Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

Hitman3000

FrancieBrady wrote:

How do you know what he does with his money?

I never said where he spends the500k + plus he gets from the taxpayer or asked for that matter.
Still hilarious a socialist decrying captilism that gives the lavish lifestyle he has grown accustomed to .

McMurphy

Bob Harris wrote: »

He'll get about 1/100 of the votes if he even continues with the campaign.

Better chance of Shergar winning the Grand National next year.

I rekon it's now a to w horse race so to speak.

Casey definitely worth a punt

FrancieBrady

wexie wrote: »

What's to stop Pavee Point from saying :



......???

On Sulky Racing:

A SPOKESPERSON for a Travellers' organisation has issued a stark warning to members of the community involved in a dangerous road race: ‘Don’t do it again’.
Ben Archibald of Pavee Point Travellers Centre said the ‘sulky’ race on the main Cork to Mallow road was ‘reckless’ and put hundreds of lives at risk.



“Sulky racing is a long standing tradition in Traveller culture but it can take place in a safe environment. What we saw was a serious risk to life and there’s nothing cultural about that,” he said on RTE’S Morning Ireland radio show.



Condemning the race which he described as ‘senseless’ and a potential risk to life, Mr Archibald called for all parties to come together to reconcile the Traveller tradition of road racing and respect for the law of the land.

On criminality:

Pavee Point has said it would be “extremely naive” for the Travelling community to suggest there are no criminal elements in its midst.
Martin Collins, a co-director with the Traveller rights group, was speaking after Sinn Féin justice spokesman Pádraig Mac Lochlainn said some of the “mistrust” felt by the settled community was justified by “very poor behaviour and worse” on the part of some Travellers.
Mr Mac Lochlainn, who is half Traveller and has urged the State to recognise the community as an ethnic group, said: “There is criminality within the Travelling community. They are a disgrace, those involved in criminality, they let down their own community and they shame their own community.”
Mr Collins said it would be “extremely naive for any of us to suggest for one second there isn’t an element in our community involved in criminal activity”.
“That would be just nonsense,” he said. “The point I think Padraig is trying to make is that the rest of the Travellers are being held to account for the minority within the minority who are involved in this behaviour. That’s not acceptable.

I am having difficulty in posting links to the sources above. If you put the text into google it will bring you the sources, The IT and Journal

Laois_Man

Richard Hillman wrote: »

If he suspends his campaign because of media outrage (not public outrage) then he is too spineless to be a leader.

Its not because of outrage. He never wanted to win!

Sycamore Tree

Am I right in saying you can still vote for Casey even if he pulls out of the race?

FrancieBrady

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I never said where he spends the500k + plus he gets from the taxpayer or asked for that matter.
Still hilarious a socialist decrying captilism that gives the lavish lifestyle he has grown accustomed to .

He is 'decrying' elements of capitalism, the toxic elements, just like he 'decried' elements of Castro's leadership.

But carry on with the sensationalism. :rolleyes:

KrustyUCC

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think (as a funny aside) that two of the Tipp family members yesterday were far and away more articulate and insightful than the bould Peter managed to be tbh.

Can you square the statement from the original article with the claims being made now?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

More confusion about what is going on there. Stoked by generalised rabblerousing by Casey.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/travellers-and-council-clash-over-grazing-land-for-horses-1.3663379

Long way from the McCarthys said originally

However, the Travellers living across the road say they will not be occupying them unless two stables and at least half an acre of land are included behind each dwelling for their horses.

They were to be built with a half-acre behind each house, with two stables,” Philip McCarthy, one of the residents of the site at Cabragh Bridge, said at the weekend. “They [Tipperary County Council] changed it to a group project, like a mini-housing estate. The agreement was two stables and a half an acre for the horses, but they never came up with that.”

Families want stables for horses before moving into new homes
Tipperary County Council says it is in discussions to try to resolve the problem

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/families-want-stables-for-horses-before-moving-into-new-homes-1.3655385

The McCarthys specifically mentioned stables

When it was was put to him that Pavee Point said the family did not want the council to give it the land, rather to rent it,

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...asey-1.3666390

Big change from They were to be built with a half-acre behind each house, with two stables to renting the extra land

I think the media and the travellers in question are trying to change the narrative as they have turned down €1.7 million in houses and it looks terrible

Demanding half and acre of land behind each house and stables.

Now they are changing the narrative with the attention Casey has brought to the case

Hitman3000

KrustyUCC wrote:

Now they are changing the narrative with the attention Casey has brought to the case

Basically they have been caught out on their bs and are now trying to lie their way out of it.

FixdePitchmark

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Can you square the statement from the original article with the claims being made now?



Long way from the McCarthys said originally

However, the Travellers living across the road say they will not be occupying them unless two stables and at least half an acre of land are included behind each dwelling for their horses.

They were to be built with a half-acre behind each house, with two stables,” Philip McCarthy, one of the residents of the site at Cabragh Bridge, said at the weekend. “They [Tipperary County Council] changed it to a group project, like a mini-housing estate. The agreement was two stables and a half an acre for the horses, but they never came up with that.”

