Poppy

Danzy

Del.Monte wrote: »

Like Frankie, hide your bitterness away for another year.

I could care less either way.

I wouldn't bother commemorating on this day or wearing the poppy but then very, very few in this State do.

An absolutely tiny no.

That is fine for them , whatever floats their boat.

For all the debate, it is a non existent issue.

A symbol that no one really wears and commemorations that hardly exist.

I don't see what their is to be worked up about.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No, it's your opinion!


Followed by the usual frankie blah blah blah

Threads done for another year, keep the bitterness in your heart frankie, I'll see you in the next SF/IRA thread where you will continue to defend the indefensible;)

Funny you speak about the indefensible considering the RBL accepts sponsorship from BaE Systems, one of the biggest weapons exporters in the business. Commemorating the casualties of war while taking dosh from an entity that creates yet more.

Del.Monte

Danzy wrote: »

I could care less either way.

I wouldn't bother commemorating on this day or wearing the poppy but then very, very few in this State do.

An absolutely tiny no.

That is fine for them , whatever floats their boat.

For all the debate, it is a non existent issue.

A symbol that no one really wears and commemorations that hardly exist.

I don't see what their is to be worked up about.

Just repeating the same half-truths doesn't make them true. There was more interest in the commemorations this year than for a long time and I've seen plenty of poppy wearers even here in rebel Wexford. Just remember if it wasn't for the sacrifices made by the British & Allied forces (with a hefty Irish input) that we wouldn't have the freedom to be keyboard warriors today - totalitarian regimes aren't too keen on criticism.

Odhinn

Deleted User wrote: »

Funny you speak about the indefensible considering the RBL accepts sponsorship from BaE Systems, one of the biggest weapons exporters in the business. Commemorating the casualties of war while taking dosh from an entity that creates yet more.

Yeah, but they aren't Europeans so nobody much cares. Except about the money of course.
https://www.theguardian.com/baefiles/story/0,,2231496,00.html

FrancieBrady

Del.Monte wrote: »

Just repeating the same half-truths doesn't make them true. There was more interest in the commemorations this year than for a long time and I've seen plenty of poppy wearers even here in rebel Wexford. Just remember if it wasn't for the sacrifices made by the British & Allied forces (with a hefty Irish input) that we wouldn't have the freedom to be keyboard warriors today - totalitarian regimes aren't too keen on criticism.

:rolleyes::rolleyes: That old chestnut. :rolleyes:


This was the 100 year centenary. Nobody objects to respectful commemoration and the poppy is becoming more a symbol for belligerent jingoism and nostalgia for empire than it is a signifier of mourning or remembrance.
It will be the continuing attacks on those who don't wish to wear it in the UK that will hasten it's demise.

Odhinn

Del.Monte wrote: »

Just repeating the same half-truths doesn't make them true. There was more interest in the commemorations this year than for a long time and I've seen plenty of poppy wearers even here in rebel Wexford. Just remember if it wasn't for the sacrifices made by the British & Allied forces (with a hefty Irish input) that we wouldn't have the freedom to be keyboard warriors today - totalitarian regimes aren't too keen on criticism.

Yep. Just ask the Kenyans, Greeks, cyrpriots, chagos islanders, Burmese, Malayans, Indians, Iraqis, Iranians, Egyptians, Nigerians, Ugandans, Sudanese.......

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Patww79 wrote: »

Hopefully with this brexit thing driving a further wedge between us and the Brits we'll see less and less of these sympathisers. I was fearing for the country under the next generation for a long time.

whisky_galore

Del.Monte wrote: »

When did any government anywhere ever look after its returned service personnel? Life is cheap.

You're wrong.

Death is cheap.

FrancieBrady

The real reason why you must keep the populace (the easily deluded part, anyhow) believing that war is an honorable endeavour can be seen from simply just looking at what the three PM's stood over, and one queen stood over as head of the British armed forces and state. This is not to mention what they stood over on this island.

Blair: Afghanistan/Iraq, 635 UK military, 210,000 civilians dead.

Cameron: Libya/Syria, 1,500 civilians killed, £40 Billion of arms sold.

May: Yemen, 5,200 civilians killed, £3.5 Billion of arms to Saudi Arabia.

