Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

Conservative · 23-10-2018 10:41pm

Joan Freeman just go home and stop wasting everybody's time.

Taking a salary the guts of 100,000 from a charity.. such a vocation.

23-10-2018 10:42pm

blanch152 wrote: »

That is ridiculous, it assumes that Michael D. Higgins can't lie. He is human and a politician, that means he is a practiced liar.

Just because he said it was security concerns doesn't mean he was automatically telling him the truth. It is amazing the way that Higgins supporters fawn over his words and treat him as someone more special than a not-very-good politician.

So, you are saying he is a liar?
Do you have any proof of his lies? What has he lied about?

jace_da_face · 23-10-2018 10:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think that example proves they are receiving special treatment as a result of being an ethnic minority

I don't believe that any other group could get away with refusing houses because they didn't have stables. I'm not saying that the traveller group in Tipperary got their way (time will tell), but the fact that they would request this is emboldened by their ethnic status. They will use their culture and status as a bargaining tool. We will see many more examples of this type of thing in time.

willowthewisp · 23-10-2018 10:43pm

Michael D, winning easy just by saying & doing nothing.

eeepaulo · 23-10-2018 10:44pm

RTE letting them all talk, joan, gavin, sean, watch him now...... dont like pikeys do you peter?

The Satanist · 23-10-2018 10:45pm

Joan : irrelevant
Liadh: thinks she's important but a joke
Michael

if he was a foot taller and 20 years younger he'd be getting slaughtered
Gallagher: arrogant FFer, irrelevant but penny hasn't dropped yet
Casey: doesn't give a bollox
Duffy: a bollox

That's all folks.

FrancieBrady · 23-10-2018 10:46pm

hawkwing wrote: »

I'd say you would eat a traveller's sh1t

This is the type of person Casey incited. ^
I hope this post is left here as a testament to him.

Fr_Dougal · 23-10-2018 10:46pm

Gavin Duffy...weak.

Michael D. didn’t show up.

alaimacerc · 23-10-2018 10:48pm

jace_da_face wrote: »

I'm not saying that the traveller group in Tipperary got their way (time will tell), but the fact that they would request this is emboldened by their ethnic status.

Being Doctor Who again. Their claim is they had a long-standing agreement with Tipp council for some sort of facilities for their horses. How's that anything to do with their being "emboldened" by much more recent recognition as an ethnic group?

If anything, it sounds a lot more like TCC being "emboldened" by an appeal to nasty populist anti-Traveller outrage to renege on that agreement. (If what's reported as being agreed is accurate.)

McMurphy · 23-10-2018 10:48pm

bubblypop wrote: »

So, you are saying he is a liar?
Do you have any proof of his lies? What has he lied about?

How dare anyone suggest he's lying.

Security issue
Liaison with PSNI

Called out very publicly on both these claims.....

Tonight it turns out it was to save time.

You know if he had of just said something along the lines of " my travel arrangements are taken care off by my security team, and I have little to no influence in that" there'd not have been a whisper since, right?

jace_da_face · 23-10-2018 10:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This is the type of person Casey incited. ^
I hope this post is left here as a testament to him.

He was only playing you at your own game. And you know it

23-10-2018 10:50pm

jace_da_face wrote: »

I don't believe that any other group could get away with refusing houses because they didn't have stables. I'm not saying that the traveller group in Tipperary got their way (time will tell), but the fact that they would request this is emboldened by their ethnic status. They will use their culture and status as a bargaining tool. We will see many more examples of this type of thing in time.

You have made that connection that they are demanding this because of their ethnic minority status. Is there any proof that being an ethnic minority in Ireland makes you more equal than others.

alaimacerc · 23-10-2018 10:51pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think you’ll find I predicted it back around 1730.

Regrettably seems I was correct.

The predictable part here is Bren marking his own homework, as per.

jace_da_face · 23-10-2018 10:52pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Being Doctor Who again. Their claim is they had a long-standing agreement with Tipp council for some sort of facilities for their horses. How's that anything to do with their being "emboldened" by much more recent recognition as an ethnic group?

If anything, it sounds a lot more like TCC being "emboldened" by an appeal to nasty populist anti-Traveller outrage to renege on that agreement. (If what's reported as being agreed is accurate.)

I couldn't care less about what they claim. They refused free houses because they were not give stables. Gees. Can't see the wood for the trees!

23-10-2018 10:52pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

How dare anyone suggest he's lying.

Security issue
Liaison with PSNI

Called out very publicly on both these claims.....

Tonight it turns out it was to save time.

You know if he had of just said something along the lines of " my travel arrangements are taken care off by my security team, and I have little to no influence in that" there'd not have been a whisper since, right?

True.
That's probably what he should have said!

FrancieBrady · 23-10-2018 10:52pm

jace_da_face wrote: »

He was only playing you at your own game. And you know it

With respect, I have debated the issues here robustly, but with some decency I hope.

freshpopcorn · 23-10-2018 10:53pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

How dare anyone suggest he's lying.

Security issue
Liaison with PSNI

Called out very publicly on both these claims.....

Tonight it turns out it was to save time.

You know if he had of just said something along the lines of " my travel arrangements are taken care off by my security team, and I have little to no influence in that" there'd not have been a whisper since, right?

Certain people are Michael D fans and they'll always defend him in my experience!

