Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

Omackeral

gmisk wrote: »

I know big Liam Neeson (him and my dad are mates) and that aint no Ballymena accent anymore lol.

Imagine a movie with Liam Neeson going around camp sites bashing a load of scumbags cos they nicked all his possessions. They could call it (My Stuff Was) Taken

gmisk

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Disappoint a girl why don't you lol!!!!!!

Ha sorry about that
Nice fella though even if his accent is a tad mid atlantic

Bannasidhe

Gravelly wrote: »

Not being rude, simply stating fact. Any normal person would consider it idiotic to equate travellers demanding stables and fields, with disabled people requiring ramps and wider doors.

Using terms like "simpleton" is rude.

You said Travellers have the right to specialised housing and non-Travellers don't.

That is not true.

Other minority groups are deemed eligible for specialised housing. That is a simple fact.

I didn't make the rules.
I didn't decide the criteria.

I just pointed out that Non-Travellers are entitled to specialised housing which you claimed they weren't.

I knew a woman who lived in a fully kitted out council house due to her disability. Her disability was the result of her being grossly overweight as she took to the bed in her 30s (by her own admission) and basically stayed there for the next 40 years. She had the works.
She wasn't a Traveller.
Was she 'entitled'?
She certainly physically needed the supports (muscle wastage/brittle bones etc due to lack of exercise)- but did she need the 4 bedroom house so her adult children had somewhere to live minding Mammy?
A home help while her adult children were at work?

Some people milk the system.

It's not confined to Travellers nor do all Travellers milk the system.
A friend of mine is a Traveller. She is also the college educated senior buyer for a large Dublin dept store.

Up the road from me are a family who keep horses on waste ground behind their council house (which they bought a few years ago for a knock down price). They have sectioned off an area for their person use. Horse boxes and jeeps all over the place. Rumoured to be involved in dog fighting. Known to the local Guards. Constantly causing fights. They are NOT Travellers.

KrustyUCC

Gravelly wrote: »

Another point on "traveller specific" housing. The real cost is often hidden - I know of one development where the travellers demanded a field for their horses before moving in to their new free houses. The local authority bought a large greenfield site next door to the traveller development, pretended they bought it to build social housing, and instead have left it as a field for the travellers horses.

definitely no special treatment there

Gravelly

Omackeral wrote: »

Imagine a movie with Liam Neeson going around camp sites bashing a load of scumbags cos they nicked all his possessions. They could call it (My Stuff Was) Taken

NEESON: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

TRAVELLER: Have ya seen me little dog boss? I saw him runnin in here an I'm just lookin fer him like

The car chases would all be Toyota Avenis' and Transit vans.

Gravelly

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Using terms like "simpleton" is rude.

You said Travellers have the right to specialised housing and non-Travellers don't.

That is not true.

Other minority groups are deemed eligible for specialised housing. That is a simple fact.

I didn't make the rules.
I didn't decide the criteria.

I just pointed out that Non-Travellers are entitled to specialised housing which you claimed they weren't.

I knew a woman who lived in a fully kitted out council house due to her disability. Her disability was the result of her being grossly overweight as she took to the bed in her 30s (by her own admission) and basically stayed there for the next 40 years. She had the works.
She wasn't a Traveller.
Was she 'entitled'?
She certainly physically needed the supports (muscle wastage/brittle bones etc due to lack of exercise)- but did she need the 4 bedroom house so her adult children had somewhere to live minding Mammy?
A home help while her adult children were at work?

Some people milk the system.

It's not confined to Travellers nor do all Travellers milk the system.
A friend of mine is a Traveller. She is also the college educated senior buyer for a large Dublin dept store.

Up the road from me are a family who keep horses on waste ground behind their council house (which they bought a few years ago for a knock down price). They have sectioned off an area for their person use. Horse boxes and jeeps all over the place. Rumoured to be involved in dog fighting. Known to the local Guards. Constantly causing fights. They are NOT Travellers.

