Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

alaimacerc

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You completely miss my point. Have FG, FF and Labour ever supported the same candidate in a presidential election or any other election? It’s time to vote for anyone but the anointed one.

On the contrary, you completely failed to make one, which I pointed out with some precision. This is a self-nomination by a sitting president. The historically usual occurrence in such case is that there isn't even a contest. Hence, you attempt to whip up some sort of "OMG, unprecedented establishment stitch-up!" scenario is ludicrous on its face.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Most people have a mind of their own, there are some that are easily led by trite journalism and trite political speak.

Go easy on yourself Francie, I once thought Michael D was one of the good guys too before he got greedy.

MrMusician18

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Most people have a mind of their own, there are some that are easily led by trite journalism and trite political speak.

You'll actually find that most are easily led. And it's easier to lead them when you are selective about the information you make available to them?

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Go easy on yourself Francie, I once thought Michael D was one of the good guys too before he got greedy.

Yeh, a half hour flight on a jet that cost multiples of that to sit on the ground...fecking greedy despot he is! :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

MrMusician18 wrote: »

You'll actually find that most are easily led. And it's easier to lead them when you are selective about the information you make available to them?

Has MDH explained why his special assistant gets to live in the Aras, rent free, at the taxpayers expense?

How do you know this, can you link to a source?

SafeSurfer

alaimacerc wrote: »

On the contrary, you completely failed to make one, which I pointed out with some precision. This is a self-nomination by a sitting president. The historically usual occurrence in such case is that there isn't even a contest. Hence, you attempt to whip up some sort of "OMG, unprecedented establishment stitch-up!" scenario is ludicrous on its face.

“With some precision” geez you sound like a Sean Gallagher supporter. If you can’t or won’t grasp my point ie it is an unprecedented situation, (you can fact check this), I don’t know why you are so delighted with yourself.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yeh, a half hour flight on a jet that cost multiples of that to sit on the ground...fecking greedy despot he is! :rolleyes:

I said before I don’t think the jets or expensive hotels or flying florists around the world or using state funds to landscape a private house are an issue.

I think it is greedy for a 77 year old with multiple pensions, who has been a highly paid politician for 45 years and who promised to not seek another term as president, to run again and look for another 7 years of living off the state, up to the age of 83.
It’s greedy and not in the best interests of the country.

alaimacerc

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Go easy on yourself Francie, I once thought Michael D was one of the good guys too before he got greedy.

This "greed" being manifest as... a presidency entirely in line scope and spending with previous ones?

I'd be entirely in favour of a cut in the presidential salary. The other budget items are more to do with what you want the office to do. Both are matters for the government, though. That one of the "big issues" has been a sort of Dutch auction on the expenditure... kinda proves there are no big issues.

MrMusician18

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How do you know this, can you link to a source?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/higgins-office-blocks-queries-over-aides-rent-free-aras-stay-zn73x29ww9l

Although it seems that MDH has since denied it (hence I removed it from my post)

SafeSurfer

alaimacerc wrote: »

This "greed" being manifest as... a presidency entirely in line scope and spending with previous ones?

I'd be entirely in favour of a cut in the presidential salary. The other budget items are more to do with what you want the office to do. Both are matters for the government, though. That one of the "big issues" has been a sort of Dutch auction on the expenditure... kinda proves there are no big issues.

Greed as in 45 years in the public trough to get your work done should be enough. It’s longer than an average career. To seek another 7 years of 317,000 annual unvouched expenses to do s job that no 83 year old would be paid to do smacks to me of pure greed. And for a socialist who is a landlord only to students and young workers, give me a break.

alaimacerc

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think it is greedy for a 77 year old with multiple pensions [...]

... which he's not drawing down at present, so how is this an issue? Technically that's saving money, as compared to paying him the full amount of those, and the salary to someone else! (OK, unless they forego it, as is supposedly all the rage to promise to do.)

who has been a highly paid politician for 45 years and who promised to not seek another term as president, to run again and look for another 7 years of living off the state, up to the age of 83.

Really over-egging what he said to characterise it as "promise". Do I hear "vow"? "Solemn oath"? I reckon stacks of bibles were likely involved -- only he was standing on 'em at the time. Short jokes FTW.

