Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

First Up · 17-10-2018 9:32pm

Professor Moriarty wrote:

Well, if Barnier says it you'd have to assume that he could deliver. Basically, in the context of staying in the CU and the SM, he said that if Britain shifted its red lines during the transition period then the EU would shift its red lines to accommodate them in remaining.

It isn't Barnier's call.

Calina · 17-10-2018 9:38pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Akrasia wrote: »

Really? Is that legally sound? (Cause you can guarantee it would be challenged in court)

Well, if Barnier says it you'd have to assume that he could deliver. Basically, in the context of staying in the CU and the SM, he said that if Britain shifted its red lines during the transition period then the EU would shift its red lines to accommodate them in remaining.

I wouldnt mind seeing a source for this. Elements of it sound more like Tusk but not the commitment to the EU moving its redlines. As they are based in the EU body of law there is really limited room here.

Professor Moriarty · 17-10-2018 9:43pm

Calina wrote: »

I wouldnt mind seeing a source for this. Elements of it sound more like Tusk but not the commitment to the EU moving its redlines. As they are based in the EU body of law there is really limited room here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-updates-uk-eu-single-market-customs-union-leave-a8300811.html

Maybe. I can only assume he knows his brief.

Professor Moriarty · 17-10-2018 9:46pm

flutered wrote: »

their self importance is a mile high, also they cannot understand that a european politician says what he means and means what they say

I remember the Indian High Commissioner said immediately after Brexit that India would be very happy to strike a trade deal but that increased immigration into Britain from India would have to part of the deal. Ironically.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-10-2018 9:48pm

November Summit cancelled

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/oct/17/brexit-eu-summit-may-pmqs-corbyn-blair-heseltine-and-clegg-urge-eu-leaders-to-extend-article-50-to-allow-2nd-referendum-politics-live

Big thing there is the EU 27 have not changed the negotiating guidelines.

LeinsterDub · 17-10-2018 9:52pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Barnier made it clear that Britain can change its mind until the end of the transition period and that the EU will allow them to remain.

When and where did he do so? My understanding was post March 29 they are out

Professor Moriarty · 17-10-2018 9:53pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

When and where did he do so? My understanding was post March 29 they are out

See post 666.

Anthracite · 17-10-2018 9:56pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/shufflepaw/status/1052634571345399808

VERY interesting point.

How can the UK do a free trade deal with USA if there is a frictionless border on the island of Ireland!?

Where is the Irish American lobby these days?

Kermit.de.frog · 17-10-2018 9:57pm

Boom!

https://twitter.com/MarkusBecker/status/1052664397057875968

Professor Moriarty · 17-10-2018 9:58pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Boom!

https://twitter.com/MarkusBecker/status/1052664397057875968

Wow! If true, the Brexiteers and DUP will go ape.

charlie14 · 17-10-2018 9:58pm

flutered wrote: »

the main players got it very right re the tip offs from the exit polls

Was it not more a case of a polling agency giving a tip off which "accidentally" reversed the figures for remain and leave that resulted in the main players getting it very right financially ?

A polling agency by sheer coincidence that some of the same players were involved in,

Junkyard Tom · 17-10-2018 10:03pm

Let's not forget that there were many in Britain who gleefully predicted a pro-Brexit vote would precipitate the breakup of the EU.

During the negotiations Britain has barefacedly tried to go over the negotiating team's heads and wedge off individual member states. Perhaps the only reason the EU has been so damn patient with GB is that it is committed to causing as little harm as possible to Ireland.

The British have done nothing but try to sow discord in the EU and now, when that chaos strategy has failed, they throw their toys out of their pram over the north being offered a special deal the British would love to have and the DUP are too stupid to agree to.

The really do not deserve any quarter.

Enzokk · 17-10-2018 10:06pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Boom!

https://twitter.com/MarkusBecker/status/1052664397057875968

If she acknowledged that the backstop cannot be time limited, why is there no summit in November as per other tweets? Its going to be an interesting evening with the drip of news that will come out.

In other news, the knives are out again for May as it has been many times before,

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1052660704493412352

Akrasia · 17-10-2018 10:07pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-updates-uk-eu-single-market-customs-union-leave-a8300811.html

Maybe. I can only assume he knows his brief.

That article looks like he's offering extended access to the CU and SM but not offering extended EU membership or a reversal of Brexit beyond march next year

flutered · 17-10-2018 10:08pm

charlie14 wrote: »

flutered wrote: »

the main players got it very right re the tip offs from the exit polls

Was it not more a case of a polling agency giving a tip off which "accidentally" reversed the figures for remain and leave that resulted in the main players getting it very right financially ?