Grab All Association

When you try to be patriotic but end up looking like the sacred heart of Jesus

The Rape of Lucretia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Why? While she has different styles in her different realms, Her Majesty is the correct one in the UK and she should be accorded use of it. It is also the one the Irish would use if they rejoined the UK.

Ah Jaysas. This is comedy gold from the defenders of the Realm. Up the Republic.

rafatoni

Thanks be to god its over for another year.

lawred2

rafatoni wrote: »

Thanks be to god its over for another year.

Bound to be a few determined to keep the poppies for a few weeks yet

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

I could care less either way.

I wouldn't bother commemorating on this day or wearing the poppy but then very, very few in this State do.

An absolutely tiny no.

That is fine for them , whatever floats their boat.

For all the debate, it is a non existent issue.

A symbol that no one really wears and commemorations that hardly exist.

I don't see what their is to be worked up about.

I couldn't care less, Danzy.
Couldn't!

Danzy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I couldn't care less, Danzy.
Couldn't!

Same here a chara.

I could care less as well.

P_1

If you want to wear one wear one
If you don't want to wear one don't
If you want to tell someone what they should and shouldn't wear feel free to use a rusty bayonet as an anal dildo

Snickers Man

Snickers Man wrote: »

Wonder will the Loyal Orange Lodges of Dublin and Wicklow be placing a poppy wreath on Mount St Bridge again this year like they have for the last few years.

.....and of course they did!

Photographed Remembrance Sunday 2018. If you can't read the actual inscription it says:
"In everlasting memory of the young soldiers murdered at this place in 1916.
Their names liveth for evermore
Lest we forget. "

(emphasis mine) Logo is that of the Royal British Legion.

Conciliatory message in the spirit of Macron and Merkel laying wreaths together?
I don't think so.

Try putting a memorial up to Wehrmacht soldiers "murdered" by the French resistance in any town in France and see how far you get.

(PS Anyone know how to make an attached pic smaller? It doesn't need to be this big)

OldMrBrennan83

They should have been shut down long ago. No place for them here.

P_1

Patww79 wrote: »

They should have been shut down long ago. No place for them here.

Give over will you. We all know that if you were in Dublin in 1916 you'd have been calling the Volunteers and the ICA murdering scumbags and throwing rotten fruit at them

Danzy

Patww79 wrote: »

They should have been shut down long ago. No place for them here.

I think that most whether the approve of the poppy or not, armistice day, the British army can agree that the Orange Order are pure poison, a cancerous growth.

Iwouldinmesack

Lost five family members in WW1 on me mams side. My Great Grandmother was alive when i was younger and always spoke of her only brother who died at the battle of the Somme. On the other side my great grandfather survived the war, including the battle of Ypres. I tell you what, the poppy symbol means **** all to me in the greater scheme of things. Its not even a British concept anyway, the poem associated with it was written by an American and the poppy badge symbol was brought into existence by a Canadian. The most important thing is the keeping the memories alive of those that died in conflicts, regardless of where they were or who they were fought against. Everyone has loved ones. Seeing precious over handled, faded pictures of them shows me how much they were loved and it makes me sad to think of what they were like as a person, of how young they all were, how little they knew of the reality of warfare, of the indescribable horrors they must have seen, the fear that they must have felt and what they could have made of themselves if they had survived.Lest we forget.

Berserker

Some lovely services today. The service that RTE covered from Enniskillen was lovely. The tower of London looks incredible. So proud to be a part of it.

FrancieBrady

Berserker wrote: »

Some lovely services today. The service that RTE covered from Enniskillen was lovely. The tower of London looks incredible. So proud to be a part of it.

The appalling fact is that they did forget and the British are still involved in waste of significant life to this day.
How you can begin to believe that they are sincere evades me.

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The Westminster Abbey one as well. Quite excellent. German President was there and spoke. Final moment was Her Majesty and President shaking hands in peace.
Very moving. And impressive how despite the violence and price paid by both countries, they can indeed bury the hatchet and move on as mature well adjusted modern nations. Unlike. Well.

bnt

I was at the ceremony at the Irish National War Memorial Gardens in Islandbridge, which was smaller and shorter, I believe. During the two minutes silence, a WW1 biplane flew over, I think it was a Sopwith Camel or replica. The buglers could have used a little more practice, perhaps ..!



