Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

FrancieBrady

wexie wrote: »

And it would of course be entirely impossible to be pro choice, supportive of gay marriage and still think that there's a massive problem with the traveler culture in this country? That's just not possible is it?

Supporting a completely backwards, outdated and harmful culture is now considered progressive?!

The problem for Casey and his new found acolytes is that almost everyone recognises that there is a problem with traveller culture and welfare etc.

It is 'will they respond to incitement to hate and exploitation of these specific issues' in a presidential election is what remains to be seen.
Part of whatever vote Casey gets will come from a cohort who have woken up and realised that if they get off their backsides their vote might have an effect.
It will be convincing them to do it when it matters that will be the big job.
I am not really seeing that tbh. There seems to be a belief here that a vote for Casey means 'change must come'. Disappointment incoming I'm afraid.

Omackeral

Technocentral wrote: »

Where did I say it was? Read my posts, I said saying ALL members of a community are bad is wrong thats all, simple. I hate low lifes and scumbags as much as anyone on here.

You called Peter Casey a ''toe-rag'', presumably because you think he said ALL travellers are scum. He didn't utter any of the above. He called for equality across the board when quizzed on them. Equality. You're just spouting cliched soundbytes and embarrassing yourself.

nullzero

wexie wrote: »

And it would of course be entirely impossible to be pro choice, supportive of gay marriage and still think that there's a massive problem with the traveler culture in this country? That's just not possible is it?

Supporting a completely backwards, outdated and harmful culture is now considered progressive?!

How many Travellers are even interested in progressive ideology?
I used to feel travellers got an unfair time of it until I had to interact with them in work.
Members of my family tut when I describe the truth about travellers even though they know what I've been through with being assaulted by them and harassment and threats I've put up with.
Travellers know well that people are afraid of them and they play on it. They are bullies and like all bullies they feign victimhood to distract from their own actions.
How many do gooders here have had to deal with them and how many would live beside them?

wexie

Technocentral wrote: »

Where did I say it was? Read my posts, I said saying ALL members of a community are bad is wrong thats all, simple. I hate low lifes and scumbags as much as anyone on here.

Well I've seen very few people actually say that, and if so probably in anger and frustration.

People just want the conversation about the lowlifes and scumbags brought out in the open and to start looking for constructive solutions rather than having to hear 'ah it's really not that bad' and having stuff swept under the rug time and time again.

Because there is clearly a problem and it's clearly not being addressed. And while PC clearly won't be able to change much in this regard, even if he does get elected, perhaps this might be the start of an open and honest conversation that might lead to some form of solution.

Gravelly

Omackeral wrote: »

It's mad isn't it. I've been called a liberal snowflake and an alt-right nazi in the same thread before!

The problem is the modern interpretation of liberalism.

When I was in my 20's, I would have been most closely aligned politically with Labour - I shared (and still do) the view that we should all pull together, and a strong working class was essential for a strong country.

My views have changed little in the meantime, but now Labour see the working class, especially the white working class, as the scum of the earth, and the family as something to be destroyed.

Modern liberalism is utterly illiberal. It supports perversion, criminality, and anarchy, as long as the perpetrators can claim some kind of minority status. It has lost the run of itself.

Jackman25

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

Its funny, that for all the whining you and your liberal ilk do about generalisations of groups of people, you tend to love a bit of generalisation themselves.
In your eyes the people that support Casey are racist, pro-abortion, homophobic, Trump-supporting, Catholic Church lovers etc.
Matt Cooper gave the perfect example of it in the debate the other night when he suggested to Casey that obviously he would be for the deportation of Eric Zhi Ying Xue.

Omackeral

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'will they respond to incitement to hate'

Again, for the umpteenth time;

''Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.''

-Peter Casey

wexie

nullzero wrote: »

How many Travellers are even interested in progressive ideology?

Fewer than can spell ideology

Technocentral

Omackeral wrote: »

Technocentral wrote: »

Where did I say it was? Read my posts, I said saying ALL members of a community are bad is wrong thats all, simple. I hate low lifes and scumbags as much as anyone on here.