Lackey · 23-10-2018 10:55pm

Just goes to show these people throw 'isms' around like confetti

Casey: Travellers should be treated equally, the same as everyone else
The Panel: Racist
Casey: I will set up a panel of all young women and my wife to advise me in different areas e.g. disability
Panel: Tumbleweed rolls by

Bahaha Vote Casey No.1 !!

eeepaulo · 23-10-2018 10:56pm

Lackey wrote: »

Just goes to show these people throw 'isms' around like confetti

Casey: Travellers should be treated equally, the same as everyone else
The Panel: Racist
Casey: I will set up a panel of all young women and my wife to advise me in different areas e.g. disability
Panel: Tumbleweed rolls by

Bahaha Vote Casey No.1 !!

The man's a clown, but i got 50c @ 500/1 so VOTE CASEY

LiamoSail · 23-10-2018 10:58pm

Conservative wrote: »

Joan Freeman just go home and stop wasting everybody's time.

Taking a salary the guts of 100,000 from a charity.. such a vocation.

I'm no Joan Freenman fan, I know nothing of her but I see no issue with the CEO (or equivalent role) of a charity earning €100k.

That's what a decent CEO will cost. Granted you could get the role filled for €30k/yr, or on a voluntary basis, but you won't attract the the calibre of candidate with the education, experience and expertise necessary to manage and direct a large organisation to its potential.

According to wiki, Freeman has a masters in psychology, founded and grew Pieta House and presumably has considerable experience. €100k seems a fair salary for that calibre of qualification and experience

alaimacerc · 23-10-2018 10:59pm

Benzino wrote: »

While I agree somewhat with his comments regarding the traveller community, I find his video regarding MDH dogs to be extremely embarrassing, can't take him seriously after seeing that. Honestly who came up with that, green lit it, produced it and then said yeah, that's good!

Traditionally, people who "agree somewhat" with comments disparaging Travellers elect some local councillor or TD that has the small bit of brains needed to parlay them into some sort of semi-deniable "not in my back yard" protestations about them.

To vote for someone spouting crass vacuities on topic, running for a position not able to do anything about it, would be illogical even on its own nasty little terms. Which could almost be subtitle for this thread...

Calhoun · 23-10-2018 11:00pm

jace_da_face wrote: »

I couldn't care less about what they claim. They refused free houses because they were not give stables. Gees. Can't see the wood for the trees!

All the negative comments started pilling on because of the entitlement over the site in Tipp not before. If you think about it up until the referendum on the 8th there was a very pro Traveller push in the media ect.

Folk are now changing the narrative because it suits them, as it makes it easier to paint those they disagree with in a negative light .

elperello · 23-10-2018 11:01pm

LiamoSail wrote: »

I'm no Joan Freenman fan, I know nothing of her but I see no issue with the CEO (or equivalent role) of a charity earning €100k.

That's what a decent CEO will cost. Granted you could get the role filled for €30k/yr, or on a voluntary basis, but you won't attract the the calibre of candidate with the education, experience and expertise necessary to manage and direct a large organisation to its potential.

According to wiki, Freeman has a masters in psychology, founded and grew Pieta House and presumably has considerable experience. €100k seems a fair salary for that calibre of qualification and experience

The HSE is full of wastes of space on 100k who should be doing a lot of the work left to charities to do.

FrancieBrady · 23-10-2018 11:03pm

Calhoun wrote: »

All the negative comments started pilling on because of the entitlement over the site in Tipp not before. If you think about it up until the referendum on the 8th there was a very pro Traveller push in the media ect.

Folk are now changing the narrative because it suits them, as it makes it easier to paint those they disagree with in a negative light .

Lads, the issue is dead. Peter got found out, When challenged, as predicted, he couldn't defend his position. When he started blabbering about 'benefits' he got rightly ridiculed for talking ****e.

jace_da_face · 23-10-2018 11:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You have made that connection that they are demanding this because of their ethnic minority status. Is there any proof that being an ethnic minority in Ireland makes you more equal than others.

Proof? Let's not deal in such absolutes here. Terms like ethnic minority are all about semantics. And that means subtle power. I heard Martin Collins of Pavee Point refer to Casey as a racist the other night on the news. Not prejudiced or intolerant, but racist. I think any Nigerians watching this must have had a good laugh at some Irish white man say that another Irish white man was racist toward his group. That's the kind of claim you can make with ethnic minority status I would say.

So if councils refuse the wishes of travellers and fear being branded a racist as a result, for example, then their minority status is very relevant.

Brendan Bendar · 23-10-2018 11:04pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

The predictable part here is Bren marking his own homework, as per.

Attack the post, not the poster.

Where did I see that written down, I wonder……………

(Was I wrong,but

)

eeepaulo · 23-10-2018 11:05pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Lads, the issue is dead. Peter got found out, When challenged, as predicted, he couldn't defend his position. When he started blabbering about 'benefits' he got rightly ridiculed for talking ****e.

You still dont get it, he isnt a great orator like tony blair, he isnt an opportunist like donald trump, he is a bumbling fool who simply said what every normal person thinks, then he got dragged across the coals by the media and politicians

FrancieBrady · 23-10-2018 11:07pm

eeepaulo wrote: »

You still dont get it, he isnt a great orator like tony blair, he isnt an opportunist like donald trump, he is a bumbling fool who simply said what every normal person thinks, then he got dragged across the coals by the media and politicians

Because he was wrong. Full stop. And normal people are smart enough to see that.

Conservative · 23-10-2018 11:08pm

I think this miscalculation here is that these "Dragon's" are wealthy. Casey is relatively wealthy, the other two are not and not sure they ever have been.

Open to correction.

eeepaulo · 23-10-2018 11:11pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because he was wrong. Full stop. And normal people are smart enough to see that.

Marvelous, debate over, francie has said wrong. Full stop. Sounds like the media.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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