PS: I shrank the picture offline before uploading - there are no image size controls on Boards AFAIK.

Timberrrrrrrr

Snickers Man wrote: »

.....and of course they did!

Photographed Remembrance Sunday 2018. If you can't read the actual inscription it says:
"In everlasting memory of the young soldiers murdered at this place in 1916.
Their names liveth for evermore
Lest we forget. "

(emphasis mine) Logo is that of the Royal British Legion.

Conciliatory message in the spirit of Macron and Merkel laying wreaths together?
I don't think so.

Try putting a memorial up to Wehrmacht soldiers "murdered" by the French resistance in any town in France and see how far you get.

(PS Anyone know how to make an attached pic smaller? It doesn't need to be this big)

Its a blank card you get when you buy a wreath, should they ask people what the message will be before selling them? :rolleyes:

Spook_ie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Entitled to ask what?

Anybody calling a judge 'mlud' or 'my lord' in an Irish court is wrong.

But would you not respect them by using their correct form of address whether that be Judge, Your Honour, Mr. President, Your Highness etc.

Mookie Blaylock

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

My reference was to judges...who still like being called mlud

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

As they are entitled to ask in court, as you well know

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anybody calling a judge 'mlud' or 'my lord' in an Irish court is wrong.

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

Incorrect, a sitting judge can ask to be addressed of he so wishes

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

No he/she cannot force anyone to call him/her 'mlud' or 'my lord'.

Stop digging that hole Mookie.

Seriously. Why are you spouting such patently ignorant West Brit drivel, Mookie? Francie is 100% correct.

In April 2006 new rules were signed into effect changing the way judges in Ireland are addressed in court. In the past, judges in Ireland were referred to as "My Lord", or "His Lordship". Now, they will be addressed as "Judge" or referred to as "The Court". The only exception to this is in the case of the Chief Justice and President of the High Courts, who are addressed by their titles.(Role of the judge in Irish law)

zapitastas

On this day 100 years ago, drunken British soldiers celebrating the Armistice broke into No.6 Harcourt St. Dublin and viciously assaulted Seamus O'Kelly, newspaper editor and Cultural Nationalist. He later died in hospital. Lest we forget

FrancieBrady

Spook_ie wrote: »

But would you not respect them by using their correct form of address whether that be Judge, Your Honour, Mr. President, Your Highness etc.

No problem with Judge or President. I don't use deferential titles though and there is no onus on me to dis'respect' myself so doing.

The Rape of Lucretia

zapitastas wrote: »

On this day 100 years ago, drunken British soldiers celebrating the Armistice broke into No.6 Harcourt St. Dublin and viciously assaulted Seamus O'Kelly, newspaper editor and Cultural Nationalist. He later died in hospital. Lest we forget

Thats Ireland's limited horizons all right. The First World War : man dies after being assaulted by drunks.

Spook_ie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No problem with Judge or President. I don't use deferential titles though and there is no onus on me to dis'respect' myself so doing.

So there you are in Amsterdam and your drinking buddy or whatever says look there's the queen, she's coming over to speak to us, how are you going to greet her?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_royal_house

FrancieBrady

Spook_ie wrote: »

So there you are in Amsterdam and your drinking buddy or whatever says look there's the queen, she's coming over to speak to us, how are you going to greet her?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_royal_house

Hello.

lawred2

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Thats Ireland's limited horizons all right. The First World War : man dies after being assaulted by drunks.

You just can't resist yourself can you!?

Spook_ie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hello.

So disrespectful though, there is still a law in NL and other countries of Lese-majeste

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lèse-majesté

So perhaps not calling them by their correct title isn't the wisest of options.

whisky_galore

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Thats Ireland's limited horizons all right. The First World War : man dies after being assaulted by drunks.

It was the island where the term 'whataboutery' was coined after all.

FrancieBrady

Spook_ie wrote: »

So disrespectful though, there is still a law in NL and other countries of Lese-majeste

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lèse-majesté;

So perhaps not calling them by their correct title isn't the wisest of options.

There is no monarch in the world who is MY monarch. They'll just have to get over it.