You called Peter Casey a ''toe-rag'', presumably because you think he said ALL travellers are scum. He didn't utter any of the above. He called for equality across the board when quizzed on them. Equality. You're just spouting cliched soundbytes and embarrassing yourself.

I am zero embarrassed: "Travellers are basically people camping in other people’s land” Peter Casey. Enuff said.

nullzero

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

Don you suggest that giving a group of Irish people on the fringes of society separate ethnic status and thus pushing them further away from the mass of the Irish population is the solution to the issues of integration the traveller community faces?

Should we issue them with badges to denote their "difference"?
The modern left is so far removed from the socialist values I espoused in my youth its now essentially unrecognisable. Modern "progressive" ideology just appears to be devoid of any logic whatsoever.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Technocentral wrote: »

I am zero embarrassed: "Travellers are basically people camping in other people’s land” Peter Casey. Enuff said.

What’s untrue about that? We had to call the Gardai and rspca when travellers opened one of our fields, and put their horses onto our land. They had no access to water, but sure why would that stop them?

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You just lying now Francie. A tweet from a fake Sinn Fein account was read out live st the debate which was completely untrue. Just like your last post.

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Francie lied. He said there was no untruth. There was. It undermines the credibility of everything he says if he stands over that lie.

MDH was elected as the result of one lie and will be re elected as the result of another.

No wonder Casey can fool people.

There was NO untruth told about Gallagher either by the bogus tweet or by RTE.

The tweet simply said that 'Sinn Fein were going to produce the man Gallagher was supposed to have collected money off the next day'.

Gallagher then implicated himself saying he may have collected a cheques or envelope from that man.

RTE apologised and paid Gallagher 130,000 of our money for not checking the twitter account to see if it was genuine or not.

Omackeral

Jackman25 wrote: »

In your eyes the people that support Casey are racist

I abhor racists and racism and a look through my posts will show the same.

Jackman25 wrote: »

pro-abortion

I voted for choice for our sisters,mothers and friends. Not necessarily pro abortion.

Jackman25 wrote: »

homophobic

Despise homophobia. Have a gay brother, voted for SSM

Jackman25 wrote: »

Trump-supporting

Couldn't give a shiny sh*te about Trump.

Jackman25 wrote: »

Catholic Church lovers etc.

All religion can fcuk off as far as I'm concerned.

So your point is pretty valid there Jack. A lot of these jabronis love throwing racist and bigot tags around when you have the audacity to disagree with their viewpoints even though you're realistically as liberal as can be when it comes to crunch time.

FrancieBrady

Omackeral wrote: »

Again, for the umpteenth time;

''Everyone should be treated equally and the State should not discriminate against anybody.''

-Peter Casey

And 'travellers are basically people who camp on other people's land'.

Everyone is equal in this state, a democracy. Nobody has extra rights. Numerous people have extra entitlements including travellers.

His entire spiel was based on generalisation and factually incorrect detail. IMO he said it to incite the reaction we see on here and to mobilise those who are so easily incited to vote for him.

He is the only candidate caught lying in numerous ways during this campaign.

wexie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The problem for Casey and his new found acolytes is that almost everyone recognises that there is a problem with traveller culture and welfare etc.

Yeah but ya know what Francie? People don't want it just recognized, people want something done about it and that's not happening.

Look at the outrage these past few weeks because a would be politician uttered a few sentences that 'may' have been somewhat of a generalisation (if it was it had more than a little truth to it, which even you can't deny).

Jackman25

Omackeral wrote: »

I abhor racists and racism and a look through my posts will show the same.



I voted for choice for our sisters,mothers and friends. Not necessarily pro abortion.



Despise homophobia. Have a gay brother, voted for SSM



Couldn't give a shiny sh*te about Trump.



All religion can fcuk off as far as I'm concerned.

So your point is pretty valid there Jack. A lot of these jabronis love throwing racist and bigot tags around when you have the audacity to disagree with their viewpoints even though you're realistically as liberal as can be when it comes to crunch time.

