Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

VinLieger

Any word on if they still plan on bringing barges across the Irish sea to help keep the lights on in NI?

Junkyard Tom

The DUP must feel really important swanning around the halls of power in Whitehall but they're too flegged to realise that the Tory far-right are using the backstop to engineer a 'shock therapy' crash-out.

Then you have Labour who are also courting the DUP in order to topple the Tory government so that they can apply their leftist/socialist vision for Britain.



'What a fool I was! I was only a puppet, and so was Ulster, and so was Ireland'

Edward Carson.

J Mysterio

Raab and Davis.. two useless idiots who couldnt negotiate their way out of a phone box, failed in the Brexit Secretary role, and have now joined forces with a new ridicuous plan! How marvelous. Then just add a pinch of Unionist madness in the form of Arlene (not even an MP) and you have the most ridiculous proposition.

Its gone past silliness into downright madness.

hill16bhoy

lawred2 wrote: »

Would you put a blockade of our supply chains past some Tories?

I wouldn't

How long before somebody on the Tory backbenches calls for the British Army to re-invade Ireland?

"It would solve the border problem once and for all."

Shelga

J Mysterio wrote: »

Raab and Davis.. two useless idiots who couldnt negotiate their way out of a phone box, failed in the Brexit Secretary role, and have now joined forces with a new ridicuous plan! How marvelous. Then just add a pinch of Unionist madness in the form of Arlene (not even an MP) and you have the most ridiculous proposition.

Its gone past silliness into downright madness.

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

kunst nugget

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

Vibes master.

VinLieger

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

Scowler in chief also up until recently, ash inspector.

Shelga

Does the head of the DUP, or any party, not also have to be an elected MP?

Tell me how

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

She's leader of the DUP and so their members in West Minister follow her instructions.

intellectual dosser

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA) in the north and leader of the DUP. Other party members are Westminster MPs.

Strazdas

Shelga wrote: »

What! I genuinely didn’t realise that Arlene Foster isn’t even an MP. What is her role then??

Party leader but Nigel Dodds is head of the Parliamentary party.

Tell me how

Laura Keunnsberg suggesting that she is going to tell the party later that she is not going to context the next election but will step down after Brexit is delivered.

Russman

hill16bhoy wrote: »

How long before somebody on the Tory backbenches calls for the British Army to re-invade Ireland?

"It would solve the border problem once and for all."

D'ya know, having read briefly some of the Daily Mail (yeah, I know) comments referred to in an earlier post, its almost not that far fetched !!
They really do still have the empire mentality and regard Europe as their "foes".

Mooooo

Tis alright joe Duffy is sorting it

goat2

My own thought is,
They don't have a clue what they are doing, nothing planned, and all well paid to do a job they cannot do

Alun

Tell me how wrote: »

Laura Keunnsberg suggesting that she is going to tell the party later that she is not going to context the next election but will step down after Brexit is delivered.

So plunge the country into an economic depression and then run away into the sunset, just like Cameron. What a coward.

devnull

Alun wrote: »

So plunge the country into an economic depression and then run away into the sunset, just like Cameron. What a coward.

You don't forget Farage, he ran away from it before, came back for a little while and has vanished again.

Leroy42

Tell me how wrote: »

Laura Keunnsberg suggesting that she is going to tell the party later that she is not going to context the next election but will step down after Brexit is delivered.

To which the reply will be

"Well, du'h. That's been the plan since you fecked up the last GE!"

Laois_Man

devnull wrote: »

You don't forget Farage, he ran away from it before, came back for a little while and has vanished again.

He's starting a new party to run in the European elections in the event that the UK is still in the EU come next May

Tell me how

Alun wrote: »

So plunge the country into an economic depression and then run away into the sunset, just like Cameron. What a coward.

That's one opinion.
Another would be she went against her convictions in supporting membership of the EU to negotiate a deal enabling them leaving which would be least damaging to the UK while still respecting the result of the EU referendum. She then acknowledged that she was willing to become the sacrificial lamb while a new leader looked to take the country forward knowing that the finger would be pointed at her for every difficulty.

