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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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    #4742
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Well, tbf, the people did vote to leave so the MP's are right to realign themselves to that reality.

    No. The people were lied to. It's their MPs duty to tell them the truth and behave according to the truth.


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    #4743
    Patser
    Registered Users Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭Patser


    Loving Donald Tusks comment - we are prepared for no deal brexit, but best prepared for no Brexit deal.


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    #4744
    lawred2
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    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Well, tbf, the people did vote to leave so the MP's are right to realign themselves to that reality.

    Are there not some occasions where the will of the misled, uneducated and willfully ignorant can justifiably be ignored?

    Almost the entire Parliamentary Labour party disagreed with Brexit. And the majority of the conservative party.

    For a reason.

    I think that was an occasion for real leadership and real politicians.

    Britain didn't have any.


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    #4745
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,094 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Well, tbf, the people did vote to leave so the MP's are right to realign themselves to that reality.

    But less than 1% of those that voted changing their minds would have had the balance switch the other way.

    They have now come up with a plan which sounds like it fits right down the middle of not quite in and not quite out, which of course is not agreeable to anybody. But unfortunately is the only option that you can present after a vote that went 50/50. This is what should have been presented as the option available before triggering A50, but because nobody has tried to do this before they didn't really know the best way to do things.

    May adding in the line of Brexit not happening as being an option in her statement last night was a first though. There might still be hope of a halt being called to the whole thing.


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    #4746
    seenitall
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    And they say the Germans don't have a sense of humour.
    https://twitter.com/heuteshow/status/1063073158868152321

    On a more serious note, another conservative no confidence letter in May, Sheryll Murray. Not quite sure who she is, but she sits in Cornwall and her issue was over fishing.

    LOL. The map itself is a good few years old, though. With the popcorn and the fire icons superimposed. See if you can figure it out!


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    #4747
    Tell me how
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    Are there not some occasions where the will of the misled, uneducated and willfully ignorant could justifiably be ignored?

    Almost the entire Parliamentary Labour party disagreed with Brexit. And the majority of the conservative party.

    For a reason.

    How many Leave voters do you think you could find who would admit that this description applies to them?

    It is very relevant that the result of the referendum at the very least is attempted to have been delivered.

    If not, then it undermines the entire process. Less would be likely to vote in future elections leaving the result more open to be manipulated by "influential" groups.


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    #4748
    Hurrache
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    seenitall wrote: »
    LOL. The map itself is a good few years old, though. With the popcorn and the fire icons superimposed. See if you can figure it out!

    The eastern side of the map needs an update, Croatia?


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    #4749
    Zubeneschamali
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    Leroy42 wrote: »
    May adding in the line of Brexit not happening as being an option in her statement last night was a first though.

    She obviously included that as a threat to the ERG hard brexiteers - back my deal or you will get no Brexit at all.


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    #4750
    lawred2
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    No. The people were lied to. It's their MPs duty to tell them the truth and behave according to the truth.

    yeah but it was a bunch of MPs doing a lot of the lying


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    #4751
    Infini
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Stark reminder of the inordinate power the Brexiteers wield.

    Honestly the conservatives would be better off jessisoning the leave wing if they wish to save their hides. Theyre essentially undercover UKIPpers.


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    #4752
    Tell me how
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    Infini wrote: »
    Honestly the conservatives would be better off jessisoning the leave wing if they wish to save their hides. Theyre essentially undercover UKIPpers.

    And give a new party 50-60 seats in Westminister as a starting point?
    Could be a very dangerous move for their party? It would wipe out UKIP entirely if it happened however.


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    #4753
    seenitall
    Registered Users Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Hurrache wrote: »
    The eastern side of the map needs an update, Croatia?

    Ugh - figured out way too quickly! :)


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    #4754
    judeboy101
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    May to pull a John major @5pm, "bring it on".


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    #4755
    Penn
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    Astonishing that Rees-Mogg doesn't have the balls to go for the leadership himself after placing himself as one of May's harshest critics. Says everything about both the man and the situation the PM (or would-be PMs) would be in.


