The Downfall of Conor McGregor

JoeyJJ

sideswipe wrote: »

Conor McGregor is a wasted opportunity to appeal to and inspire a generation of young Irish kids. I always look at him and his loutish behaviour and cringe at the thoughts of young fellas aspiring to be like him. He could be a true rags to riches success story where hard work and talent can take you to the very top. Instead you see him pulling up in front of courthouses acting the gangster or throwing things at buses.

This is something that most can agree with to some extent. Good post.

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Twenty Grand wrote: »

Downfall? You must be joking. The man is more popular than ever! The hype over the last fight with Khalid was immense.

More famous, not popular

His downfall has nothing to do with money. My point is that he's plummeted in the estimation of most

Steve F

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Originally Posted by rob316
He's got more money than he could ever spend, children and probably grandchildren sorted for life.

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Somewhat disagree there, he is very wealthy, but he'd be near the bottom of the pile of the wealthiest, you could spend all his wealth in one go, easy, but sadly, such downfalls tend to lead to being completely broke also, it's relatively common, a bit of intelligence is required to maintain some wealth, so we ll see what happens

Yes,agree to that 100%
Lets say for instance that Conor is worth $150 Million,just and arbitrary figure.
To say that he is set for life plus his Children and Grandchildren also is too broad a statement
In the past other people have had greater wealth and ended up with nothing.Sad but true

Amazing how much money someone can go through with bad investments,bad advice,Hangers on,living the high life.....you get the picture now I'm sure
S

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joeguevara wrote: »

But downfall? One of the richest sport stars in the world. Worldwide celebrity status which he can cash in on merchandise and tv. Can do exhibition fights where the purse is the stuff of legend.

So you're saying he gets paid to get the sh1t kicked out of him... as he did in the last two fights.

The money argument doesn't stand. I'd rather be me than him.

WinOrLearn BusFighter

Steve F wrote: »

He's got more money than he could ever spend, children and probably grandchildren sorted for life.
S

They'll be spoiled fcuked up nutters I've no doubt. They'll never get to be individuals

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

decent record.... but lost the belt and got carried away with the outside antics.

Was only a matter of time.

But he only really got carried away with outside antics because he knew he was going to lose it!

He would have lost it anyway.

Sunny Disposition

He’s a parody of himself at this stage. Made a lot of money out of the Mayweather fight, but he had to act like a jackass doing it, talking himself up when he hadn’t a hope. Since then he has lost the plot a bit more, lot of mad antics, increasingly seems like an utter pain in the hole.

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PapaOscar wrote: »

But he never punched a ref in the face.

Marshal... smarty pants!

Agent Smith

Neyite wrote: »

Maybe but it's the Germans who have an actual word for it.

Fecking germans.... Even when it was McGregor I knew it was the Germans....

Greyfox

Effects wrote: »

Soccer or GAA?

We all know that GAA has an unexpected violence that's unmatched by the UFC.

Real football, as in the English kind 😀

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TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Loses to the best LW in the world (and puts up a better performance than given credit for from people who don't understand wrestling/grappling and the insane talent of Khabib) and he's now on a downward spiral and set to be forgotten by history.

OK.

For God's sake, Khabib beat him at his own game too. Khabib landed the best punch in the fight

raze_them_all_

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Downfall? You must be joking. The man is more popular than ever! The hype over the last fight with Khalid was immense.

EDIT: He's the richest MMA fighter in the world at $85 million, though most of that was made from the cool $30 million he made fighting Mayweather. He has 3 of the 4 highest UFC ppv fights I believe and will make an obscene amount of money from the fight last week, given his whiskey (which has sold out in most places) was sponsoring the event.

And his fight record is still 21-4, which is very impressive.
Downfall indeed... :rolleyes:

How do you edit and still call Khabib kallid ffs

WinOrLearn BusFighter

Tombo2001 wrote: »

In fact - a big part of the reason he gets so much press is that so many people want to see his downfall.

