Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

B-D-P--

Looks like the times are trying to influence a MDH vote anyways.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-irish-presidents-are-the-best-in-the-world-1.3671909

SafeSurfer

B-D-P-- wrote: »

Looks like the times are trying to influence a MDH vote anyways.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-irish-presidents-are-the-best-in-the-world-1.3671909

There you go Francie Brady. Yet another example of media bias in favour of their darling Michael D.

ChikiChiki

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I think this Casey things highlights the gulf between the media and the man on the street.

I have not personally heard a single person disagree with Caseys comments - not one single person, yet the media have him portrayed as some foaming at the mouth bigot.

I'm delighted he said what he did - I'm sick and tired of the hypocrisy and the pandering to the like of John Connor and Pavee Point - over-publicised mouth pieces for a "culture" which is essentially parasitic and should be just allowed to die of natural causes - so what if you've always done "X" the world changes, we all need to change with it or we'd still be hunther gatherers.

Sponging, thieving, littering and fighting is not a culture worth preserving. "But we used to travel from town to town, mending pots and pans!" So fúcking what, we throw them out now and get new ones, time to find a new trade! We USED to put kids up chimneys and live in indentured servitude - we moved on, it was good for us!

30,000 travellers in Ireland and look at the trouble they cause and the money they cost. We could take in a million refugees for the price and they would actually benefit us as a whole.

It's time to call a spade a spade!

We seen the same with Trump being elected in the US. Wouldn't surprise me if Casey gets elected. Media show bias and can be totally disconnected from the man on the street.

rovertom

I believe the absence of a poll since the last debate is a national scandal.
Claire Byrne show last night had a 1000 person poll carried out yesterday on some random topic. No problem yet all main media are producing poll data for over a week ago for the election when it's clear that old data is no longer relevant.

SafeSurfer

rovertom wrote: »

I believe the absence of a poll since the last debate is a national scandal.
Claire Byrne show last night had a 1000 person poll carried out yesterday on some random topic. No problem yet all main media are producing poll data for over a week ago for the election when it's clear that old data is no longer relevant.

It was the same with Joe Duffy’s Liveline yesterday. One random caller for each candidate instead of the 10 minute text polls he is so fond off. The media elite don’t want to show the groundswell of support for Casey telling it like it is.

The dates of the opinion polls in 2011 are listed here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_presidential_election,_2011

Do they tally with this election so far? Sorry, on phone so can’t embed anything.

gmisk

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It was the same with Joe Duffy’s Liveline yesterday. One random caller for each candidate instead of the 10 minute text polls he is so fond off. The media elite don’t want to show the groundswell of support for Casey telling it like it is.

If you are so sure of this massive groundswell of report for Casey get yourself down paddy power, sure you are ahead of the curve!


He was on 2%...realistically how high do you think he is going to be after? 8%? 10%? The way some people are talking here they seem to think he is on about 50! lol



Talk of a national scandal.....is truly laughable.

gmisk

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The dates of the opinion polls in 2011 are listed here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_presidential_election,_2011

Do they tally with this election so far? Sorry, on phone so can’t embed anything.

2011 says one on the 6th, 16th, 22nd and 23rd.
So I would say there will probably be one coming today or tomorrow.

gmisk

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It was the same with Joe Duffy’s Liveline yesterday. One random caller for each candidate instead of the 10 minute text polls he is so fond off. The media elite don’t want to show the groundswell of support for Casey telling it like it is.

Its ridiculous! If only there was someone on the radio you could call up with any oul complaint and be listened to......

LiamoSail

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is one 300 yrds away. Already said it, it has caused no more trouble than some of the pubs here.

There must be some mad, crime ridden pubs near you

pumpkin4life

https://twitter.com/EmmaMurphy12150/status/1054672339890331648

NIMAN

MDH will still win the race, people tend to vote for what they know if they are undecided.

But I would expect to see PC get around 15% or so.

Not bad for a man that was on 1% last week. It shows he touched a nerve in the country.

I'd like to see PC come 2nd in the race, especially to rub it up that creep Gallagher.

McMurphy

pumpkin4life wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EmmaMurphy12150/status/1054672339890331648

It is my belief that it's a 2 horse race, Higgins v Casey.

I placed the following bets on Casey.

5e to win @ 500-1
15e to come 2nd @ 16-1.

Followed this up this am with

25E Casey to win @ 40 -1
75E Casey 2nd @ 4-1.

Worth the punt imo

jjmcclure

I hope Casey comes a very close second, that would really send a message to Leo Viagra and the rest of the PC brigade.



Unfortunately the message will largely be ignored, however it may spark a new conversation and movement in the country.

jmayo

VinLieger wrote: »

I disagree about anything positive being achievable from this and while I agree with some of what Casey has said he's running an entirely negative campaign which I do not believe anything positive can come from.

People corresponding to negative campaigning like this is not a positive and can only lead in a bad direction.

Ah yes either another worried supporter of one of the main party candidates or one of the crusaders for social liberation i.e. supporter of the usual luvvies like travellers, the permanently unemployed (also see travellers), the perennial criminals (also see travellers), bogus asylum seekers and refugees, muslim non conformists, make up your own gender today, etc.