Careful. You will break their minds --- Does not compute, does not compute.

jmayo

ectoraige wrote: »

The problem isn't travellers being recognised as an ethnic group. The problem is our society failing to adequately address the many problems our society has.

Recidivism is not restricted to the traveller community, there are repeat offenders and career criminals outside the traveller community too, and as a society we should be doing more to address this. Little is being truly done to limit the revolving doors in our courts.
...

True recidivism is not dealt with in Ireland, but that does not take away from fact that travellers account for a disproportionate amount of prisoners which should be a major concern and is not being addressed by travellers or their supporters.
In fact you above are basically saying that it is societies fault.

ectoraige wrote: »

Recognising travellers as a distinct ethnic group does not grant immunity to laws, and does not prevent the application of progressive social policies to make Ireland a better place in which to live.

True, they had immunity from laws long before they were granted their special status.
They are immune from laws on pollution, littering, child school attendance, motoring to name a few.

EDIT: forgot animal cruelty as another law that never seems to be applied to them.

Technocentral wrote: »

Also after the recent referendum wins the rest of the civilised World looks to Ireland for decency and compassion, that toe rag is NOT the sort of person to represent the new Ireland.

AH FFS, maybe when you travel a bit you might learn the World out there doesn't give two shytes about a little country on the periphery of Europe.

The only ones that know much about Ireland are the Irish diaspora, who BTW Casey actually wants to attract to this country to improve their knowledge of the place and people, and maybe some ones in a LGBT organisation who now know of us for being one of the first countries to vote for SSM.
Apart from that most people haven't a fooking clue.

FFS some people in our nearest neighbour think Dublin is in the bleedin UK. :rolleyes:

naughtb4 wrote: »

Why does giving advance notice matter?

There were 4 (?) televised debates, missed 50% of them

What about the radio ones ?

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

So if I voted with the Progressives in the recent referendums and for Casey this time what does that make me ?
I suppose anything that isn't the same as you would be a start.

Omackeral wrote: »

I voted for SSM and to Repeal the 8th but am voting Casey. Where does that put me on your scale of absolutes?

You are now a racist.

Welcome to the club, we will forward on the robes and flags over the coming weeks.

ThunbergsAreGo

Technocentral wrote: »

Look at the stats in recent refs. my friend, Progressives: 1, Sad Angry Losers: 0.

This is why I will vote Casey

Having an opinion that does not chime with the "progressive one" is wrong. I voted on the "progressive side" in the last SSM and 8th Refs. I make decisions based on the issue/item at hand and not what "side" I fall on

c.p.w.g.w

wexie wrote: »

Yeah but ya know what Francie? People don't want it just recognized, people want something done about it and that's not happening.

Look at the outrage these past few weeks because a would be politician uttered a few sentences that 'may' have been somewhat of a generalisation (if it was it had more than a little truth to it, which even you can't deny).

On the way from Limerick to Shannon who have/had two lots illegally camped for the past number of months. Behind tesco near coonagh and off the roundabout at the Radisson.

Also in Ennis, off the link road another illegally settlement.

That's three that I had seen in the space of a week while out on the bike. All illegally camped out

wexie

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

On the way from Limerick to Shannon who have/had two lots illegally camped for the past number of months. Behind tesco near coonagh and off the roundabout at the Radisson.

Also in Ennis, off the link road another illegally settlement.

That's three that I had seen in the space of a week while out on the bike. All illegally camped out

And what's the odds that some of those are also availing of social housing somewhere else?

But let's not talk about that either

DavidLyons_

Technocentral wrote: »

I am zero embarrassed: "Travellers are basically people camping in other people’s land” Peter Casey. Enuff said.

You’ve never actually met a traveler have you?

I voted yes in both the last two referendums and am voting Casey No. 1 today.

We’ll have to wait a while to make a statement regarding a very large portion of the population’s feelings towards giving a lawless, anti-social, misogynist, animal neglecting, elderly-folk-terrorising cohort of society a special status again.

....unless a good turnout for Peter Casey actually starts a conversation....

c.p.w.g.w

wexie wrote: »

And what's the odds that some of those are also availing of social housing somewhere else?

