Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

J Mysterio

Blowfish wrote: »

Actually, right now they legally can't, not due to the Article 50 text, but due to their own Withdrawal Bill text which states the EU treaties will no longer be in effect from 'Exit day'. It then defines exit day to be 29th March 2019. They'd have to go through the absolute political shitstorm of revoking the withdrawal bill before they can cancel Article 50.

This is a very interesting point.
Its just incredible where we are.

ancapailldorcha

seamus wrote: »

They could, but they don't want to.

Corbyn won two leadership contests in 2015 & 2016, and had a massive election success in 2017, despite being pretty clearly anti-EU.

Labour doesn't know what it wants. The membership backed Remain, but overwhelmingly want a euroskeptic leader.

Momentum, Labour's pro-Corbyn party-within-a-party is overwhelmingly anti-Brexit in sharp contrast with Corbyn:

According to Momentum, the consultation of members also found that:

92% want all Labour MPs to vote down Theresa May’s Brexit deal
89% believe a no-deal Brexit should be rejected as a viable option
81% believe Brexit is likely to make things worse for their friends, family and community
96% signed a petition calling on May to immediately end the uncertainty around the rights and status of EU citizens living in the UK and UK citizens living elsewhere in the EU.

Source.

They want Corbyn and a reversal of neoliberalism. They also want to stay in the EU. These things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive but they are if they are determined to stick with Eurosceptics like Corbyn, McDonnell & Milne.

Dyr

Tell me how wrote: »

Isn't it the case that the grass roots support him because at that level beliefs are largely idealistic and so his socialist claims are not examined too closely. But, within the parliamentary party, where the aim has to be seizing power and enacting policies which are feasible, there is not much love for him.

They've had numerous cracks at him and punched themselves out, the grass roots and the party members seem to despise the Blairites so they can forget about replacing Corbyn with anyone from their ranks

PropJoe10

PMQ's is a good watch so far. Turning into an absolute rabble!

J Mysterio

PropJoe10 wrote: »

PMQ's is a good watch so far. Turning into an absolute rabble!

Thanks for the reminder. I'm going in!

intellectual dosser

PropJoe10 wrote: »

PMQ's is a good watch so far. Turning into an absolute rabble!

TM just so much better at the rabble than JC.

Despite some major mistakes, I admire her ability to 'keep calm and carry on'.

devnull

Did May really say that there was a meaningful vote already in 2016, suggesting that there isn't a need for another one and instead they will just crash out by kicking the can down past the exit date so they run out of time? That's how it's being presented by some on twitter.

hill16bhoy

seamus wrote: »

ancapailldorcha made a comment a couple of days ago about how the Brexiters in parliament were already leveraged in favour of Brexit. They've placed their bets, moved around their money, and their financial future now rides on ensuring that Brexit happens, ideally as hard as possible.

"Leveraged" is one way of putting this.

Insider trading, fraud, financial terrorism and treason are others.

PropJoe10

devnull wrote: »

Did May really say that there was a meaningful vote already in 2016, suggesting that there isn't a need for another one and instead they will just crash out by kicking the can down past the exit date so they run out of time? That's how it's being presented by some on twitter.

It's starting to look as if that might be May's strategy, yeah. Kick the vote on her deal out as far as possible and promote the "this deal or no deal" concept. The pressure will keep increasing.

Shelga

A baying mob in the House of Commons!

Thargor

Shelga wrote: »

A baying mob in the House of Commons!

The way she turns every question about her various disasters into 'Well yeah but what about Labour?' is embarrassing.

MrMusician18

PropJoe10 wrote: »

PMQ's is a good watch so far. Turning into an absolute rabble!

Hearrrrrrrrrr hearrrrrrrrrr

I know pmqs is mostly theatre, but this is pure pantomime.

DOCARCH

Thargor wrote: »

The way she turns every question about her various disasters into 'Well yeah but what about Labour? is embarrassing.

FYP.

Part of the problem is lack of effective opposition in HoC.

LeinsterDub

Thargor wrote: »

The way she turns every question about her various disasters into 'Well yeah but what about Labour?' is embarrassing.

Seems she's learned a thing or two from the DUP. Whataboutye!

sjb25

Thargor wrote: »

The way she turns every question about her various disasters into 'Well yeah but what about Labour?' is embarrassing.

Order order the prime minister WILL BE HEARD

blackcard

The famine getting a mention in the HOC

sjb25

The prime minister just said she will not leave us without food in Ireland thank god for that!!

Laois_Man

They think they still have the power to starve us

They think it's still 1848!!

Leroy42

I'll say one thing, that story about the 13 yo that committed suicide due to online and social media abuse puts everything in perspective.

While the HoC fannys around not having a clue what they are doing or what they want in terms of Brexit, there is a real world out there which is being left fall apart since nobody is paying attention.

J Mysterio

Leroy42 wrote: »

I'll say one thing, that story about the 13 yo that committed suicide due to online and social media abuse puts everything in perspective.

While the HoC fannys around not having a clue what they are doing or what they want in terms of Brexit, there is a real world out there which is being left fall apart since nobody is paying attention.