Families want stables for horses before moving into new homes
Tipperary County Council says it is in discussions to try to resolve the problem

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/families-want-stables-for-horses-before-moving-into-new-homes-1.3655385

The McCarthys specifically mentioned stables

When it was was put to him that Pavee Point said the family did not want the council to give it the land, rather to rent it,

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...asey-1.3666390

Big change from They were to be built with a half-acre behind each house, with two stables to renting the extra land

I think the media and the travellers in question are trying to change the narrative as they have turned down €1.7 million in houses and it looks terrible

Demanding half and acre of land behind each house and stables.

Now they are changing the narrative with the attention Casey has brought to the case

Are they getting them for free

Is there any rent at all ?

FrancieBrady

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Can you square the statement from the original article with the claims being made now?



Long way from the McCarthys said originally

However, the Travellers living across the road say they will not be occupying them unless two stables and at least half an acre of land are included behind each dwelling for their horses.

They were to be built with a half-acre behind each house, with two stables,” Philip McCarthy, one of the residents of the site at Cabragh Bridge, said at the weekend. “They [Tipperary County Council] changed it to a group project, like a mini-housing estate. The agreement was two stables and a half an acre for the horses, but they never came up with that.”

Families want stables for horses before moving into new homes
Tipperary County Council says it is in discussions to try to resolve the problem

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/families-want-stables-for-horses-before-moving-into-new-homes-1.3655385

The McCarthys specifically mentioned stables

When it was was put to him that Pavee Point said the family did not want the council to give it the land, rather to rent it,

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...asey-1.3666390

Big change from They were to be built with a half-acre behind each house, with two stables to renting the extra land

I think the media and the travellers in question are trying to change the narrative as they have turned down €1.7 million in houses and it looks terrible

Demanding half and acre of land behind each house and stables.

Now they are changing the narrative with the attention Casey has brought to the case

All I know is that there is confusion around this one issue. Before Casey made his comments the IT was interviewing people who claimed they never demanded two stables and who also said they were happy for the houses to go to others because they were no good to them.
Did Casey try and get to the bottom of the issues, no he didn't. He went there to repeat his blanket soundbyte and ran.

Uncharted

Sycamore Tree wrote: »

Am I right in saying you can still vote for Casey even if he pulls out of the race?

Apparently so.

Now that really would be a protest vote...!

KrustyUCC

The family at the centre of the case originally said they wouldn't be moving in as unless two stables and at least half an acre of land are included behind each dwelling for their horses.

They were to be built with a half-acre behind each house, with two stables,” Philip McCarthy, one of the residents of the site at Cabragh Bridge, said at the weekend. “They [Tipperary County Council] changed it to a group project, like a mini-housing estate. The agreement was two stables and a half an acre for the horses, but they never came up with that.”

Where are we going to go with our livestock? They knew from day one, the livestock was always our priority.”

Families want stables for horses before moving into new homes
Tipperary County Council says it is in discussions to try to resolve the problem

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...omes-1.3655385

Clear as day the family said one thing and have changed their story

KrustyUCC

Horse has bolted - council will not provide stables for €1.7m Traveller homes in local stand-off

Tipperary County Council has insisted categorically it will not be providing stables or paddocks for horses owned by members of an extended Traveller family who are due to move into a new €1.7m housing development.
Six new houses are lying empty outside Thurles in Co Tipperary while the families have been living on an "unauthorised" site across the road for decades and are refusing to move pending the provision of horse accommodation.

The situation was described yesterday as an "embarrassment" and a "thundering disgrace" by county councillors.

The council has said there was never an agreement, despite what members of the family involved say, to provide stables for two horses and some land behind each of the six new houses at Cabragh Bridge, about 2km from Thurles.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/horse-has-bolted-council-will-not-provide-stables-for-1-7m-traveller-homes-in-local-standoff-37398684.html

FrancieBrady

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The family at the centre of the case originally said they wouldn't be moving in as unless two stables and at least half an acre of land are included behind each dwelling for their horses.

They were to be built with a half-acre behind each house, with two stables,” Philip McCarthy, one of the residents of the site at Cabragh Bridge, said at the weekend. “They [Tipperary County Council] changed it to a group project, like a mini-housing estate. The agreement was two stables and a half an acre for the horses, but they never came up with that.”

Where are we going to go with our livestock? They knew from day one, the livestock was always our priority.”

Families want stables for horses before moving into new homes
Tipperary County Council says it is in discussions to try to resolve the problem

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...omes-1.3655385

Clear as day the family said one thing and have changed their story

And here is a different story published before Casey made his remarks so not influenced by him, as claimed.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/travellers-and-council-clash-over-grazing-land-for-horses-1.3663379

Tell me how

looksee wrote:

'Would you be ok'? That's the whole point, those situations already exist. With the exception of the 'armed police' bit, and even then, if there is a gangland stand-off in an estate, the armed police will be there. People get arrested and punished for crimes, parents can be made to send children to school, gards check for tax and insurance, and there are consequenses, people can be electronically tagged if necessary...what point are you making?