I would not be surprised if she claims later (maybe never publicly to be fair) that she never wanted to negotiate Brexit but could neither leave the country to the whim of Boris Johnson or ignore the will of the people.

McGiver

lawred2 wrote: »

Seriously though - that's a staggering statistic. Would like to see what the DUP think of that!?

How is it staggering?

rUK - £11.3
RoI - £3.9
rEU - £2.0
World - £4.3

RoI exports are "only" 33% of that to the rUK. EU27 exports are still only 50% of that to the rUK. Long way to go to shift the focus from the rUK to the EU and elsewhere.

rUK - 53% exports
EU27 - 27%
World - 20%

Scotland is in a similar position, actually even more dependent on the rUK trade. It would have to seriously reorient their exports to think about independence. AFAIk the figure in Scotland's case is 60%+.

El Weirdo

137 Tory MPs have publicly declared their support for TM. Whether they're telling the truth or not is another matter.

How many votes does she need to defeat the motion of no confidence? 150+?

Laois_Man

David Cameron did not do the cowardly thing - He did the respectable thing! It might not be saying much, but he was a more honorable PM than May is

Laois_Man

El Weirdo wrote: »

137 Tory MPs have publicly declared their support for TM. Whether they're telling the truth or not is another matter.

How many votes does she need to defeat the motion of no confidence? 150+?

158

Strazdas

El Weirdo wrote: »

137 Tory MPs have publicly declared their support for TM. Whether they're telling the truth or not is another matter.

How many votes does she need to defeat the motion of no confidence? 150+

She'll probably 'win' the vote. Of far more interest will be the level of opposition to her - that's the thing that will decide her long term future.

serfboard

Tell me how wrote: »

Laura Keunnsberg suggesting that she is going to tell the party later that she is not going to context the next election but will step down after Brexit is delivered.

Unlike Maggie Thatcher, I don't believe that TM will go if she only gets 50%+1 in the vote.

She will have to be dragged out of No. 10 kicking and screaming, and having her fingers prised off the door jams.

intellectual dosser

El Weirdo wrote: »

137 Tory MPs have publicly declared their support for TM. Whether they're telling the truth or not is another matter.

How many votes does she need to defeat the motion of no confidence? 150+?

She needs 158

Latest count is 174 publicly supporting her

Tell me how

Laois_Man wrote: »

David Cameron did not do the cowardly thing - He did the respectable thing! It might not be saying much, but he was a more honorable PM than May is

Can't agree with that view.

She has done many things wrong but not sure how her honour can be questioned when she picked up a stick dynamite masquerading as a baton.

What do you think she should have done which you would consider as respectful.

Laois_Man

serfboard wrote: »

Unlike Maggie Thatcher, I don't believe that TM will go if she only gets 50%+1 in the vote.

She will have to be dragged out of No. 10 kicking and screaming, and having her fingers prised off the door jams.

She'll win with more than 40 to spare IMO

lawred2

McGiver wrote: »

How is it staggering?

rUK - £11.3
RoI - £3.9
rEU - £2.0
World - £4.3

RoI exports are "only" 33% of that to the rUK. EU27 exports are still only 50% of that to the rUK. Long way to go to shift the focus from the rUK to the EU and elsewhere.

rUK - 53% exports
EU27 - 27%
World - 20%

Scotland is in a similar position, actually even more dependent on the rUK trade. It would have to seriously reorient their exports to think about independence. AFAIk the figure in Scotland's case is 60%+.

Proportional changes are relative.

And those relative changes are staggering.

Despite the backdrop of a run up to a possible hard Brexit, which the DUP would actively agitate for if any other deal was perceived to be weakening their union, the North is becoming increasingly dependent on the South of Ireland for exports.

And in fact it is trade with the RoI that filled a gap left by the consumption decline in rUK..

I don't think anyone here read that and thought in macro terms that the 'mainland' was not the largest 'export' market for NI.