Cool story bro.

Again, for the third time.

You are equating the needs of the disabled, with the demands of travellers. Sorry, but that is just stupid, there really isn't any other way to describe it.

FrancieBrady

gmisk wrote: »

I do think it would show that a lot of people think he has a point or at least a degree of a point when it comes to some travellers (there lack of tax contributions and reliance on welfare), and long term people on the dole who dont need to be.


Why else would they be voting for him? what other reason would there be for the jump? its not as if he would dazzle anyone watching the debates!

I am voting for Michael D btw, but it doesnt mean I disagree totally with everything Casey has said.

I have said from the start that I believe there are many issues within the traveller community.

That isn't the point I have been making though, the point is that it is extremely dangerous that anyone in public be given support because they incited hate.

And much as people say otherwise, Casey has given oxygen to a percentile of hate mongers here, nothing more. People who are not interested in any facts or reasonable debate.
And the vote will reflect that It will not reflect what it should be reflecting, who is best suited to be President Of Ireland or who is best qualified. I think 70% have decided who that is.
That our general elections do not reflect the views held here, that we continue to elect those who allow abuses of the systems of government says a lot about the laziness of those Casey gave oxygen to. They just want to be allowed to rant.

In many ways it is a sad and regressive election for Ireland.

tayto lover

Any poll results out today?
Something stinks if there's not.

Spanish Eyes

tayto lover wrote: »

Any poll results out today?
Something stinks if there's not.

Seems that the only poll now will be the exit poll at 10pm tomorrow night.

Gravelly

tayto lover wrote: »

Any poll results out today?
Something stinks if there's not.

None apparently. You'd nearly think the media didn't want people knowing their preferred candidate wasn't the dead cert they'd claimed he was.

Auguste Comte

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Heres a question I have. I looked up halting sites in Dublin and the list seems to be the most deprived areas. Isn’t this unfair on both groups? If travellers are discriminated against and deprived, but can live anywhere in the city where a site is made available, why aren’t the halting sites built in rich areas? This would eliminate a lot of deprivation at least outside the halting site itself. Also the rich and upper middle classes have money and time to spend - and could volunteer to help with some issues the travellers face (in lieu perhaps of that trip to Africa in 4th year to build houses).

Anybody understand this? Is it an oversight? A mistake?

Halting sites are not all in "deprived areas". There is a halting site 10 minutes walk from where I live and I don't think anyone would describe the area as deprived. I just looked up daft and the nearest houses to the site are asking 600k one of which is directly across the road from it.

I've never heard of trouble from the site or the people living there. That's just my experience.

Plumbthedepths

What have I learned from this thread? Either some people have way to much time on their hands or are paid to post here. Sad either ways.

Try_harder

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Seems that the only poll now will be the exit poll at 10pm tomorrow night.

They cannot post opinion polls now til voting closes

jimgoose

Gravelly wrote: »

None apparently. You'd nearly think the media didn't want people knowing their preferred candidate wasn't the dead cert they'd claimed he was.

Or, you could nearly think there was a media blackout regarding the presidential election from 2pm today.

Gravelly

jimgoose wrote: »

Or, you could nearly think there was a media blackout regarding the presidential election from 2pm today.

Most papers were out long before 2pm, RTE starts broadcasting long before 2pm, and yesterday was before 2pm today as well!

McMurphy

jimgoose wrote: »

Or, you could nearly think there was a media blackout regarding the presidential election from 2pm today.

No new polling data since 16th Oct being the point.

Quite a.change from previous data elections. 2011 had 2 in the week of the election alone.

Idbatterim

Varadkar and the thought police. Fg will never get another vote from me as long as he is Taoiseach , likewise with a few of my family and friends !

Omackeral

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That isn't the point I have been making though, the point is that it is extremely dangerous that anyone in public be given support because they incited hate.

Original quote from Peter Casey
Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.

