Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1072193293956587520

Here comes Tony.

I can only imagine the conversations that are going on amongst the EU leaders right now...

badtoro

theguzman wrote: »

It is a huge political crisis for the EU because the Franco/German empire is crumbling before their eyes and all attempts to bully and subjugate UK have failed and in words of the Rt. Hon Rev Ian Paisley there will be "No Surrender" and Arlene Foster has stood fast to that and I am sure the big guy himself would be proud of her on that. Verhofstad and Junker should realize that they will never break the Unionists in the way they destroyed the Greeks and the Southern Irish Government here.

What are you on? (Substances)

The EU is not stopping UK leaving, just rightly telling them they may not have access to the club like the paid up members have.

Seriously.

Laois_Man

robindch wrote: »

Going out on a limb here, but I'd imagine they said "No!".

I didn't ask what their stance was!

Kiith

badtoro wrote: »

What are you on? (Substances)

The EU is not stopping UK leaving, just rightly telling them they may not have access to the club like the paid up members have.

Seriously.

Don't bother even replying to it. Utter nonsense.

Fann Linn

theguzman wrote: »

It is a huge political crisis for the EU because the Franco/German empire is crumbling before their eyes and all attempts to bully and subjugate UK have failed and in words of the Rt. Hon Rev Ian Paisley there will be "No Surrender" and Arlene Foster has stood fast to that and I am sure the big guy himself would be proud of her on that. Verhofstad and Junker should realize that they will never break the Unionists in the way they destroyed the Greeks and the Southern Irish Government here.

Any comment on those Unionists slowly edging towards a United Ireland. Tick Tock.

All courtesy of Arlene & the DUP.

serfboard

Mr Robbins goes to Brussels:

OR: I'm here to seek "clarification" on the Backstop.
EU: The Backstop is the backstop.
OR: Grand so.

Tell me how

MrMusician18 wrote: »

In the pantheon of political crises, where would we place this? Seems worse than the political crisis that surrounded our bailout, but not quite up there with the Greek one

In Ukraine, they use their fists within parliament to communicate their views quite regularly. Kind of like a game of interactiv charades.

They have done so also in Italy from time to time.

theguzman

badtoro wrote: »

What are you on? (Substances)

The EU is not stopping UK leaving, just rightly telling them they may not have access to the club like the paid up members have.

Seriously.

The EU have more to lose than the UK and the UK will mobilise patriotism take to hit rather than capitulate, they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this. The EU's treatment of the UK will only embolden countries like Italy and I would not be surprised to see an alternative to the EU forming shortly similar to how the EU was 25 years ago with a loose trading only bloc, Germany and France will of course be excluded. Nationalism and Patriotism is on the rise and with current moves in Asia and the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, more countries in the Visegrad region will move to leave the EU, which will flounder in the coming economic crisis anyway.

MrMusician18

serfboard wrote: »

Mr Robbins goes to Brussels:

OR: I'm here to seek "clarification" on the Backstop.
EU: The Backstop is the backstop.
OR: Grand so.

They might get a bit of explanatory text like we did with Lisbon. Unfortunately the issues they have are actually in the treaty, where as the issues we law with Lisbon were mostly spurious

steddyeddy

theguzman wrote: »

The EU have more to lose than the UK and the UK will mobilise patriotism take to hit rather than capitulate, they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this. The EU's treatment of the UK will only embolden countries like Italy and I would not be surprised to see an alternative to the EU forming shortly similar to how the EU was 25 years ago with a loose trading only bloc, Germany and France will of course be excluded. Nationalism and Patriotism is on the rise and with current moves in Asia and the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, more countries in the Visegrad region will move to leave the EU, which will flounder in the coming economic crisis anyway.