So well done everyone for contributing to his success.

The money argument as always.

WinOrLearn BusFighter

joeguevara wrote: »

Firstly, I think he was grossly under prepared for the Khabib fight and was more interested in promoting merchandise.

Hence the downfall.

He'd plenty of time to prepare though.

rob316

Wait you created an account to make this thread. :rolleyes: Obsessed

pgj2015

Greyfox wrote: »

My opinion of him has gone down a lot but he's still going to make huge money over the next 5 years. Acting like a bit of a scummer has led him to making a lot more money than if he was a nice guy

you must not be getting the point, there is more to life than money. mcgregor needs to figure this out or he will never be happy.

rob316

pgj2015 wrote: »

you must not be getting the point, there is more to life than money. mcgregor needs to figure this out or he will never be happy.

He's climbed to top of the sport he spent his youth training in. He has a family and huge wealth, what more could a man want?
How do you know he's not happy?

meeeeh

I didn't enjoy his climb to the top and won't enjoy his downfall. Whatever about his personal journey it illustrates perfectly why MMA is a circus and not a sport.

DrPhilG

Didn't we just have an After Hours Conor McGregor thread?

Mean Laqueefa

meeeeh wrote: »

I didn't enjoy his climb to the top and won't enjoy his downfall. Whatever about his personal journey it illustrates perfectly why MMA is a circus and not a sport.

You are talking through your hoop

The Crowman

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Completely daft.

I've never watched any of his fights from start to finish; I've seen a few highlights after the event.

But I know enough about this guy to say he is an abslolute phenomenon - a guy with a one in a million talent to manage a celebrity persona and just enough sporting talent to back it up.

On his way to becoming Europe's first billionaire sportsperson.......Sitting with Putin at the world cup final; touring around the Dallas Cowboys stadium at the weekend with all the players gathered around him; 26 million followers on Instagram.

Lads - get a grip. Look at your own lives. There is no downfall here to talk about.

Its a pity Saddam, Idi Amin and Gaddafi aren't still around for him to hang out with.

bucketybuck

Steve F wrote: »

Lets say for instance that Conor is worth $150 Million,just and arbitrary figure.
To say that he is set for life plus his Children and Grandchildren also is too broad a statement
In the past other people have had greater wealth and ended up with nothing.Sad but true

I think some people are pretty naive in thinking McGregor is set for life, history is littered with examples of people who made a fortune, then started a spiral of drugs and bad decisions that saw their fortunes wiped out.

Look at Mike Tyson for example, a fighter who was infinitely more famous at his peak than McGregor could ever even dream off, had a reported fortune of $300 million in 1990's money, yet filed for bankruptcy in 2003.

I could easily see McGregor going down the same path. I mean, would it really surprise anybody if some woman came out with allegations against him...

DarTipp

I think a decline is more apt for conors career atm rather than downfall, anyway im sure he'll win his rematch v Khabib

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Twenty Grand wrote: »

though most of that was made from the cool $30 million he made fighting Mayweather.

That figure is different every time I hear it.

w/s/p/c/

Downfall? As much as I hated his carry on over the past couple of years, he's hardly on the way down to the gutter.

Seen him pictured with Jerry Jones and Rupert Murdoch the other day at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium ffs, two very rich men

Twenty Grand

Still Ill wrote: »

Who the **** is that guy?!

F*cking autocorrect!

brainfreeze

Begrudging fantasies bordering on erotic fan fiction. :pac:

He's just spent the last few days hanging out with Jerry Jones and Rupert Murdoch, he isn't going anywhere.

Effects

DrPhilG wrote: »

Didn't we just have an After Hours Conor McGregor thread?

Yeah, but this one is specifically about his downfall.

Effects

w/s/p/c/ wrote: »

Seen him pictured with Jerry Jones and Rupert Murdoch the other day at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium ffs, two very rich men

What's it matter how rich they are?
Isn't Rupert Murdoch a complete scumbag?

