Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

Idbatterim

valoren wrote: »

Re the tweet from Jennifer Maguire;

It's possible Casey replied "what's that?" but not in ignorance more so in mishearing her "what was that?/ What did you say?". But it's convenient now for an RTE stooge like her to manipulate, exploit and twist words to try and sully an outspoken guy.

My guess is that Casey telling obvious truths about travelers and seeing the response from it is just a start and he's perceived as a threat by a cosseted RTE. What next? He might be outspoken about the shambles RTE is.

Best to lay into him now and label him racist etc to discredit him and keep the show going. Sully the messenger, sully the message.

He already called RTÉ a joke on RTÉ in one of the last presidential debates ... how much of a vote winner do you guys think RTÉ license fee abolition would be and make it a subscription service or they rely on advertising and sponsorship income to fund their services only...

demanufactured

BattleCorp wrote: »

The Gardai have batons, don't they?

Go in swinging.

I agree, problem is more of these scrotes would turn up with slash hooks etc, and the guards would probabaly end up done for assaulting Mr travveller.

demanufactured

BattleCorp wrote: »

The Gardai have batons, don't they?

Go in swinging.

I agree, problem is more of these scrotes would turn up with slash hooks etc, and the guards would probabaly end up done for assaulting Mr travveller.

tayto lover

valoren wrote: »

Re the tweet from Jennifer Maguire;

It's possible Casey replied "what's that?" but not in ignorance more so in mishearing her "what was that?/ What did you say?". But it's convenient now for an RTE stooge like her to manipulate, exploit and twist words to try and sully an outspoken guy.

My guess is that Casey telling obvious truths about travelers and seeing the response from it is just a start and he's perceived as a threat by a cosseted RTE. What next? He might be outspoken about the shambles RTE is.

Best to lay into him now and label him racist etc to discredit him and keep the show going. Sully the messenger, sully the message. The guy is a millionaire. That affords him freedom to speak out and that is a danger to sacred cows.

RTE like this thread just keeps on giving.

Seathrun66

Rennaws wrote: »

Yeah whatever..

You're like a dying wasp desperately trying to land a final sting..

Our "government" don't even know what they are..

The mere mention of FG and FF sharing power would have been completely unheard of less then a decade ago..

And look at them now, all loved up in their thirst for power..

As I said, we don't have a functioning democracy or government..

Can I read it that a functioning democracy is one where you’re happy with the result?

Ireland’s political PR system far more democratic than say the FPTP in the UK. Our constitutional democracy also streets ahead of the constitutional monarchy in the UK.

Study the system and run for office rather than mouth off factual inaccuracies.

professore

AlphabetCards wrote: »

You can bet on it. Straight from the Bannon playbook. Ireland has a void in the hierarchy for people expressing these sentiments, I'm gonna say he will get 20% in the polls if he carries on like this.

Good estimate!

gctest50

valoren wrote: »

Re the tweet from Jennifer Maguire;

It's possible Casey replied "what's that?" but not in ignorance more so in mishearing her "what was that?/ What did you say?". But it's convenient now for an RTE stooge like her to manipulate, exploit and twist words to try and sully an outspoken guy.

My guess is that Casey telling obvious truths about travelers and seeing the response from it is just a start and he's perceived as a threat by a cosseted RTE. What next? He might be outspoken about the shambles RTE is.

Best to lay into him now and label him racist etc to discredit him and keep the show going. Sully the messenger, sully the message. The guy is a millionaire. That affords him freedom to speak out and that is a danger to sacred cows.

cos rte is a bit suss at the best of times :


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Bunny finally left RTÉ in 1984.

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Idbatterim

listermint wrote: »

Do you even know our parties ? FG and FF have always been two sides of slapped arse.

Few popular things mixed in with center or right of centre policies

You actually think we have a radical left government?


This is quality comedy . I'd love to see you on stage

We have an outrageous welfare state and fifty percent marginal tax rate over a very low income ... I’d call it left leaning government. Large public service , unsackable public and civil servants. What would you call it?!

NasserShammaz

tonycascarino wrote: »

''You would know all about it if I lost control,'' says Ryan the tough man who the wind would blow away like a piece of paper.