How was the UK treated badly? I never understand it when Brexiters say this so I'd be delighted if you could spell it out for me.

ilovesmybrick

Rjd2 wrote: »

I was watching this in the background, but did May discuss ejaculation their?:P

I honestly thought that this was an attempt by you at low grade humour, but no, you're right. From the Guardian live feed

British politics has finally cut all links with normality and drifted off into absurdity. In the Commons a moment ago Labour’s Rupa Huq described the decision to call off the vote as an act of “premature parliamentary ejaculation”. In response, Theresa May said that, if Huq were to look carefully, she would see that May is not capable of premature ejaculation.

God knows what they make of this nonsense in Brussels ...

Beechwoodspark

theguzman wrote: »

No but we will force them into holding two second refernda on the exact same issues and lie to the Irish that everything is changed and we will also force the Irish to repay billions of unsecured German private bank bonds by turning private debt into Irish sovereign debt. Who needs enemies when you got friends like that?

There could not be a more despicable politicians in the world at the moment than Juncker, Verhofstadt and Mutti. An axis of true Evil if ever there was.

The real enemies are the likes of Russian backed Aaron banks and Nigel farage.

tuxy

theguzman wrote: »

they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this.

Can you think of any nation within the EU that is not proud and has not had to stand up for what they believe in over the course of history?

theguzman

Currently there is increased debate in Germany about the country attaining Nuclear Weapons.

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-bomb-debate-goes-nuclear-nato-donald-trump-defense-spending/

https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/opinion/hazardous-chemistry-germanys-dangerous-flirtation-with-nuclear-weapons/23582986.html?ticket=ST-49522-w9ZMPxQyXUhAO0vNSQ3C-ap2

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/nuclear-armed-germany-would-be-mistake-29047

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/08/why-germany-is-talking-about-getting-its-own-nuclear-weapons.html

They are currently trying to get their hands on the French stockpile of Hydrogen weapons via the EU Army. These are the same sycophants who cost the lives of hundreds of millions in the last century and are making moves to consolidate power across the continent again. History has shown they won't do it without armed conflict.

Beechwoodspark

theguzman wrote: »

The EU have more to lose than the UK and the UK will mobilise patriotism take to hit rather than capitulate, they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this. The EU's treatment of the UK will only embolden countries like Italy and I would not be surprised to see an alternative to the EU forming shortly similar to how the EU was 25 years ago with a loose trading only bloc, Germany and France will of course be excluded. Nationalism and Patriotism is on the rise and with current moves in Asia and the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, more countries in the Visegrad region will move to leave the EU, which will flounder in the coming economic crisis anyway.

How were the U.K. treated badly by the EU? Please give specifics.

theguzman

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

The real enemies are the likes of Russian backed Aaron banks and Nigel farage.

The likes of Russia and Farage are no enemy, Macron, Merkel, Verhostadt and Junker and their corrupt globalist liberal corporatist agenda are the enemy of the people. It takes a rare thing to unify the far left and the far right but both layed down their difference to fight the common enemy Macron in France.

robindch

theguzman wrote: »

The EU have more to lose than the UK and the UK will mobilise patriotism take to hit rather than capitulate, they are a proud nation with a history of standing up to Dictators like this. The EU's treatment of the UK will only embolden countries like Italy and I would not be surprised to see an alternative to the EU forming shortly similar to how the EU was 25 years ago with a loose trading only bloc, Germany and France will of course be excluded. Nationalism and Patriotism is on the rise and with current moves in Asia and the ongoing trade war between the United States and China, more countries in the Visegrad region will move to leave the EU, which will flounder in the coming economic crisis anyway.

You left out Hal from 2001, the man on the moon and evil Prince Hanz from the film 'Frozen' in your grand, geopolitical handwave.

serfboard

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

I honestly thought that this was an attempt by you at low grade humour, but no, you're right.

Off on a tangent, but the MP who asked the question, Rupa Huq, has a sister, Konnie Huq, who is a former persenter of Blue Peter, and who is married to Charlie Brooker (of Newswipe).

