten to boycott venues which had the temerity to offer a space for the right to hold meetings or rallies, or thought it was ok to sneer, condescend and downright insult anyone who was undecided instead of working to earn their vote - these people are actively despised by a significant proportion of leftists. They just get far too much attention because it makes good clickbait for the press, and this in turn encourages them to carry on acting like complete assholes unabated.

These people are not "the left". They have more in common with the Christian Conservative Right than they'd ever actually admit, and certainly far more than they have in common with the genuine liberal left.

Well said. These people are a tiny minority of society.

Chris_Heilong

i think the crazy left(not normal leftists) is a millennial thing as most Generation Z people seem to be very anti-SJW thanks to social media showing how nuts they are so there is hope.

Odhinn

JohnMc1 wrote: »

LOL. You're side believes:

1) You can choose what Gender you are like you would a pair of socks [and can even be neither Male or Female]
2) "We'll make Socialism work this time."
3)Feelings trump facts
4)That mass unchecked immigration will somehow fix our homeless and healthcare crisis.

You are not the side of sense and reason so drop the smug, condescending attitude.

Do you spend a lot of time worrying about transgender issues?

Gimme a Belt!

Gimme a Belt! wrote: »

You are free to disagree but the leftist hivemind tells us that massive immigration from the third world is unquestionably a good thing and anyone who disagrees is a racist (hence the Germans, British and Swedish governments attempts to cover up migrant sex crimes).

As for the right atm I would say our concerns are ending illegal migration, eradicating Islamic terrorism, getting tough on crime and keeping the economy strong.

So no problem with other terrorism then?

end of the road

JohnMc1 wrote: »

LOL. You're side believes:

1) You can choose what Gender you are like you would a pair of socks [and can even be neither Male or Female]

given that changing gender like a pair of socks, and identifying as neither male or female, doesn't even register in the thought processes of most people, meaning it doesn't have massive support, then how does it even matter?

JohnMc1 wrote: »

2) "We'll make Socialism work this time."

socialism in it's basic form works. extreme socialism which few will support, no

JohnMc1 wrote: »

3)Feelings trump facts

no different to the right then.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

4)That mass unchecked immigration will somehow fix our homeless and healthcare crisis.

mass unchecked immigration isn't supported by all on the left. probably most actually.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

You are not the side of sense and reason so drop the smug, condescending attitude.

oh but we are the side of sense and reason. the alt/far/hard right on the other hand, are the side of alternative facts, fake news, simplistic plattitudes and failed ideology.

riffmongous

bubblypop wrote: »

What about Buddhists committing genocide?

There's a few on here who've openly said they have no problem with it

B0jangles

Look at aaaaaaaalll these crazy, virtue-signalling germans:



It's amazing they dare to even leave the house knowing that SuperSharia has completely replaced german law and immigration has made the entire country a No Go Zone which smells faintly of falafel.

Protesters from across Germany have marched through Berlin against racism, xenophobia and the far right in one of the country’s biggest rallies of recent years.

Organisers put the turnout at 242,000 people. The demonstration on Saturday followed anti-immigration protests in several eastern cities over the summer and a rise in support for the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party before a state election in Bavaria on Sunday.

A police spokesman declined to estimate the size of the crowd at the march, which was organised by a broad alliance of associations, labour unions, parties and rights groups including Amnesty International.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/14/german-march-against-far-right-draws-huge-crowds-in-berlin

alternative report:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45851665

blinding

Tell me how wrote: »

These people were trying to be compassionate in what was (and probably will be 90% of the time) a misguided manner.

If people being compassionate is used as an excuse to justify Trump his behavior and morals then the world truly is on a slippery slope.

They were Dumb and being dumb is what brought Trump .

The left are Dumb . When they get into power they don’t know how to do anything or get anything done .

Omackeral

riffmongous wrote: »

the blame for Trump lies strictly with the retards who like him and vote for him.

Anyone who voted for him is a retard? That's just ignorant as f*ck. ''They don't agree with my views so they're retards.'' Basically, that's the hard left in a nutshell. So far left that they've come out the other side.

Tell me how

blinding wrote:

The left are Dumb . When they get into power they don’t know how to do anything or get anything done .

Obama presided over the recovery of the US economy and brought about the most radical overhaul of US healthcare system.

You wouldn't have read about it on Breitbart of course.

B0jangles

Omackeral wrote: »

Anyone who voted for him is a retard? That's just ignorant as f*ck. ''They don't agree with my views so they're retards.'' Basically, that's the hard left in a nutshell. So far left that they've come out the other side.

Anyone who spent more than 5 minutes learning about Donald Trump and the person he has consistently shown himself to be in the 70+ years he has been on the planet, and thought:

"this man is competent to be president of the United States"

is severely, profoundly lacking in critical judgement.
Trying to shift the blame for Trump's election on to the people who said ' he's a fool and a liar and you are fools for voting for him' is not only foolish, but cowardly.