It’s greedy and not in the best interests of the country.

Country is able to make up its own mind on that, is the traditional thinking in a democratic election. And looking at the alternatives...

alaimacerc

SafeSurfer wrote: »

“With some precision” geez you sound like a Sean Gallagher supporter.

Now them's fighting words!

If you can’t or won’t grasp my point ie it is an unprecedented situation, (you can fact check this), I don’t know why you are so delighted with yourself.

Your framing of the precedents is ludicrous and contrived. I explained why -- twice. If you can't or won't grasp that...

SafeSurfer

alaimacerc wrote: »

... which he's not drawing down at present, so how is this an issue? Technically that's saving money, as compared to paying him the full amount of those, and the salary to someone else! (OK, unless they forego it, as is supposedly all the rage to promise to do.)


Really over-egging what he said to characterise it as "promise". Do I hear "vow"? "Solemn oath"? I reckon stacks of bibles were likely involved -- only he was standing on 'em at the time. Short jokes FTW.


Country is able to make up its own mind on that, is the traditional thinking in a democratic election. And looking at the alternatives...

Look, I am not trying to convince you. I think you are trying t convince yourself. Michael D by drawing his multiple pensions, can you prove that?
Prove that white is not drawing them as president they are not accumulating on his behalf?

You can convince yourself that he never promised not to seek a second term.

You can convince yourself of anything but you must lie to yourself to do so.

SafeSurfer

alaimacerc wrote: »

Now them's fighting words!



Your framing of the precedents is ludicrous and contrived. I explained why -- twice. If you can't or won't grasp that...

It is neither ludicrous nor contrived. It is an unprecedented situation which is my point.

goat2

goat2 wrote: »

Casey is no victim
He came out on top in this debate again
He just did a great job of letting the rest squabble among themselves, he just sat back and smiled,

Did we watch the same debate

Macdarack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did we watch the same debate

That's the way I saw it too boss, casey didn't harm himself at all tal.

Jackman25

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

"we in the media". Says it all.

https://twitter.com/philipoconnor/status/1054838781382193152

If he does nothing else, Peter Casey is certainly pissing off some 33-carat knobs.
As you say - The "we in the media" comment as you say, says it all.

Jackman25

Omackeral wrote: »

Again, just can't answer the simple question out straight. Typical really. Pathetic, in fact.

What did he say that was racist? Specifically.

Gone are the days when the likes of that lad could just shout racist and shut down any discussion thankfully.

You can see the confusion now when he comes on to a thread and declares racist and people are asking him to explain.
The likes of these are becoming more irrelevant by the day and bhoy do they not like it.

Macdarack

Macdarack wrote: »

That's the way I saw it too boss, casey didn't harm himself at all tal.

Half the time he couldn't string a sentence together without studdering. He couldn't explain what benefits travelers get by being an ethnic minority when pressed.

Jackman25

Deleted User wrote: »

Half the time he couldn't string a sentence together without studdering. He couldn't explain what benefits travelers get by being an ethnic minority when pressed.

IF there is no benefit to it, why did they bother with it so?

MrMusician18

Deleted User wrote: »

Half the time he couldn't string a sentence together without studdering. He couldn't explain what benefits travelers get by being an ethnic minority when pressed.

I thought he said they felt entitled to demand stables due to their status

Was gonna vote for Casey last week but he’s not impressing me now . He’s inarticulate. Can you imagine him on the world stage representing us?

Also he’s a bit like a rich bored kid spouting off but with nothing of substance and nothing to back up his rants .

He doesn’t pay one single cent of tax in Ireland and yet is against the welfare system here ? So does he want the American system where there is no disability, no job seekers , no pension , its every man for himself and a hugely capitalist society . If you’re poor your f##ked .

He doesn’t live here , all his kids are in American universities . Very easy for bored multi millionaire to decide he’ll run for Irish President ( on the basis of what he saw Trump doing ).

He impressed me last week but he peaked too soon , there’s been too much time to see it’s all bluff and bluster and he trips over his words when question.

I’m back to Michael D for no 1 .

Jackman25

Jackman25 wrote: »

IF there is no benefit to it, why did they bother with it so?