He really is pitiful, the poster boy for weak spineless middle class ill informed pseudo intellectual over indulged RTE Lushes and all achieved through nepotism not talent. Christ on a rope him, Marianne and that other bint on saturday the one who never shows up, Arghhhh Joe Duffy I nearly forgot FFS

The Talking Bread

If I was an alien and dropped down from Mars and read the title of this thread.

My first question............. "What factors make travellers TODAY an ethnic minority"

Both serious and humorous replies welcomed.........

NasserShammaz

Miriam I mean

Seathrun66

Idbatterim wrote: »

We have an outrageous welfare state and fifty percent marginal tax rate over a very low income ... I’d call it left leaning government. Large public service , unsackable public and civil servants. What would you call it?!

Centre-right. As per the ethos of the two involved parties.

Noveight

The Talking Bread wrote: »

My first question............. "What factors make travellers TODAY an ethnic minority"

Both serious and humorous replies welcomed.........

Because we’ve got this piece of paper that says so.

That’s about it.

shady acres

valoren wrote: »

Re the tweet from Jennifer Maguire;

It's possible Casey replied "what's that?" but not in ignorance more so in mishearing her "what was that?/ What did you say?". But it's convenient now for an RTE stooge like her to manipulate, exploit and twist words to try and sully an outspoken guy.

My guess is that Casey telling obvious truths about travelers and seeing the response from it is just a start and he's perceived as a threat by a cosseted RTE. What next? He might be outspoken about the shambles RTE is.

Best to lay into him now and label him racist etc to discredit him and keep the show going. Sully the messenger, sully the message. The guy is a millionaire. That affords him freedom to speak out and that is a danger to sacred cows.

that makes sense
a dirty trick

professore

listermint wrote: »

Made feel like a pariah for working ?

By who?


Do your neighbours , your friends make you feel like a pariah ?

There is no conservative government left in the UK. A conservative government wouldnt go for the national nonsensical rethoric that they are pulling and remove market access. That is not conservative that is right wing thinking.

It simply doesn't allign with what conservative means.

And people trying to rewrite what the lines of liberal are , are wrong.

There's a reason there's a constant pressure to label centerist governments as liberal left because it suits the far right to put distance to centerist policies . And no centerist policies do not include making you a pariah for working.

A government that gives the likes of Margaret Cash €50k tax free in benefits and free heqlthcare for having 7 kids. And a free house down the road. Something the vast majority of working families could only dream about. And yet they are supposed to feel sorry for her???

That's extreme left socialism.

I have no problem feeling sorry for her kids. Not for the likes of her though.

shady acres

tonycascarino wrote: »

''You would know all about it if I lost control,'' says Ryan the tough man who the wind would blow away like a piece of paper.

that just made it more hilarious
peter is known for getting up at 5am and working out every morning
tubridy looks like he never ate a right dinner in his life

shady acres

tayto lover wrote: »

RTE like this thread just keeps on giving.

we're going to need a bigger thread, with stables

Roger Hassenforder

He can add a few items to his manifesto:

Shut down RTE

I'd vote for that

youtube!

No one answered my question so I will ask again, is it true or false that travelers get extra payment on the social because of their "ethnic" status?

Thank you !

NasserShammaz

shady acres wrote: »

we're going to need a bigger thread, with stables

Ah now , Stop it messin

MFPM

tretorn wrote: »

Casey didnt make attacks on anyone.

He said he couldnt understand why travellers got ethnic status and can you reply to the question I put previously.

What is there about their culture that is deserving of ethnic status, why is it being proposed that my children should learn about their culture in school. How would you fill even one lesson time if after hundreds of posts here no one can explain what traveller culture is.

The rest of your post is just nonsense and its people like you are the major stumbling block in the State not enforcing the right of traveller children to a decent lifestyle beginning with their right to education being enforced without exception even if that means a Garda escort to school in the morning.

Keep on keeping on the way you are going and in twenty years time the current travellers infants will mostly still be uneducated and therefore unemployable and untrustworthy. The girls will still be taken out of school at sixteen and married off because their parents have ensured they have no escape route because they have been denied an education, the resistance to education is probably mostly coming from male travellers because how can they exert their dominance through their fists if their wives and daughters have economic independence and arent pregnant every nine months from age sixteen.