Such hatred he incites. Lock him up.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have said from the start that I believe there are many issues within the traveller community.

That isn't the point I have been making though, the point is that it is extremely dangerous that anyone in public be given support because they incited hate.

And much as people say otherwise, Casey has given oxygen to a percentile of hate mongers here, nothing more. People who are not interested in any facts or reasonable debate.
And the vote will reflect that It will not reflect what it should be reflecting, who is best suited to be President Of Ireland or who is best qualified. I think 70% have decided who that is.
That our general elections do not reflect the views held here, that we continue to elect those who allow abuses of the systems of government says a lot about the laziness of those Casey gave oxygen to. They just want to be allowed to rant.

In many ways it is a sad and regressive election for Ireland.

Good man Francie. Keep deflecting.
If Casey polls high then it is not a reflection of racism at all.
It is a reflection on the powers that be, the lack of law enforcement and the looney left refusing to see what is happening before their eyes I.e. The high rates of Traveller crime and the sense of entitlement of the bone idle.

But continue to blame the people who think Travellers should be treated the same as everyone else. Is ethnic status a carte blanch permit to travel the length and breadth of the country taking what you want from whoever you want.
Intimidation, threats and violence seems to be the way of life for a very high percentage of them, obviously not all but I don't read reports of many Travellers spilling the beans on other Travellers. Maybe you could supply details of incidents where this has occurred?
Maybe the Gubbermint is robbin dem and owes dem.

omega man

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

No new polling data since 16th Oct being the point.

Quite a.change from previous data elections. 2011 had 2 in the week of the election alone.

It stinks. I’m not the conspiracy theory type but it seems out of place not to have an official poll within a week of a presidential election.

FrancieBrady

jimgoose wrote: »

Or, you could nearly think there was a media blackout regarding the presidential election from 2pm today.

No, that is wrong again. It is a 'broadcasting' moratorium and it is covered by guidelines not rules.

There are no restrictions on other media.

This has happened for many years not just when somebody says something controversial. So difficult to prove it is part of a conspiracy of silence. :rolleyes:

knipex

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That isn't the point I have been making though, the point is that it is extremely dangerous that anyone in public be given support because they incited hate.

Can you please quote where he incited hatred ?

I have heard multiple people claim this but never have I head them support the claim.

FrancieBrady

Omackeral wrote: »

Such hatred he incites. Lock him up.

Shall we review this thread as as a sample of the hate he incited? What do you think we will find?

Plumbthedepths

I wonder who will break the 1000 post count on this thread? Any contenders?

Omackeral

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I can deal with your 7 trillion posts. I can deal with you stretching the truth about inciting hatred. I can deal with the fact you've probably got a Michael D Higgins poster on your bedroom wall. What I can't abide though is the use of that fcuking little smug bastard of a roll eyes icon. He's the one we should all be rallying against. God he's a wanker of the highest order.

Hulk Hands

Gravelly wrote: »

None apparently. You'd nearly think the media didn't want people knowing their preferred candidate wasn't the dead cert they'd claimed he was.

How does that make sense? People are less like to vote if they think he's a dead cert, so why would that be adventagous for their preferred candidate?

Gravelly

When was the most recent mainstream media poll? There was one 4 days before the 2011 election.

Omackeral

knipex wrote: »

Can you please quote where he incited hatred ?

No he can't and he never will. He'll tell you to ''look it up''. Or as dav3 ignorantly says, check my posts. These fellas like to spout rhetoric but will never ever back it up when asked. They'll level accusations to beat the band but when you ask them simply for a quote, it doesn't happen.

ThunbergsAreGo

Gravelly wrote: »

None apparently. You'd nearly think the media didn't want people knowing their preferred candidate wasn't the dead cert they'd claimed he was.

Not updating the polls is more likely to work against Higgins, not for him

Gravelly

naughtb4 wrote: »

Not updating the polls is more likely to work against Higgins, not for him

Why?