Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

prawnsambo

Imreoir2 wrote: »

I am assuming they mean that the withdrawl agreement will include a backstop that would put a border in the Irish sea should talks on the future relationship fail.

Starting to look like we are getting some blurring of the lines with "the deal" being shifted to refer to the future trade relationship instead of the withdrawl agreement. UK can continue to claim they won't sign up to a "deal" (meaning future trade relationship) that will cut NI off from the UK and ignore that they have agreed in the withdrawl treaty that this will happen should no "deal" be agreed.

The reality is that this is what theu've had in mind all along. The WA has been ignored in the search to make something out of it that it wasn't designed to do. This is all they talk about and think about. There are people in the UK who think 'no deal' means no trade. They've been conivinced of this by their political leaders. It's bizarre.

J Mysterio

Metro headline:

'RAAB: I DIDN'T THINK IT DOVER'.

Oh dear. A bad day for Raab and the government.

Tell me how

Mairead McGuinness speaking well on Brexit on BBC Question Time and telling some home truths but getting zero love from audience for doing so.

Dyr

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

"People are bored" says the Tory Brexiteer.

Amazes me how people in NI can support a Union that treats their concerns with such indifference.

It's mad, mad stuff

If they think they're impatient now just wait until they're in queuing to buy food and medicine or to get off the Island.

FrancieBrady

Tell me how wrote: »

Mairead McGuinness speaking well on Brexit on BBC Question Time and telling some home truths but getting zero love from audience for doing so.

Far too polite and wanting to be liked. A decent politician would have put your man beside her, throwing eyes to heaven in his box.
She is totally on top of the brief but kinda failed to be profound enough about our issues with Brexit.

bilston

Tell me how wrote: »

Mairead McGuinness speaking well on Brexit on BBC Question Time and telling some home truths but getting zero love from audience for doing so.

Whatever about the response to her, that could hardly be described as a pro Brexit audience which seems to be the accusation on here if QT audiences in general.

Seth Brundle

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Far too polite and wanting to be liked. A decent politician would have put your man beside her, throwing eyes to heaven in his box.
She is totally on top of the brief but kinda failed to be profound enough about our issues with Brexit.

Woukd it have achieved anything ither than possibly getting the audience on the defensive?
If a British politician came over here and told us how we should do things would we be happy?

J Mysterio

Another ridiculous example of the Hostile Environment.

https://twitter.com/MazzucatoM/status/1060448125926735874

bilston

J Mysterio wrote: »

Another ridiculous example of the Hostile Environment.

https://twitter.com/MazzucatoM/status/1060448125926735874

Hostile environment or a simple admin error...

FrancieBrady

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Woukd it have achieved anything ither than possibly getting the audience on the defensive?
If a British politician came over here and told us how we should do things would we be happy?

It's not about telling anyone 'how to do things'. It is about spelling out the utter disregard they are having for northern Ireland and Ireland. And I think she was weak on that. She tried the plamás. She allowed the guy beside her to handwave it away as scaremongering. Weak imo.

J Mysterio

bilston wrote: »

Hostile environment or a simple admin error...

Both?

Folkstonian

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Far too polite and wanting to be liked. A decent politician would have put your man beside her, throwing eyes to heaven in his box.
She is totally on top of the brief but kinda failed to be profound enough about our issues with Brexit.

I thought she spoke relatively well, although would have had more of an impact if she was far more concise. Bit unfair to put questions about violent crime in inner London to her. She didn’t really have anything perceptive or incisive to say there but why would she?

Being less polite as an MEP to the audience wouldn’t have achieved anything other than to supply ammunition to leave supporters of a bad or aggressive attitude in Brussels towards the U.K.

I think she came across well

Capt'n Midnight

The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men
Gang aft agley,

The legal challenge to the inevitability of Article 50 continues.

UK cannot stop article 50 case going to ECJ, says Scottish court

Scotland’s highest court has refused the UK government leave to appeal its referral of a case to the European court of justice that seeks to establish whether the UK can unilaterally stop Brexit. This paves the way for the case to be heard in Luxembourg later this month.

FrancieBrady

Folkstonian wrote: »

I thought she spoke relatively well, although would have had more of an impact if she was far more concise. Bit unfair to put questions about violent crime in inner London to her. She didn’t really have anything perceptive or incisive to say there but why would she?

Being less polite as an MEP to the audience wouldn’t have achieved anything other than to supply ammunition to leave supporters of a bad or aggressive attitude in Brussels towards the U.K.

I think she came across well

Ammunition to Leave supporters? They have been cheerfully making it from nothing for 2 years and more.