You're suggesting a martial law type of environment targeting a specific sector of society.

If travellers aren't challenged/prosecuted at this point, how have so many of them ended up in jail?

KrustyUCC

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All I know is that there is confusion around this one issue. Before Casey made his comments the IT was interviewing people who claimed they never demanded two stables and who also said they were happy for the houses to go to others because they were no good to them.
Did Casey try and get to the bottom of the issues, no he didn't. He went there to repeat his blanket soundbyte and ran.

A spokesman said Tipperary County Council “acknowledges that the late William McCarthy requested . . . stables with the houses. However, the council clarified early on . . . that the construction of stables was not eligible for funding from the Department [of Housing].

“The key focus of the council is to provide homes for those in need of housing. The council understands the place horses hold in the culture of the Travelling community, but in the interest of good estate management does not facilitate the accommodation of horses.

DavidLyons_

Absolutely shocking treatment of Peter Casey on RTE radio right now. Think it’s Olivia O’Leary.

She seems to be trying to suggest to him that his comments are indeed racist and he just isn’t capable of being aware that he’s racist.

Disgusting behavior.

I hope he stays in, polls really well and shows people like this just how out of step they are!!

Hitman3000

DavidLyons_ wrote:

She seems to be trying to suggest to him that his comments are indeed racist and he just isn’t capable of being aware that he’s racist.

Whatever he is he's not racist, even the lame brains on here can't explain themselves when they call him a racist. The label has lost all meaning.

Dr Brown

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Absolutely shocking treatment of Peter Casey on RTE radio right now. Think it’s Olivia O’Leary.

She seems to be trying to suggest to him that his comments are indeed racist and he just isn’t capable of being aware that he’s racist.

Disgusting behavior.

I hope he stays in, polls really well and shows people like this just how out of step they are!!

The word racist has become meaningless.

Yer Da sells Avon

Dr Brown wrote: »

The word racist has become meaningless.

You wish.

PlaneSpeeking

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You wish.

In one succinct sentence, explain why wanting all members of one race and nationality to be equal is "racist" ?

Spoiler alert - you can't, as it's not.

FrancieBrady

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A spokesman said Tipperary County Council “acknowledges that the late William McCarthy requested . . . stables with the houses. However, the council clarified early on . . . that the construction of stables was not eligible for funding from the Department [of Housing].

“The key focus of the council is to provide homes for those in need of housing. The council understands the place horses hold in the culture of the Travelling community, but in the interest of good estate management does not facilitate the accommodation of horses.

Mr Joyce, a solicitor, Traveller and member of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission,was speaking as the council seeks a resolution of the dispute with the extended McCarthy family, who have lived for over 40 years at a “camp” about 2km outside Thurles.
They have been reported as “refusing” to move into a €1.7 million development of six houses across the road, because they want stables and a half-acre of land, per house, for their horses.
The families, however, say they have not been invited to move into the houses, and have not asked the council for stables, but rather grazing land adjacent to the houses.
They say if a resolution cannot be found they would be happy to see the houses offered to settled families on the council’s waiting list.

Said before Casey made his comments

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Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You wish.

Spanish Eyes

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Absolutely shocking treatment of Peter Casey on RTE radio right now. Think it’s Olivia O’Leary.

She seems to be trying to suggest to him that his comments are indeed racist and he just isn’t capable of being aware that he’s racist.

Disgusting behavior.

I hope he stays in, polls really well and shows people like this just how out of step they are!!

I think it was Aine Lawlor. And indeed it was truly shocking. I just could not believe what I was hearing.

I have fired off an email to RTE in disgust.

The last thing that man is is racist, but she would not let it go. Poor man is being savaged.

dense

The lefty media has been most offended by Casey's honesty.



The lady presenter on the News at One seemed terribly taken aback by his comments, even more so than the gentleman from Pavee Point.



He'll have to tread carefully now whilst the buffoon that is Duffy and the other visionaries piously go "tut tut".



The media knives are out.

Hitman3000

dense wrote:

The media knives are out.

In the words of Monty Burns ' Release the hounds'.

mfceiling

FrancieBrady wrote: »

and who also said they were happy for the houses to go to others because they were no good to them.

That's a shame that these brand new houses are "no good to them".
Hopefully some poor homeless family will get one of these lovely homes.

ozmo

Any new Presidential Election Polls published yet?
Just wondering how the past few days affected who people are voting for...

FrancieBrady

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think it was Aine Lawlor. And indeed it was truly shocking. I just could not believe what I was hearing.

I have fired off an email to RTE in disgust.

The last thing that man is is racist, but she would not let it go. Poor man is being savaged.

She didn't call him a racist, she asked him to respond to those who had called him that.

He didn't do very well on that, and fell on the poor me, victim response and I see it is being taken up here.

He also tried desperately to deflect to 'broadband' as an issue. Which if you had been listening to RTE earlier you would know he planned as his next 'big issue' to address next week.

The man tried to get some cheap publicity and is now looking and sounding a bit pathetic as he furiously tries to back pedal. Sad.