ETA, people voted for Casey for one reason and one reason only and that was to do with real concerns about travellers.

If you look at the pattern of voting Caseys main support came from areas where travellers are present in large numbers, things have never been worse between travellers and people who abide for the most part rules in civi society and for the most part dont cause problems for their neighbours.

Its time now to stop Government funding of Pavee Point, its serving no purpose, for the love of God wouldnt you think someone from that outfit would acknowledge that the travellers are responsible for Peter Caseys success and no point in deflecting the elephant in the room by shouting racism. Own up to the effects members of your community are having on rural Ireland for the love of God.

Casey didnt make attacks on anyone.

He's entitled to question the issue of ethnicity if he wishes, quite what that has to do with the Presidency is beyond me. However he went on to make attacks on Travellers about camping on other people's land - why make no attack on government policy on halting sites, why not make attacks on government cuts to Travellers education programmes? Having finished with Travllers he went on to attack people on welfare - social welfare mind you not a word about corporate welfare.

He said he couldnt understand why travellers got ethnic status and can you reply to the question I put previously.

I've just dealt with that. What question?

What is there about their culture that is deserving of ethnic status, why is it being proposed that my children should learn about their culture in school.

What's wrong with learning about culture? Societies are made up of a melting pot of people and cultures, why would you be opposed to your children learning about them?

The rest of your post is just nonsense and its people like you are the major stumbling block in the State not enforcing the right of traveller children to a decent lifestyle beginning with their right to education being enforced without exception even if that means a Garda escort to school in the morning.

Ah the old 'your post is rubbish' - classic cowardly tactic. Traveller children completing primary education is pretty much similar to the settled community so there isn't an inherent anti education ethos as you seem to imply. There figures at secondary level are lower but improving as it is at third level.However the idea that you send cops in to drag kids from their bed to a school is perverts and fascistic in tone. Lastly you know nothing about me so might I suggest you don't make assertions based on your own ignorance.

Keep on keeping on the way you are going and in twenty years time the current travellers infants will mostly still be uneducated and therefore unemployable and untrustworthy.

I've already indicated how the situation is improving, I might also point out that Traveller education funding was cut by 90% during the crisis, no other supports suffered such a cut - I dare say you were howling in opposition to those cuts given your deep concern for education among Travellers.

The girls will still be taken out of school at sixteen and married off because their parents have ensured they have no escape route because they have been denied an education, the resistance to education is probably mostly coming from male travellers because how can they exert their dominance through their fists if their wives and daughters have economic independence and arent pregnant every nine months from age sixteen.

Some of the strongest Traveller voices against Casey have been women, women who work, women who are in education but you're so deeply entrenched in your prejudicial views you're too blind, ignorant or both to see that.

ETA, people voted for Casey for one reason and one reason only and that was to do with real concerns about travellers.

Do indicate the stats for that particular viewpoint and while you're at it perhaps explain why there was there such a heavy transfer pattern between him and MDH arguably the most pro Travellers candidate?

If you look at the pattern of voting Caseys main support came from areas where travellers are present in large numbers, things have never been worse between travellers and people who abide for the most part rules in civi society and for the most part dont cause problems for their neighbours.

He got some high votes in areas where there are concentrations of Travellers but his vote was consistent outside of those peaks which indicates it's more than Travelers.

Its time now to stop Government funding of Pavee Point, its serving no purpose,

Firstly how have you decided it serves no purpose, on what grounds have you decided that? Are you suggesting that the government cease funding all NGOs you decide have 'no purpose' or just those relating to Travellers?

for the love of God wouldnt you think someone from that outfit would acknowledge that the travellers are responsible for Peter Caseys success and no point in deflecting the elephant in the room by shouting racism. Own up to the effects members of your community are having on rural Ireland

There have been many statements from Traveller reps on Casey, I've linked one below, I'm sure if you bothered to look, you could have found it yourself.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election/pavee-point-expresses-concern-at-strong-support-for-casey-in-areas-with-high-traveller-population-37464812.html

Own up to the effects members of your community are having on rural Ireland for the love of God.

