Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

ThunbergsAreGo

Ten Pin wrote: »

From Charlie Flanagan in 2014...
http://www.thejournal.ie/charlie-flanagan-doesnt-support-traveller-ethnicity-1455307-May2014/

I see Charlie supports equality as well

alaimacerc

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Why not, it's safe and it's of no consequence. President has no power . For those of us who were not going to vote it's now a chance not to waste our vote.

No, now it's a chance to really waste tour vote.

The legal powers of the presidency are small, but not none. Would you really want this clown deciding on a contested dissolution of the Dáil? Or whether a bill should be tested as to its constitutionality? Really really?

Quite apart from the "soft" power of the office. AKA, making a holy show of yourself and the entire country for the next seven years.

Wanderer78

alaimacerc wrote:

The legal powers of the presidency are small, but not none. Would you really want this clown deciding on a contested dissolution of the Dáil? Or whether a bill should be tested as to its constitutionality? Really really?

He doesn't have chance, I wouldn't worry about it, this race is long over

Omackeral

alaimacerc wrote: »

No, now it's a chance to really waste tour vote.

The legal powers of the presidency are small, but not none. Would you really want this clown deciding on a contested dissolution of the D? Or whether a bill should be tested as to its constitutionality? Really really?

Quite apart from the "soft" power of the office. AKA, making a holy show of yourself and the entire country for the next seven years.

You sound very rattled, relax. MDH will still win. It's just good that these discussions are taking place and it seems people are quite welcoming of it.

Wheeliebin30

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Why not, it's safe and it's of no consequence. President has no power . For those of us who were not going to vote it's now a chance not to waste our vote.

100%.

Hitman3000

alaimacerc wrote:

No, now it's a chance to really waste tour vote.

A vote cast is not a wasted vote. Whereas an uncast vote is. Thanks though for the condescension, rarely do I see here on Boards. ;-)

bloodless_coup

Did you know that state funded taxis are sent out to ferry traveller children into school?

Where they proceed to distrupt classes taking a huge amount of the teachers time, with the other students suffering.

SNAs assigned to the traveller children at huge costs.

Mothers of traveller children coming in and physically assualting principles.

I have several teachers in my family, primary and secondary schools. The stories you hear are ridiculous.

Wanderer78

I think bunty should be allowed get involved in these debates, to knock a bit of crack out of it

alaimacerc

Omackeral wrote: »

You're talking bollox, that's that confirmed so.

Nope, only in the confirmation biases of people expecting other people to do mindless donkey work at their beck and call. You go reread this entire sewer, you'll find I'm bang on.

Are you familiar with the concept of an outside bet?

That's not how some of the spoofers have characterised their alleged flutters. And "outside bet" would at the very least imply a chance of winning, and if they think they're getting good value for it, more than a 1 in 300 chance, at that.

As I say, either your colleagues are lying, or they think he's in some sort of contention. Make your own mind up which.

alaimacerc

Hitman3000 wrote: »

A vote cast is not a wasted vote. Whereas an uncast vote is. Thanks though for the condescension, rarely do I see here on Boards. ;-)

A vote cast for a bad outcome is clearly a bigger waste than a mere lack of any vote at all. But you're welcome!

Hitman3000

Wanderer78 wrote:

He doesn't have chance, I wouldn't worry about it, this race is long over

Yeah I've heard that said on numerous occasions about other things that were a forgone conclusion.
Higgins more than likely will be returned but not at the level previously suggested. He was rattled on a few occasions last night.

gizmo555

dav3 wrote: »

Peter Casey, a voice for a tiny, minuscule number of people in Ireland.

Define "minuscule". Casey's 2% support in the last poll is about 45,000 voters or, to put it another way, the same level of support as the Green Party.

It's highly unlikely he'll win, but I would be surprised if this traveller issue doesn't at least double his support to 4%, or the same level as the Labour Party.

Hitman3000

alaimacerc wrote:

A vote cast for a bad outcome is clearly a bigger waste than a mere lack of any vote at all. But you're welcome!

In your opinion, which in all honesty on an internet forum has as much substance as a fart on a windy day.

Omackeral

alaimacerc wrote: »

Nope, only in the confirmation biases of people expecting other people to do mindless donkey work at their beck and call. You go reread this entire sewer, you'll find I'm bang on.

You made the claim that "half of the Casey Superfans on here" said he's going to win. I'm disputing that. How can I show something that's not there? You made the claim. Why can't you back it up? Is it because you're talking bollox?

It is.

alaimacerc

Omackeral wrote: »

You sound very rattled, relax.

Was "rattled" one someone brand of word-of-the-day toilet paper? Assorted people keep saying how "rattled" MDH was in the debate. Vivid imagination on their part, as on yours.

Wanderer78

Hitman3000 wrote:

Yeah I've heard that said on numerous occasions about other things that were a forgone conclusion. Higgins more than likely will be returned but not at the level previously suggested. He was rattled on a few occasions last night.