Gimme a Belt!

Gimme a Belt! wrote: »

Terrible but they're not commuting mass sex crimes in Europe, shooting up concert venues, blowing up tube stations, running over people in trucks etc

Now to play your game, why aren't you angry about any of the above?

Who said I wasn't angry about terrorist attacks?
I don't like anyone committing any crimes

But I don't just dislike it in Europe, I don't like it anywhere

Tell me how

Omackeral wrote:

Anyone who voted for him is a retard? That's just ignorant as f*ck. ''They don't agree with my views so they're retards.'' Basically, that's the hard left in a nutshell. So far left that they've come out the other side.

As a left inclined individual, can I ask you to stop suggesting we all think that way. We all don't. Certainly,the extreme left do.

This throwing a lasso around everyone who doesn't agree with you and saying they all think the same way is nuts.

I don't think everyone who voted for him is nuts, I recognize how much they hated the alternative, but those that are ardent fans and wearing MAGA hats I do think are mostly ill-informed and manipulated.

Tell me how

Gimme a Belt! wrote:

Are you seriously doing the 'white people did bad things in the past so no white person can ever utter a negative comment about immigration' routine?

FFS.

I'm talking about the last 12 months. Vegas concert? Charlotsville riots?

hmmm

B0jangles wrote: »

Look at aaaaaaaalll these crazy, virtue-signalling germans:

The polls are telling a different story.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45857699

The left seems to confuse the number of people who take part in protests with electoral success.

Personally I'm quite open to immigration, but the shouting down of people who aren't has led to a sullen silence which is being expressed through the ballot box and the rise of the stupid right - e.g. fascists, Trump, Brexit etc. If the left allowed a more open debate, I think we'd see a more moderate electorate response - unfortunately most of the left are, well, dopes, and think that preventing debate is the same as winning.

Omackeral

Tell me how wrote: »

As a left inclined individual, can I ask you to stop suggesting we all think that way. We all don't. Certainly,the extreme left do.

Read what I wrote again before misquoting me.

Omackeral wrote: »

Anyone who voted for him is a retard? That's just ignorant as f*ck. ''They don't agree with my views so they're retards.'' Basically, that's the hard left in a nutshell. So far left that they've come out the other side.

''The hard left'' is what I said. I'm referring to the extreme left in the above.

blinding

Tell me how wrote: »

Obama presided over the recovery of the US economy and brought about the most radical overhaul of US healthcare system.

You wouldn't have read about it on Breitbart of course.

He also deported more that anyone ever before ! Maybe not such a leftie on deportations .

Brian?

Omackeral wrote: »

Read what I wrote again before misquoting me.



''The hard left'' is what I said. I'm referring to the extreme left in the above.

Define the “hard left” or the “extreme left” please.

mick malones mauser

Was Bertie Ahern not the last socialist left in Ireland

AnneFrank

biko wrote: »

I doubt these libtards had moved a muscle if the deportee were Polish or Australian (aka white).

Most normal people wouldn't use that word

Omackeral

Brian? wrote: »

Define the “hard left” or the “extreme left” please.

You know when people on here say alt-right, well think the opposing side of that. Extreme end of that spectrum, whatever way you wanna put it. Basically, intolerant fcukers and no better than what they propose to hate. Anti-facists and fascists are quickly becoming one and the same. Two sides of the same coin.

Anyway, that's who I was referring to when I said the far left. Never said ''the left'' in general. Not that I'll get an apology for being misquoted.

AnneFrank

riffmongous wrote: »

Here, the original post I quoted was blaming 'the left' for Trump, the blame for Trump lies strictly with the retards who like him and vote for him. I don't care about any of the issues you posted, that's not my Left, so you'll need to go reconsult your leftie outrage list

The language you use is disgusting.

Captain Obvious

Tell me how wrote: »

Obama presided over the recovery of the US economy and brought about the most radical overhaul of US healthcare system.

You wouldn't have read about it on Breitbart of course.

But what have the Romans ever done for us?

Tell me how

Omackeral wrote: »

Anyway, that's who I was referring to when I said the far left. Never said ''the left'' in general. Not that I'll get an apology for being misquoted.

You won't get an apology because you are using terms which mean different things from your view to that which seems to be the common view.

You have used terms including far left, hard left and extreme left to have different motivations. I would say that all of these are the same thing and are the minority of the entire left associated grouping.

blinding

Lefties wouldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery !

Tell me how

blinding wrote: »

Lefties wouldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery !

Good contribution. Have you a blog or website I can subscribe to?

Brian?