Do you think all settled people should own up to the effects of those in their community who cause misery sh!t or are you just so fixated by Travellers that you can't see past that prejudice?

tretorn

What was with the traveller saying Martin Collins from Pavee Point wasnt allowed to attend last night.

Tubridy denied this happened by then moved the debate onto something else.

Is it closing time for Pavee Point, I certainly hope so. I would think the place is entirely funded by the taxpayer.

MFPM

youtube! wrote: »

No one answered my question so I will ask again, is it true or false that travelers get extra payment on the social because of their "ethnic" status?

Thank you !

Question has been answered many times. No they don't. It's one of those myths clowns like Casey propagate and people who latch on to it never bother to check because it suits their prejudice to believe it. A bit like when the government used to give free cars to all African migrants!!!

HappyAsLarE

If every traveller was more like Andy Lee then we wouldn’t have prejudices against them.

tretorn

MFPM wrote: »

He's entitled to question the issue of ethnicity if he wishes, quite what that has to do with the Presidency is beyond me. However he went on to make attacks on Travellers about camping on other people's land - why make no attack on government policy on halting sites, why not make attacks on government cuts to Travellers education programmes? Having finished with Travllers he went on to attack people on welfare - social welfare mind you not a word about corporate welfare.



I've just dealt with that. What question?



What's wrong with learning about culture? Societies are made up of a melting pot of people and cultures, why would you be opposed to your children learning about them?



Ah the old 'your post is rubbish' - classic cowardly tactic. Traveller children completing primary education is pretty much similar to the settled community so there isn't an inherent anti education ethos as you seem to imply. There figures at secondary level are lower but improving as it is at third level.However the idea that you send cops in to drag kids from their bed to a school is perverts and fascistic in tone. Lastly you know nothing about me so might I suggest you don't make assertions based on your own ignorance.



I've already indicated how the situation is improving, I might also point out that Traveller education funding was cut by 90% during the crisis, no other supports suffered such a cut - I dare say you were howling in opposition to those cuts given your deep concern for education among Travellers.



Some of the strongest Traveller voices against Casey have been women, women who work, women who are in education but you're so deeply entrenched in your prejudicial views you're too blind, ignorant or both to see that.



Do indicate the stats for that particular viewpoint and while you're at it perhaps explain why there was there such a heavy transfer pattern between him and MDH arguably the most pro Travellers candidate?



He got some high votes in areas where there are concentrations of Travellers but his vote was consistent outside of those peaks which indicates it's more than Travelers.



Firstly how have you decided it serves no purpose, on what grounds have you decided that? Are you suggesting that the government cease funding all NGOs you decide have 'no purpose' or just those relating to Travellers?



There have been many statements from Traveller reps on Casey, I've linked one below, I'm sure if you bothered to look, you could have found it yourself.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/presidential-election/pavee-point-expresses-concern-at-strong-support-for-casey-in-areas-with-high-traveller-population-37464812.html



Do you think all settled people should own up to the effects of those in their community who cause misery sh!t or are you just so fixated by Travellers that you can't see past that prejudice?

I am happy enough that settled people are called to account for their crimes and that generally for most settled people crime doesnt pay. If the proportion of settled people in prison was the same as the miniscule traveller population that would mean prisons in every townland.

The problem with travellers and crime is that they are untouchable and anyone who mentions their propeensit y for breaking laws in called a racist.

I understand you are probably employed by Pavee Point and of course you dont want any questions asked of travellers.

Subcomandante Marcos

Just watched that interview.

If you voted for that man and you're not embarrassed by it at this stage, you're as thich as a ditch.

He's an absolute moron.

otterj

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Just watched that interview.

If you voted for that man and you're not embarrassed by it at this stage, you're as thich as a ditch.

He's an absolute moron.

*thick

Subcomandante Marcos

otterj wrote: »

*thick

Typos happen, build a f*cking bridge.

shady acres

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Just watched that interview.

If you voted for that man and you're not embarrassed by it at this stage, you're as thich as a ditch.

He's an absolute moron.

you could say we are a basket of deplorables

Subcomandante Marcos

shady acres wrote: »

you could say we are a basket of deplorables

No, just f*cking idiots.