VinLieger wrote: »

Well you see it depends on what metric you gauge intelligence, anyone voting for him based on a single issue he ultimately has zero power or ability to effect change on is not educated or intelligent

Ah yes lets allude to some of the go to points as to why not to vote for the most honest speaking candidate.

When you can't argue the point and inconvenient headlines appear such as very public homeless campaigner and traveller visits court yet again, then you have to turn to some of the go to statements.

1. you are a bit thick, actually you are very thick.
2. he is a one issue candidate so why vote for him.
3. sure why vote for him as he will only get 5% of the vote.
4. sure it doesn't matter anyway because he can't change anything as president.
5. oh and you are a racist like Casey.

6. there are bad people and they vote for bad people.


Now have I left anyone out ?

EDIT: No. 6 thanks to Jackman25 who found this example.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108422067&postcount=4581

I have noticed the same slant on numerous posts from all the anti Casey posters.

AnneFrank wrote: »

He will get the uneducated vote only, never a chance to win or even compete,but he's got publicity which is all he wanted, bang for his buck in terms of campaign spend.

Ehh I will vote no 1 for him and I have a honours degree and masters in engineering.
And I know quite a few other university degree people who will do likewise.
Of course maybe if I did a degree in some social studies or gender studies course with subsequent taxpayer funded job I might vote differently. :rolleyes:

Cork Boy 53

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

It is my belief that it's a 2 horse race, Higgins v Casey.

I placed the following bets on Casey.

5e to win @ 500-1
15e to come 2nd @ 16-1.

Followed this up this am with

25E Casey to win @ 40 -1
75E Casey 2nd @ 4-1.

Worth the punt imo

That could all change depending on how tonight`s TV debate goes. I suspect Casey will be put under pressure and will not come out of it well.

Geuze

tretorn wrote: »

I really want him to say something about immigrants, I was looking at the Rotunda programme and most of the parents were non national and couldnt even speak english.

How are so many of these people arriving here, I am beginning to think we have no immigrant policy at all.

Yes, how so many non-EU people are here is surprising.

Many are "students" on visa that allow them to work 20 or 40 hours pw, this is massively abused.

How there are Turkish barber shops, I don't know.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It was the same with Joe Duffy’s Liveline yesterday. One random caller for each candidate instead of the 10 minute text polls he is so fond off. The media elite don’t want to show the groundswell of support for Casey telling it like it is.

He isn't allowed to do a mini election. Broadcasters have to operate under very tight regulation on these things.

NIMAN

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

That could all change depending on how tonight`s TV debate goes. I suspect Casey will be put under pressure and will not come out of it well.

@ JohnnyDogs, You got decent odds there, I hope you lift a pile !!

I'd agree with your last comment. I think the media will do their best tonight to make him last as bad as possible. After all, they need to protect their darling MDH. And PC isn't the most eloquent of men. Not a great orator.

Casey going from 500/1 to 40/1 to win is very telling. Bookies normally aren't too far off the mark.

gmisk

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

It is my belief that it's a 2 horse race, Higgins v Casey.

I placed the following bets on Casey.

5e to win @ 500-1
15e to come 2nd @ 16-1.

Followed this up this am with

25E Casey to win @ 40 -1
75E Casey 2nd @ 4-1.

Worth the punt imo

At those odds 2nd it is definitely worth a punt, i dont think its impossible for him to get up to 12/13%

McMurphy

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

That could all change depending on how tonight`s TV debate goes. I suspect Casey will be put under pressure and will not come out of it well.

It is my belief that the incumbent could come out much worse.

I seldom bet, but I reckon those odds are attractive enough to lay down a few bob on.

Could very well be that those odds are slashed further after tonight's debate, who knows.

elperello

rovertom wrote: »

I believe the absence of a poll since the last debate is a national scandal.
Claire Byrne show last night had a 1000 person poll carried out yesterday on some random topic. No problem yet all main media are producing poll data for over a week ago for the election when it's clear that old data is no longer relevant.

I expect they have been caught out.
Expecting a dull campaign with little to excite interest they simply had no polls commissioned.

NIMAN

If any more dirt is thrown at MDH and appears to stick, then it might get interesting!

B-D-P--

jjmcclure wrote: »

it may spark a new conversation and movement in the country.

Spark a conversation maybe, But a movement, doubtful.
unless Casey leads a political movement, nothing else will come from it.

LiamoSail

VinLieger wrote: »

Well you see it depends on what metric you gauge intelligence, anyone voting for him based on a single issue he ultimately has zero power or ability to effect change on is not educated or intelligent

Who the President is is largely irrelevant. Were Peter Casey to win or come second, going from 1% to 15+% purely on the basis of his anti-scrounged rhetoric, it would send a huge message to all parties ahead of the next general election.