Omackeral wrote: »

You know when people on here say alt-right, well think the opposing side of that. Extreme end of that spectrum, whatever way you wanna put it. Basically, intolerant fcukers and no better than what they propose to hate. Anti-facists and fascists are quickly becoming one and the same. Two sides of the same coin.

Anyway, that's who I was referring to when I said the far left. Never said ''the left'' in general. Not that I'll get an apology for being misquoted.

Sorry but this is very vague. I consider myself far left in beliefs. But I am completely anti authoritarian and a pacifist.

I am trying to understand who you have issues with. Is the so called “SJWs”? I propose we call them identarians.

I don’t believe there is a left wing equivalent of the alt right. The alt right are rebranded bigots.

AnneFrank

Brian? wrote: »

Sorry but this is very vague. I consider myself far left in beliefs. But I am completely anti authoritarian and a pacifist.

I am trying to understand who you have issues with. Is the so called “SJWs”? I propose we call them identarians.

I don’t believe there is a left wing equivalent of the alt right. The alt right are rebranded bigots.

I could be wrong but I guess under 30 idealists ?

blinding

Tell me how wrote: »

Good contribution. Have you a blog or website I can subscribe to?

Are you looking for Free Beer ?:D

hatrickpatrick

IMO the phrase we should use is "the authoritarian left" or even better, "authoritarian liberals". It shows exactly how fundamentally contradictory these peoples' views are

Omackeral

Tell me how wrote: »

You won't get an apology

Didn't think so.

I'll try one more time. This is what you said.

Tell me how wrote: »

As a left inclined individual, can I ask you to stop suggesting we all think that way. We all don't. Certainly,the extreme left do.

You asked me to stop suggesting left leaning people all think in an extreme or uniform way. Never said it. Not once. You actually agreed with me towards the end of your reply. ''The extreme left think that way'' is what you said. Which is exactly what I said!

I have used extreme left, hard left and far left synonymously with each other and each other only, NOT with the left in general. Hope that's clear enough for you.

riffmongous

AnneFrank wrote: »

The language you use is disgusting.

Not a word I'm a fan of tbh, but that's the standard on AH at the moment

AnneFrank

riffmongous wrote: »

Not a word I'm a fan of tbh, but that's the standard on AH at the moment

That's not an excuse, there are many many words you could use.

Omackeral

Brian? wrote: »

I am trying to understand who you have issues with.

I don’t believe there is a left wing equivalent of the alt right. The alt right are rebranded bigots.

Antifa and their ilk.

AnneFrank

Again, disgusting language, is your vocabulary so limited ?

Atoms for Peace

The khymer rouge were extreme left, noy exactly soft when it came to social issues.

Omackeral

AnneFrank wrote: »

Again, disgusting language, is your vocabulary so limited ?

He's quoting someone else.

blinding

And still smarter than lefties .

These left versus right threads are tedium incarnate. Throw out a few buzzwords like confetti, you've got yourself a debate.

Tell me how

You don't. It's not an educated or informed view........ Or a common one.

AnneFrank

Omackeral wrote: »

He's quoting someone else.

You liked the comment, do you enjoy making fun of the weakest part of society? It's cowardly in my opinion, plenty of other words to use

B0jangles

That is not a word I use.


I repeat - anyone who spent more than 5 minutes looking into Donald Trump's lifetime of boasting, lying and serially going bankrupt, and thought 'This man is competent to be president', is severely, profoundly lacking in critical judgement.

Tell me how

B0jangles wrote: »

I repeat - anyone who spent more than 5 minutes looking into Donald Trump's lifetime of boasting, lying and serially going bankrupt, and thought 'This man is competent to be president', is severely, profoundly lacking in critical judgement.

Exactly. Hillary was not a likable choice but I think many are using her as an excuse to justify themselves or numbers that voted for Donald. I think many did so because they bought in to his rhetoric that everything is easy, his barely disguised racism and the fact that he was loud.

Scary thing is, If I was betting today, I'd bet that he will be re-elected in 2020.
No viable alternative on the democrat side and many Americans just don't seem to care about long term global relations or the state of the planet.

Brian?

Omackeral wrote: »

Antifa and their ilk.

Even Antifa aren’t an homogeneous group. More of a loose coalition of fringe groups. I disagree with some of their methods, but I agree with their cause. Everyone should be anti fascist.

I feel you’re generalising too much. Like a lot of people do. So it reaches the point where every stupid protest or online outrage is seen as a true representation of how the entire left behave.

Brian?

AnneFrank wrote: »

I could be wrong but I guess under 30 idealists ?

What’s wrong with being an idealist?

2 Scoops

Anyone who spent more than 5 minutes looking into Hillary Clintons's lifetime of scandals, lying and corruption, and thought 'This Woman is competent to be president', is severely, profoundly lacking in critical judgement.