Im not sure it does put everything in perspective. There are lots of areas in the UK which are struggling badly now, they will be royally fucķed in a No Deal Brexit. You would see a lot more suicides as jobs are lost and businesses go under. As services are removed and social welfare goes down while prices go up. It could get a lot worse.

LeinsterDub

DAVID Davis and Dominic Raab have teamed up to launch their alternative Brexit deal today in an open pitch for the keys to Number 10.

The two ex-Brexit Secretaries appeared on stage with DUP leader Arlene Foster this morning in a surprise bid to drum up support for their ideas.....

It will scrap the hated Northern Ireland backstop which is why so many MPs are opposed to the PM's agreement.

This back-up plan, to stop there being a hard border in Ireland if there was no trade deal, would put the UK in a customs territory with the EU.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/7959113/brexit-deal-latest-david-davis-dominic-raab-alternative/


Davis, Raab and Foster have invented some new unicorns!

Leroy42

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/7959113/brexit-deal-latest-david-davis-dominic-raab-alternative/


Davis, Raab and Foster have invented some new unicorns!

Even a cursory glance shows that it absurd, and what the hell is Foster doing there, it completely goes against her main principle

But Mr Davis and Mr Raab would try and replace the backstop with a ten-year, extendable agreement.

They say this would involve free trade in goods, no tariffs, and a Max Fac-style solution for the border.

The UK wouldn't be in the same customs union territory, it said.

So, they would leave the EU without a backstop but stay in the CU for a further 10 years! Which could be extended! And NI would be treated differently until some new systems could be developed!

An Ciarraioch

Rather dramatic shift in NI trade - exports to GB have fallen for the first time on record (by almost £3 billion), while sales to the Republic have risen by £540m:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-exports-to-britain-plunge-by-20-and-sales-to-republic-rise-by-16-37619643.html

hill16bhoy

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Hearrrrrrrrrr hearrrrrrrrrr

I know pmqs is mostly theatre, but this is pure pantomime.

British politics at the moment is like a giant production of Keeping Up Appearances with Theresa May as Mrs. Bucket.

Then there are a load of other assorted other comedy characters thrown in.

Boris Johnson is Basil Fawlty.
Nigel Farage is Alan Partridge.
David Davis is David Brent.
Jacob Rees-Mogg is Jeeves.
Michael Gove is Del Boy.
Dominic Raab is Rodney.

Fintan O'Toole must be running out of pop-cultural references for his articles at this stage so he can feel free to steal this one.

EKRIUQ

I'm after watching a lot of Sky News coverage and apparently all Teresa has to do is go back to Europe and get a better deal.

A lot of politicians in the government really believe that. The past 21 months has just gone over their head.

farmchoice

EKRIUQ wrote: »

I'm after watching a lot of Sky News coverage and apparently all Teresa has to do is go back to Europe and get a better deal.

A lot of politicians in the government really believe that. The past 21 months has just gone over their head.

it really is quite extraordinary, it seems to some kind of innate British superiority complex.

devnull

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/7959113/brexit-deal-latest-david-davis-dominic-raab-alternative/

Davis, Raab and Foster have invented some new unicorns!

All these politicians in the UK and none of them have a basic command of English.

It seems they do not understand what the word 'deal' means:
an agreement entered into by two or more parties for their mutual benefit, especially in a business or political context.

The Brexiteers seem to be of the opinion
We Want Something.
We Say Something.
We Get Something.

The arrogance is outstanding, it's like they just cannot accept that when you are negotiating something, you can't just hold the guns to someones head and tell them 'hey, take your medicine we force feed down your throat' which is the approach that they are going through now.

It's only a deal if two parties agree to it, otherwise it's a proposal, the lack of any kind of basic negotiating skills is completely embarrassing for the average British person who did not vote to be poorer or to lose their job or to see their cost of living go up whilst the rich put a bonfire on workers rights.

Being serious though, it's obvious what their game is, set up some unreasonable demands that the leavers want but are not achievable, the EU obviously is going to reject it and there you will have a No Deal outcome which is exactly what they want.

The British people are being played for a fool and Raab and Davis are only too happy to go along with it by manufacturing a scenario in a cloak and dagger way, using the leavers fury and misinformation in order to further an agenda, the whole thing is sick and in years to come when the UK is suffering badly, history will show them as committing treason against their country.

devnull

EKRIUQ wrote: »

I'm after watching a lot of Sky News coverage and apparently all Teresa has to do is go back to Europe and get a better deal.

A lot of politicians in the government really believe that. The past 21 months has just gone over their head.

They are completely deluded to be fair, none of them has the slightest clue about Ireland or Northern Ireland for that matter and they seem to think that they want something, they say something and they get it. They want to bully the other side into what they want as their arrogance doesn't allow them to think any other way.

lawred2

sjb25 wrote: »

The prime minister just said she will not leave us without food in Ireland thank god for that!!

Would you put a blockade of our supply chains past some Tories?

I wouldn't

lawred2

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Rather dramatic shift in NI trade - exports to GB have fallen for the first time on record (by almost £3 billion), while sales to the Republic have risen by £540m:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-exports-to-britain-plunge-by-20-and-sales-to-republic-rise-by-16-37619643.html

This is obviously project fear orchestrated by Gerry Adams

Seriously though - that's a staggering statistic. Would like to see what the DUP think of that!?