The ordinary working people are sick of picking up the tab for the scroungers. Not the pensioners, not those on disability, the scroungers. There's a significant number of votes in it for any party prepared to address this issue. Given the populist nature of Irish politics, you can be sure someone will

jmayo

Omackeral wrote: »

Interesting that the Google Street Car wouldn't go in there. Much the same as Labre Park in Ballyfermot which, by the way, is a fcuking kip of the highest order on its perimeters. Look at the state of this. Sh*t just hopped over the wall. Malnourished horses grazing there too on what I assume is usurped land beside the canal.

As joeytheparrot would tell you it is probably Thorntons recycling next door that is causing all that rubbish.

The real laugh here is how long someone with that posters sexual preference would last in a traveller encampment much like how long they would last in the company of another one of their cause cause celebres.

gmisk wrote: »

What percentage of the vote would you classify as fine for him?
I honestly don't see him getting much above 6 or 7%

So let me guess we should not vote for him because he won't get many votes.
Conversely we could argue why vote for micheal D as he will get loads of votes ?

gmisk wrote: »

So you have a problem with shoplifters I am sorry to hear that...but what has that got to do with the presidential election? Are you hinting that these are all travellers? ... And Casey winning is going to stop it happening?

Ah yes revert to argument how a vote for Casey is wasted because he ultimately can't do anything as president.

Again we could turn that on it's head and say a vote for miceal D is wasted because he can't do anything as president either.
Well apart from take the jet on little trips around Ireland.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The 37 conviction part only came out with the Penney’s case. The story about being in the car with the stolen goods was found by a poster on here. It was reported as a stand-alone article when it eventually went to court but was never brought up again when she found infamy.

Ehh that trip to court re being found in car with loads of stolen loot down in Wexford was brought up on threads here by a few posters, myself included, about the homeless campaigner when people were falling over themselves to fawn over her and her supposedly awful situation.

jmayo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He isn't allowed to do a mini election. Broadcasters have to operate under very tight regulation on these things.

Jaysus some of us were getting worried you hadn't posted here in a few hours.

BTW are you on overtime ?

LiamoSail

Geuze wrote: »

Yes, how so many non-EU people are here is surprising.

Many are "students" on visa that allow them to work 20 or 40 hours pw, this is massively abused.

How there are Turkish barber shops, I don't know.

So what? These are people coming here to make a better life for themselves in much the same way generations of Irish have in the UK, Aus and the US.

They're coming over here and adding to the diversity of culture, and contributing. The fact you mention barber shops demonstrates they're here to work and be part of society.

I'm all for Casey and his war on the scroungers, but if he targets the immigrants my conscience couldn't allow me vote for him

PlaneSpeeking

LiamoSail wrote: »

So what? These are people coming here to make a better life for themselves in much the same way generations of Irish have in the UK, Aus and the US.

They're coming over here and adding to the diversity of culture, and contributing. The fact you mention barber shops demonstrates they're here to work and be part of society.

I'm all for Casey and his war on the scroungers, but if he targets the immigrants my conscience couldn't allow me vote for him

You assume that the bold part is a good thing ?????

And for every Eastern European immigrant who works their bollocks off, there are plenty more from other parts of the world who do not.

FYI - the Turkish barber shop in my town is known to be a front for say "unsavoury activities".

2018 (my apologies for crap formatting)

Last date
of polling Polling firm and Commissioner Info

24 August 2018 Ireland Thinks/Irish Daily Mail[64]
The polling firm interviewed a random sample of 942 adults aged over 18 by telephone this month, ending last Friday 24 Aug.
16 September 2018 Red C/The Sunday Business Post[65]
The poll was taken over a week-long period, starting on Thursday September 6 and ending last Thursday 13 Sep
10 October 2018 Red C/Paddy Power[66]
The poll was commissioned by bookmakers Paddy Power and was carried out from 3-10 October.
16 October 2018 Behaviour & Attitudes/The Sunday Times[67]
The poll was conducted from 5 October to 16 October in a series of face-to-face interviews with 930 voters.
17 October 2018 Ipsos MRBI/The Irish Times[68]
The poll was conducted on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of last week among a representative sample of 1,200 voters aged 18 and over in face-to-face interviews at 120 sampling points in all constituencies. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.8 per cent.


2011

Date Source Polling Agency Info
25 September 2011 The Sunday Business Post[187]
RED C The Red C poll sought the opinions of 1,000 people from around the country and was taken as the final list of candidates remained unknown.
6 October 2011 The Irish Times[188]
Ipsos MRBI No Info on dates given https://www.irishtimes.com/news/higgins-leading-aras-polls-with-gallagher-second-1.884757
6 October 2011 Paddy Power[189]
RED C 1,000 interviews were conducted between the 3 and 5 October.
16 October 2011 The Sunday Business Post[190]
RED C Polling for this poll was undertaken between Monday and Wednesday of this week,
22 October 2011 The Sunday Business Post[191]
RED C The poll was taken between Tuesday and Thursday of last week and asked the opinions of 1,000 voters.
23 October 2011 The Irish Times[192]
Ipsos MRBI The poll was taken on Thursday and Friday among a representative sample of 1,000 voters

2004
Only candidate nominated was Mary McAleese who was elected on 1st October 2004