Irish politics tends to veer more towards safer votes than potential disrupt ones, I will agree though, Higgins will lose a few this time, people's anger is rising towards our political class, and rightfully so

sbsquarepants

Well he's getting my vote, I don't think he'll win but I'm giving it to him as a thank you for having the balls to tell the truth.
I'm sick of the pandering these fúckers get. I've yet to meet an actual person in real life who has as much as a good word to say about travellers.

alaimacerc

Omackeral wrote: »

You made the claim that "half of the Casey Superfans on here" said he's going to win. I'm disputing that. How can I show something that's not there? You made the claim. Why can't you back it up? Is it because you're talking bollox?

It is.

Ah, so you'll now in effect conceding that plenty of people have been wildly talking up his chances of winning, and you're going to quibble whether it's quite half? Pardon me while I yawn.

jace_da_face

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Are they though?
Peter Casey expressed an unpopular opinion shared by a lot of people and the president of the country was immediately out to condemn it and call it "appalling". Not to refute it or challenge it.
Other reactions from canditates ranged from "reckless and inflammatory" to "abhorrent".
They are value judgments, not challenges.

If being challenged on an opinion was the only consequence of expressing it in this climate we'd have a much healthier society, but it's not. Shame and exclusion are the response to a view that goes against the zeitgeist grain these days. You are no longer just wrong, you are now morally or intellectually deficient if you don't see what the crowd sees. It's not an open society in which to express yourself freely. I think he was right when he said debate here is being smothered because of it. Stifling the exchange of ideas and opinions is a dangerous road, it also stifles the evolution of thought and consequently policy. We are robbing ourselves of our full potential by not trusting that our values are sound enough to be tested, that we can either refute or learn from opinons that differ from the norm.

Not only is what you say true, but it goes beyond just shaming that person for expressing their view, when there are calls for Casey to step out of the race. Had similar views been expressed by a politician, councilor, radio host, journalist etc., that would mean your job.

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dav3

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Why not, it's safe and it's of no consequence. President has no power . For those of us who were not going to vote it's now a chance not to waste our vote.

Why were you not going to vote? Are people forgetting there is also a referendum on that day?

People can vote for whatever they like, it's a private vote, nobody is looking over your shoulder. It'll be interesting to see if the votes on the day for Peter Casey tally with his support online.

alaimacerc

Hitman3000 wrote: »

In your opinion, which in all honesty on an internet forum has as much substance as a fart on a windy day.

No, it's objectively true. Why would voting for a bad outcome in some way be better? Not sure you quite thought that one through.

Omackeral

alaimacerc wrote: »

Was "rattled" one someone brand of word-of-the-day toilet paper? Assorted people keep saying how "rattled" MDH was in the debate. Vivid imagination on their part, as on yours.

No but if I had such toilet paper I'd give it to you to wipe up that bullsh*t you're spouting. Half the Casey fans think he's a cert to win. Absolute bollox and lies which you won't and can't back up. No credibility.

Wheeliebin30

When all I said and done he has opened up a discussion everyone was afraid to have and I’d say quite a few politicians and the media are taking note of the support he has gotten.

Hopefully it’s the start of more balanced views across the board.

Omackeral

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Well he's getting my vote, I don't think he'll win

NO YOU DO, YOU'RE ONE OF THE SUPERFANS!!!!!!!

Omackeral

alaimacerc wrote: »

Ah, so you'll now in effect conceding that plenty of people have been wildly talking up his chances of winning, and you're going to quibble whether it's quite half? Pardon me while I yawn.

Comprehension is not your strong suit. Anyway, I best go back into work. The over-represented Travellers won't mind themselves...

Hitman3000

alaimacerc wrote:

Was "rattled" one someone brand of word-of-the-day toilet paper? Assorted people keep saying how "rattled" MDH was in the debate. Vivid imagination on their part, as on yours.

Very flustered over the Lear jet to Belfast but car to Derry, uncomfortable when it mentioned he's a landlord. Hey he's a great socialist, just aswell he wasn't asked the rent he charges, one newspaper article claimed 2500 a month. Failed to mention he picks up his NUIG pension of 19 k every year. It's nice to see he's not getting the coronation he thought he was going to get. As said he will probably still win bar a huge upset before Friday. But despite your claim to the contrary he was rattled especially when Duffy told him he had an effective pay of 500k+ a year . Wage plus unvouched expenses of 317k.

alaimacerc

dav3 wrote: »

Why were you not going to vote? Are people forgetting there is also a referendum on that day?

Bear in mind they're doubling up the referendum vote with the pres one, partly to save money, but also because otherwise the turnout for that would be even worse. Down as low as 33.5% for the Children's one, which was waaaay more contested and high-profile than this vote.

raspberrypi67

Think hes dead right, we should vote for casy, come on folks....lol

mfceiling

alaimacerc wrote: »

Half the Casey superfans on this thread keep saying he will. Though I'll grant you that's statistically very close to "nobody". And they're likely just blustering, at that.

Can you give us examples where "half" (50%) of the fans in this thread have said he will win the election.
Nobody will win this election except Micheal D.
Peter Casey has opened up a can of worms here and it's now time to listen to the concerns of the settled community without the "racist" nonsense being bandied about.