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    #4756
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    lawred2 wrote: »
    yeah but it was a bunch of MPs doing a lot of the lying

    Indeed. A very small bunch though.


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    #4757
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Penn wrote: »
    Astonishing that Rees-Mogg doesn't have the balls to go for the leadership himself after placing himself as one of May's harshest critics. Says everything about both the man and the situation the PM (or would-be PMs) would be in.

    Not that he'd care for or understand the comparison, but he's the epitome of the hurler on the ditch.


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    #4758
    TheValeyard
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    All aboard the Choo Choo train to who the fcuk knows where!


    Seriously this is a mess today. Speech at 5pm will be very interesting!!

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #4759
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    Penn wrote: »
    Astonishing that Rees-Mogg doesn't have the balls to go for the leadership himself after placing himself as one of May's harshest critics. Says everything about both the man and the situation the PM (or would-be PMs) would be in.

    Can't, he is catholic.


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    #4760
    An Ciarraioch
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    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    All aboard the Choo Choo train to who the fcuk knows where!


    Seriously this is a mess today. Speech at 5pm will be very interesting!!

    Lectern has a crest on it, so just a routine press briefing.


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    #4761
    Penn
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Can't, he is catholic.

    He can. Tony Blair was Catholic. A quick Google shows that a Catholic can't be Head of State (due to becoming Head of the Church of England), but can be Prime Minister.

    Edit: Actually, it seems Blair waiting until after he was finished as PM to convert to Catholicism. Either way, a Catholic PM would have to delegate certain responsibilities to the most senior CofE member of the Cabinet to advise on certain matters related to the CofE, but it does seem like a Catholic could still be PM.


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    #4762
    gimli2112
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    Farage on SN laughing in disbelief at the dishonesty of the government. The people he put into an improbable position and then exited rapidly.


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    #4763
    Professor Moriarty
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Can't, he is catholic.

    There is no constitutional barrier to a Catholic becoming Prime Minister. A Catholic can't become monarch.


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    #4764
    robinph
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    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Can't, he is catholic.

    What's that got to do with anything?


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    #4765
    vektarman
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    I don't understand why the harshest Conservative party critics of May and the Brexit deal had their opportunity to influence the negotiations by becoming the Prime Minister yet they pulled out of the leadership race, I'm thinking of Boris Johnston in particular.


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    #4766
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Sky Poll:

    Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?

    No Brexit 54%
    No deal 32%
    Her deal 14%


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    #4767
    ilovesmybrick
    Registered Users Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    The coverage on ZDF Heute for the past two years has been absolutely savage about the entire Brexit process. It's probably a good thing the papers in the UK never got wind of it!


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    #4768
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    Penn wrote: »
    He can. Tony Blair was Catholic. A quick Google shows that a Catholic can't be Head of State (due to becoming Head of the Church of England), but can be Prime Minister.

    Became catholic AFTER left office, Jews or Catholics are forbidden from advising queen on appointments to Anglican hierarchy. That's a pm's job. By law a catholic or jew can't do that, 1828/1858 acts i believe (might b out on dates by year). The lord chancellor could act in pm's stead but as LC is in cabinet he would be subject to pm so again catholic advising on Anglican , nope. Can't happen


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    #4769
    TheValeyard
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    Penn wrote: »
    He can. Tony Blair was Catholic. A quick Google shows that a Catholic can't be Head of State (due to becoming Head of the Church of England), but can be Prime Minister.

    Think Tony Blair converted after he left office? Must do some googling!

    All Eyes On Rafah



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    #4770
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    There is no constitutional barrier to a Catholic becoming Prime Minister. A Catholic can't become monarch.
    Catholics can't be pm, do bit of research on catholic relief act.


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    #4771
    bilston
    Registered Users Posts: 17,802 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Sky Poll:

    Of the three Brexit outcomes Theresa May says are available, would you prefer a) her deal, b) no deal or c) no Brexit?

    No Brexit 54%
    No deal 32%
    Her deal 14%

    The chances are some of the 14% saying "her deal" would vote to remain in another In/Out referendum. So you could easily be looking at over 55% support for Remain (albeit it's one poll).


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