That's a good question. I'd like to know the answer too. Peter Casey didn't know.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I thought he said they felt entitled to demand stables due to their status

There's no mention of it being related to the ethnic minority status.

weldoninhio

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was gonna vote for Casey last week but he’s not impressing me now . He’s inarticulate. Can you imagine him on the world stage representing us?

Also he’s a bit like a rich bored kid spouting off but with nothing of substance and nothing to back up his rants .

He doesn’t pay one single cent of tax in Ireland and yet is against the welfare system here ? So does he want the American system where there is no disability, no job seekers , no pension , its every man for himself and a hugely capitalist society . If you’re poor your f##ked .

He doesn’t live here , all his kids are in American universities . Very easy for bored multi millionaire to decide he’ll run for Irish President ( on the basis of what he saw Trump doing ).

He impressed me last week but he peaked too soon , there’s been too much time to see it’s all bluff and bluster and he trips over his words when question.

I’m back to Michael D for no 1 .

So much waffle. Of course you were gonna vote for him last week, pull the other one!!

His company is fully tax compliant in Ireland and pays a lot more than 1c in Ireland. He lives in Ireland and is in the process of getting rid of his green card, which is a complex procedure and should have that sorted by next week and will then be paying all of his taxes in Ireland.

No idea what his daughter being in college in another country has to do with anything?

For someone who was a supporter last week, you didn’t really listen to what he said last night.

Wheeliebin30

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was gonna vote for Casey last week but he’s not impressing me now . He’s inarticulate. Can you imagine him on the world stage representing us?

Also he’s a bit like a rich bored kid spouting off but with nothing of substance and nothing to back up his rants .

He doesn’t pay one single cent of tax in Ireland and yet is against the welfare system here ? So does he want the American system where there is no disability, no job seekers , no pension , its every man for himself and a hugely capitalist society . If you’re poor your f##ked .

He doesn’t live here , all his kids are in American universities . Very easy for bored multi millionaire to decide he’ll run for Irish President ( on the basis of what he saw Trump doing ).

He impressed me last week but he peaked too soon , there’s been too much time to see it’s all bluff and bluster and he trips over his words when question.

I’m back to Michael D for no 1 .

He does pay tax in Ireland.

Jesus do people actually listen or do they be on their phones half listening then just go with polls on deciding to vote for things?

MrMusician18

Deleted User wrote: »

Was gonna vote for Casey last week but he’s not impressing me now . He’s inarticulate. Can you imagine him on the world stage representing us?

Also he’s a bit like a rich bored kid spouting off but with nothing of substance and nothing to back up his rants .

He doesn’t pay one single cent of tax in Ireland and yet is against the welfare system here ? So does he want the American system where there is no disability, no job seekers , no pension , its every man for himself and a hugely capitalist society . If you’re poor your f##ked .

He doesn’t live here , all his kids are in American universities . Very easy for bored multi millionaire to decide he’ll run for President .

He impressed me last week but he peaked too soon , there’s been too much time to see it’s all bluff and bluster and he trips over his words when question.

I’m back to Michael D for no 1 .

In terms of his campaign, I'd disagree that he peakedd too soon. His was floundering and needed to change the conversation last week. What he's failed to do was move on to something as a follow up, what he's tried has failed to get traction, partially as there are few things to get people going than talking about traveller behaviour. You also feel that the broadcasters have cottoned on to his tactics now and are changing the conversation away from the touchstone topics.

But you're right, he's a poor public speaker and unlike many others here, I acknowledge that he didn't do well last night

freshpopcorn

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

He does pay tax in Ireland.

Jesus do people actually listen or do they be on their phones half listening then just go with polls on deciding to vote for things?

If Michael did something right they'd hear it, it he did something wrong it wouldn't be heard.

McMurphy

Still no official opinion polls since the 16th?

Guess Casey has rattled the establishment, and them polls ain't going in the direction they want them to.

He's still no1 on my list. No way do I want to see Higgins pontificating his bullsh1t for another 7 years. Man has almost disappeared up his own backside.

weldoninhio

freshpopcorn wrote: »

If Michael did something right they'd hear it, it he did something wrong it wouldn't be heard.

Outrageous comment. Michael D Moneybags never does anything wrong!! It’s always his staffs fault!!