But let's not talk about that either

That I don't know and without any evidence can't comment. But if that is happening, then this country is in big trouble

FrancieBrady

wexie wrote: »

Yeah but ya know what Francie? People don't want it just recognized, people want something done about it and that's not happening.

Look at the outrage these past few weeks because a would be politician uttered a few sentences that 'may' have been somewhat of a generalisation (if it was it had more than a little truth to it, which even you can't deny).

Far as I can see, and I have said this before, the outrage is confined to where you would usually expect to see these rants, (want a popular thread on boards or on Facebook - make it about travellers).
An awful lot of people, who recognise the problems, who know they are complicated and deep rooted throughout society, are just embarrassed by this man and the type of shouty nonsense politics(based on lies, half truths and cheap generalisation) he wants to introduce.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No wonder Casey can fool people.

There was NO untruth told about Gallagher either by the bogus tweet or by RTE.

The tweet simply said that 'Sinn Fein were going to produce the man Gallagher was supposed to have collected money off the next day'.

Gallagher then implicated himself saying he may have collected a cheques or envelope from that man.

RTE apologised and paid Gallagher 130,000 of our money for not checking the twitter account to see if it was genuine or not.

You are still lying Francie.

Gallagher never received a cheque from Hugh Morgan.

Gravelly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Far as I can see, and I have said this before, the outrage is confined to where you would usually expect to see these rants, (want a popular thread on boards or on Facebook - make it about travellers).
An awful lot of people, who recognise the problems, who know they are complicated and deep rooted throughout society, are just embarrassed by this man and the type of shouty nonsense politics(based on lies, half truths and cheap generalisation) he wants to introduce.

So I presume you will retract the above and admit you were completely wrong if Casey gets a substantial vote today?

Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

nullzero

Evie Fit Tuna wrote: »

What’s untrue about that? We had to call the Gardai and rspca when travellers opened one of our fields, and put their horses onto our land. They had no access to water, but sure why would that stop them?

There's a location in West Dublin where they regularly leave horses tethered to a fence. I have called the dspca about it and they refused to enter the area because of the violence they have encountered,needless to say the horses generally end up as corpses tethered to a fence, but culture and heritage etc...

wexie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Far as I can see, and I have said this before, the outrage is confined to where you would usually expect to see these rants, (want a popular thread on boards or on Facebook - make it about travellers).
An awful lot of people, who recognise the problems, who know they are complicated and deep rooted throughout society, are just embarrassed by this man and the type of shouty nonsense politics(based on lies, half truths and cheap generalisation) he wants to introduce.

Oh not that outrage!! The outrage over what PC said, by the very same people that supposedly 'recognise' there is a problem with traveler culture and are hard at work (right) in the background to make things better for all of us :rolleyes:

SafeSurfer

Gravelly wrote: »

So I presume you will retract the above and admit you were completely wrong if Casey gets a substantial vote today?

Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.

Well he is already a liar so being a hypocrite wouldn’t bother him.

wexie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Far as I can see, and I have said this before, the outrage is confined to where you would usually expect to see these rants, (want a popular thread on boards or on Facebook - make it about travellers).
An awful lot of people, who recognise the problems, who know they are complicated and deep rooted throughout society, are just embarrassed by this man and the type of shouty nonsense politics(based on lies, half truths and cheap generalisation) he wants to introduce.

Oh not that outrage!! The outrage over what PC said, by the very same people that supposedly 'recognise' there is a problem with traveler culture and are hard at work (right) in the background to make things better for all of us :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You are still lying Francie.

Gallagher never received a cheque from Hugh Morgan.

That was never proved or disproved. And was not implied by the tweet. The tweet simply said that Sinn Fein would produce the man that M. McGuinness had said 'claimed' that Gallagher had taken a check from.

Gallagher - unsure of who he had taken cheques from - decided to implicate himself.

Gallagher DID NOT SUE because that story was a lie, he sued because RTE had made a mistake in not checking the Tweet and had been therefore unfair to him.

Nobody lied about Gallagher on the programme, the fact is Gallagher told the truth about himself. His campaign was over from that point.