A polling agency by sheer coincidence that some of the same players were involved in,

which is what i meant, they had inside track and used it

Kermit.de.frog · 17-10-2018 10:10pm

Sterling reacting now. Taking a bit of a dive as news trickles out.

First Up · 17-10-2018 10:14pm

Daily Express screaming about betrayal. Always a good sign.

Water John · 17-10-2018 10:18pm

It might be better if enough letters were sent in, and the Tory boil lanced. Let the Brexiteers shoot their bolt and let see their numbers.

charlie14 · 17-10-2018 10:19pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

See post 666.

Bit unfortunate that it just happened to be that post number.

LeinsterDub · 17-10-2018 10:20pm

Akrasia wrote: »

That article looks like he's offering extended access to the CU and SM but not offering extended EU membership or a reversal of Brexit beyond march next year

That's my reading of it too

charlie14 · 17-10-2018 10:21pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sterling reacting now. Taking a bit of a dive as news trickles out.

I would have thought with talk of a longer transition period sterling would have gone the other way ?

Professor Moriarty · 17-10-2018 10:22pm

Akrasia wrote: »

That article looks like he's offering extended access to the CU and SM but not offering extended EU membership or a reversal of Brexit beyond march next year

I think that the EU and Remainers would be very happy if the UK changed their position and negotiated to remain in the SM and the CU at this stage. However, as things stand, the point is moot unless there is a volte face by the Tories or a Europhile party is elected. A plus is that the possibility of an extra year is already winding the Brexiteers up, which is nice.

Professor Moriarty · 17-10-2018 10:22pm

charlie14 wrote: »

Bit unfortunate that it just happened to be that post number.

The devil is in the detail.

Kermit.de.frog · 17-10-2018 10:40pm

It gets nuttier and nuttier. It's amazing they don't get the concept that UK is simply being treated as just a 3rd country now and Ireland is a member state.

Professor Moriarty · 17-10-2018 10:51pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It gets nuttier and nuttier. It's amazing they don't get the concept that UK is simply being treated as just a 3rd country now and Ireland is a member state.

The obligatory snide dig at Juncker.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-10-2018 10:51pm

kuro68k wrote: »

Some people will get rich from this. It's good for them.

Some people will see a soft ethnic cleansing as Johnny Foreigner leaves.

All the others are just deluded idiots.

The ethnic cleansing folk are deuded idiots too.

Brexit: EU migrants won't get special treatment, May saysThere may be less immigration because of the economic effects.
Otherwise all that will happen is that more of the immigration will come from outside of the EU. Which is what a lot of Asians voted for in the referendum.

Anyone who's upset about Polish people will be really upset later. Oh and the French are basically going tit-for-tat on visas. Be interesting to see if southern Europe follows their lead on the ex-pats. Yes they could apply to stay, but UK charge some serious fees for stuff like that so maybe they would too. And there's the whole mess of UK pension funds paying ex-pats.

Aviva to transfer administration of UK policies to Ireland

, policies will no longer qualify for protection under the UK Financial Services Compensation Scheme. Instead, Aviva says similar protections can be offered by the Irish Insurance Compensation Fund.

Interesting, do they automatically get Irish protection or what will it cost ?

PopePalpatine · 17-10-2018 10:54pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Wow! If true, the Brexiteers and DUP will go ape.

First Up wrote: »

Daily Express screaming about betrayal. Always a good sign.

I'll believe it when the backstop is applied, there's plenty of time for a gammon-flavoured amendment making it illegal to make it through the HoC.

Hurrache · 17-10-2018 10:58pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Aviva to transfer administration of UK policies to Ireland Interesting, do they automatically get Irish protection or what will it cost ?

I got a letter last week regarding a policy I have with them and how it's being moved to being Irish administered.

I guess it's pretty much the equivalent of a boiler plate move, but Aviva have a large business within Ireland so for someone like them it's just shuffling files.

LeinsterDub · 17-10-2018 11:00pm

charlie14 wrote: »

I would have thought with talk of a longer transition period sterling would have gone the other way ?

No deal is the most likely outcome at the moment. No deal means no transition. Hence the nose dive

lawred2 · 17-10-2018 11:00pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

O'Toole was excellent on The View last week too. You can really sense his frustration at times.

I'm not a 'believer' in all things O'Toole, but I think he's captured the essence of the problem of Brexit (a display of English Nationalism) really well in pieces he's written and interviews he's given too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3tkNQBiBB0

A very eloquent insightful discussion.

And very close to the mark.

You'd miss the rationality of the UUP in public discourse at this stage really..

Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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