And people think we have an incestuous political/media circle here!

mickoneill31

theguzman wrote: »

The likes of Russia and Farage are no enemy, Macron, Merkel, Verhostadt and Junker and their corrupt globalist liberal corporatist agenda are the enemy of the people. It takes a rare thing to unify the far left and the far right but both layed down their difference to fight the common enemy Macron in France.

Anyway, you were going to give examples of how the EU is treating the UK badly.

robindch

theguzman wrote: »

It takes a rare thing to unify the far left and the far right [...]

On the contrary, it's quite simple to unite hardliners - all you've to do is whinge about complexity, compromise, diversity and whatever imperfections you can find.

The reality-based details are relatively unimportant.

serfboard

robindch wrote: »

all you've to do is whinge about complexity

Which is how "It will be so easy" turns into "Who knew Healthcare was so complicated?"

robindch

One of the few positives to come out of the ongoing chaos is that the Tories have gone a long way towards discrediting the very idea of Brexit in the first place.

joe40

I find it amazing that the northern ireland border is the main sticking point now but was hardly mentioned at all during the Brexit campaign or the general election. Either staggering arrogance or staggering stupidity.

4068ac1elhodqr

All the bookies have reigned in the odds of a 2nd Ref.
It's getting to more or less close to an 'evens chance' they might even call one, perhaps just to prospone anyone taking any real decisions.

Hard to know if the 17.4m will sit back and take being asked again,
or take inspiration from their Frenchy cousions who just threw a strop over diesel prices.

A Dub in Glasgo

joe40 wrote: »

I find it amazing that the northern ireland border is the main sticking point now but was hardly mentioned at all during the Brexit campaign or the general election. Either staggering arrogance or staggering stupidity.

Can be both at the same time

theguzman

joe40 wrote: »

I find it amazing that the northern ireland border is the main sticking point now but was hardly mentioned at all during the Brexit campaign or the general election. Either staggering arrogance or staggering stupidity.

The mainstream media and vast majority of the British political liberal elite were in favour of remaining in the EU and they basically rubbished the idea and had such total arrogance and certainty that they never expected the UK to actually leave in the first place. Nigel Farage and a host of other British Patriots had other things to say about that and the British electorate made a very well informed decision and smartly decided to leave.

David Cameron himself a staunch Europhile resigned the following day and his political gamble to appease the Euroskeptics backfired badly on him. Theresa May then doubled down by calling an Early election only to lose her Majority and put the DUP and Euroskeptics in firm control. It has all been very entertaining to watch and watching the liberal Europhiles squirm as they lost and refuse to accept it has been all the better.

Tell me how

I watched a good portion of the debate in the house of commons this afternoon.

Some people not holding back at all in pointing fingers at and naming the hard Brexiteers for the role in the fiasco so far and saying the obvious that no deal will make the ERG happy.

listermint

Douglas Thoughtless Headache wrote: »

All the bookies have reigned in the odds of a 2nd Ref.
It's getting to more or less close to an 'evens chance' they might even call one, perhaps just to prospone anyone taking any real decisions.

Hard to know if the 17.4m will sit back and take being asked again,
or take inspiration from their Frenchy cousions who just threw a strop over diesel prices.

The 17.4 million was a bunch of people tired of the malaise and given an apparent easy answer to their delusion with the government.

They are not a fixed bunch nor is there still anywhere near 17.4 million this time.

Its only folks that are willing for brexit to occur keep quoting this figure.

theguzman

After a No deal they can then go an negotiate whatever they want instead of the EU putting a gun to their heads, a few months of lost sales to the German Auto Industry will soon see Mutti instruct her subordinates in Brussels and her lapdog Macron to give the British what they are asking for.

CrabRevolution

It's a shame how without fail, sooner or later every single pro-brexit poster's posts eventually degrade into "We won WW2, and now we'll beat the EU Nazis too" and "Europe will bow to Britain's will" type drivel.