SafeSurfer

zapitastas wrote: »

On this day 100 years ago, drunken British soldiers celebrating the Armistice broke into No.6 Harcourt St. Dublin and viciously assaulted Seamus O'Kelly, newspaper editor and Cultural Nationalist. He later died in hospital. Lest we forget

Died of a heart attack after the premises was attacked?

“ engaging in riotous celebration of the armistice which ended the first world war, attacked the premises where O’Kelly was working into the night. A man of gentle character he was upset by the aggression and suffered a seizure. He did not recover and died three days later on 14 November 1918 “

Spook_ie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is no monarch in the world who is MY monarch. They'll just have to get over it.

But you don't address them as "My majesty"

FrancieBrady

Spook_ie wrote: »

But you don't address them as "My majesty"

I don't address anyone as 'My, Your or Others Majesty' and never will. I don't call priests 'Father' either.
It's archaic, deferential and cringe inducing to think that anyone would insist on it.
I was in a room at a dinner once at a university in the UK where someone decided pre-dinner to toast the queen. I declined, got a few leers, but they too got over it.

The Rape of Lucretia

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I was in a room at a dinner once at a university in the UK where someone decided pre-dinner to toast the queen. I declined, got a few leers, but they too got over it.

That was extraordinarily self-indulgent and rude. The Irish only have themselves to blame for the low opinion the British have of them.

Mookie Blaylock

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seriously. Why are you spouting such patently ignorant West Brit drivel, Mookie? Francie is 100% correct.

As I said, a judge can request to be addressed as mlud... whether you chose to do so or not is your choice, it's easy to follow ...even for yourself yeah?

FrancieBrady

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

As I said, a judge can request to be addressed as mlud... whether you chose to do so or not is your choice, it's easy to follow ...even for yourself yeah?

Still unable to just admit you were wrong.

Here is what you said:

When you're in court you always call the judge "My Lord'
Try calling him buddy and see what happens

Mookie Blaylock

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Still unable to just admit you were wrong.

Here is what you said:

Yes, and I said at his request...did I not say that?... you're not very good at this are you ... anyway...it's almost all over now, you can go back to saluting the tricolour and throw on the Wolfe tones greatest hits like a good man

FrancieBrady

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

Yes, and I said at his request...did I not say that?... you're not very good at this are you ... anyway...it's almost all over now, you can go back to saluting the tricolour and throw on the Wolfe tones greatest hits like a good man

:D And rather than just admit you were wrong you fire some invective.

Good one Mookie. Very revealing.

JustJoe7240

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

That was extraordinarily self-indulgent and rude. The Irish only have themselves to blame for the low opinion the British have of them.

You're a hilariously bad troll, the drivel you've been spouting has been very amusing.

Snickers Man

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Its a blank card you get when you buy a wreath, should they ask people what the message will be before selling them? :rolleyes:

Er, I don't have any beef with people who sell wreaths.

But people who put deliberately inflammatory messages on symbols at areas of historical significance and then claim that those who disagree with them are "writing people out of history" and being inimical to "reconciliation" and "dishonouring the memory of those who served" are beneath contempt, in my view.

muddypaws

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

That was extraordinarily self-indulgent and rude. The Irish only have themselves to blame for the low opinion the British have of them.

And the Englishwoman that I went to Wembley with for an England v Ireland footie match who made a huge point of sitting down when the Irish anthem was played? What opinion would you have of her?

FrancieBrady

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

That was extraordinarily self-indulgent and rude. The Irish only have themselves to blame for the low opinion the British have of them.

Well, I am invited back every few years to the same event and am friends with some of those who leered.

People generally dislike people who fawn and hat doff, even though they might not say it.
Personally I am only interested in people who know their own minds and who have principles.

Spook_ie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't address anyone as 'My, Your or Others Majesty' and never will. I don't call priests 'Father' either.
It's archaic, deferential and cringe inducing to think that anyone would insist on it.
I was in a room at a dinner once at a university in the UK where someone decided pre-dinner to toast the queen. I declined, got a few leers, but they too got over it.

I think you're just lacking common courtesy, some would call it rudeness but I think it's more likely a case of upbringing, is being courteous really such an anathema for you?