Spit it out Mairead, you are an Irish politician and MEP, you don't have to be nice and deferential. You can be the opposite and still be polite.

Kermit.de.frog

Looks like the DUP are gone.

Sammy Wilson accusing May of "total betrayal" tonight.

Capt'n Midnight

J Mysterio wrote: »

Another ridiculous example of the Hostile Environment.

https://twitter.com/MazzucatoM/status/1060448125926735874

one of the comments was the GoHome Office.

On the opposite side of the house Labour aren't proving they can do a competent job in government.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/08/abbott_pc_support_scam_confession/

The UK Shadow Home Secretary admitted to handing over control of her computer to a stranger after a random caller asked her to install Remote PC.

I don't know if she had privileged access but it's scary to think what might have happened.

Peregrinus

bilston wrote: »

Hostile environment or a simple admin error...

Simple admin errors are part of the hostile environment. Govt offices dealing with non-citizens are under-resources, run down so that dealing with them becomes a constant purgatory.

prawnsambo

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

On the opposite side of the house Labour aren't proving they can do a competent job in government.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/08/abbott_pc_support_scam_confession/

I don't know if she had privileged access but it's scary to think what might have happened.

Amateur. He should have charged her for it.

RobMc59

Bambi wrote: »

Mairead McGuinness wearing her poppy and Jordan Peterson, a Canadian Anglophile, missing one.

It's all gone a bit a weird.

If you don't mind me asking- what does that have to do with Brexit, I've noticed a few comments about the wearing or not wearing òf the poppy and am struggling to understand why it keeps being mentioned on here..

RobMc59

Deedsie wrote: »

Is this your first November?

I asked what has the wearing of the poppy got to do with brexit?

ancapailldorcha

No more one liners please. Posts about a United Ireland should be taken to a new thread.

murphaph

RobMc59 wrote: »

I asked what has the wearing of the poppy got to do with brexit?

It's all linked into the psyche of Brexit, at least indirectly. Remembrance has morphed into a compulsory thing in GB. It's like if you aren't wearing a poppy you're an enemy of the people. Few on TV will dare appear without one. The tolerance and freedom that the men and women who died for especially during WWII is under threat in the UK today.

LeinsterDub

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1060784802213826560
As always Tony breaks down the latest developments. Essentially words have lost all meaning as May attempts to redefine the backstop

murphaph

Impossible to predict which way this is going to go. May is slightly unhinged IMO so I would not be relying on her to withdraw A50 rather than exit with no deal.

Mc Love

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1060784802213826560
As always Tony breaks down the latest developments. Essentially words have lost all meaning as May attempts to redefine the backstop

Read this, this morning, what a mess, Tony does a great job of explaining it though.

Who leaked the letter? It'd have to be DUP!

Enzokk

LeinsterDub wrote: »

So that's not no a deal. It's a deal

Yes it is a deal they are talking about, the Withdrawal Agreement, being reached and then after that when the real talks start if there is no way to ensure there is no border between NI and Ireland then the backstop comes in.

Seems the DUP still really doesn't understand and that fact is not really surprising. What boggles the mind is that the smart people (supposedly) in the UK thought it would be a good idea to go into an agreement with the DUP.

Enzokk

Well this is a development,

https://twitter.com/SamuelMarcLowe/status/1060813708245561344

And in a follow up to that we have a tweet from the Europe Editor at The Telegraph,

https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1060818248562814976

So the answer to Northern Ireland is to make is so complicated that no-one will be happy and no-one will be able to understand it. That can only go well in a area where there was a war less than 30 years ago.

lawred2

murphaph wrote: »

It's all linked into the psyche of Brexit, at least indirectly. Remembrance has morphed into a compulsory thing in GB. It's like if you aren't wearing a poppy you're an enemy of the people. Few on TV will dare appear without one. The tolerance and freedom that the men and women who died for especially during WWII is under threat in the UK today.

hmmmm

That's a bit of a repainting of why Britain went to war. It was primarily an empire fearing the growth of a super power.

But then to the victors go the spoils and PR is definitely one of the spoils.

lawred2

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1060784802213826560
As always Tony breaks down the latest developments. Essentially words have lost all meaning as May attempts to redefine the backstop

What has TM or anyone said that has triggered that?

Or is it more leaks..

Enzokk

lawred2 wrote: »

hmmmm

That's a bit of a repainting of why Britain went to war. It was primarily an empire fearing the growth of a super power.

But then to the victors go the spoils and PR is definitely one of the spoils.

If you take the poppy as a remembrance for WW1 only then you are right, but the post you quoted mentions WW2 and the UK was in no way an empire at that stage nor did it go to war to only stop another country becoming a super power.