Shanotheslayer

Apparently, money is the be all and end all for Conor Mcgregor fans.

They never stfu about it and it's not even their money.

*Somebody says something about Mcgregor*

''YEH BUT HE HAS ALL THE MONIES''

CrankyHaus

I wish him all the best and hope we don't see his downfall.

However history gives a different example with many Irish people who achieve great things while young.
Brendan Behan, Shane McGowan, Phil Lynott, all followed a similar trajectory of great talent and great achievements cut short by prodigious sessioning. In a similar vein you can include sportsmen like George Best, Paul McGrath and plenty of boxers.

Don't be fooled by the money. It can be squandered quicker than you'd believe with enough divorce/paternity settlements, lawsuits, ill-advised business ventures, leaching friends and hangers-on and high living.

Tombo2001

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Completely daft.

I've never watched any of his fights from start to finish; I've seen a few highlights after the event.

But I know enough about this guy to say he is an abslolute phenomenon - a guy with a one in a million talent to manage a celebrity persona and just enough sporting talent to back it up.

On his way to becoming Europe's first billionaire sportsperson.......Sitting with Putin at the world cup final; touring around the Dallas Cowboys stadium at the weekend with all the players gathered around him; 26 million followers on Instagram.

Lads - get a grip. Look at your own lives. There is no downfall here to talk about.

I imagine Ronaldo/Messi/F1 drivers are well, well ahead of him. Rory McIlroy definitely makes a hell of a lot more money than McGregor too.

JoeyJJ

AdamD wrote: »

I imagine Ronaldo/Messi/F1 drivers are well, well ahead of him. Rory McIlroy definitely makes a hell of a lot more money than McGregor too.

Rory net worth is estimated at 110m dollars, Conor got about 80-100 for Flyod and about 40 for Khabib, not saying who is richer however it isn't a hell of a lot if at all.

Rory massive in the states, you wanna she cageside in vegas all the rich guys flock around him.

raze_them_all_

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Rory net worth is estimated at 110m dollars, Conor got about 80-100 for Flyod and about 40 for Khabib, not saying who is richer however it isn't a hell of a lot if at all.

Rory massive in the states, you wanna she cageside in vegas all the rich guys flock around him.

You including taxes and not what he got paid gross!? Cos 100million paid does not mean 100 million in the bank

Greyfox

pgj2015 wrote: »

you must not be getting the point, there is more to life than money. mcgregor needs to figure this out or he will never be happy.

If I had his money I'd be super happy for the rest of my life, he's certainly a very happy man

arybvtcw0eolkf

meeeeh wrote: »

I didn't enjoy his climb to the top and won't enjoy his downfall. Whatever about his personal journey it illustrates perfectly why MMA is a circus and not a sport.

You're confusing MMA with the UFC.

The UFC is entertainment/promotions company.

MMA is a sport.

Conor's downfall, I think its too early to make that call.

I do think we're seeing a drop off in his popularity due to his recent antics, followed by a humiliating loss to someone he tried to bully.

But what I do think we're seeing is Conor nearing the end of a career which has a short shelf life anyway.

I hope I don't see a rags to riches to rags (again) story unfold here. Most people would be humbled by the defeat he took, they'd have learned to STFU and keep a low profile for awhile.

Reading reviews of his whiskey, it seems its dreadful stuff.

Anyway I hope he gets to enjoy both for a bit longer.

D3V!L

I've had actual personal experience with him just as he became as big as he is now. He's a scumbag, he'll always be a scumbag, no matter how much money he has.

There will be no fall from grace for him as he'll always be in the gutter.

orourkeda1977

Put a skanger on horseback and he'll ride to hell

Diemos

AdamD wrote: »

I imagine Ronaldo/Messi/F1 drivers are well, well ahead of him. Rory McIlroy definitely makes a hell of a lot more money than McGregor too.

Messi is not european.

But I thought Schumacher was the first european billionaire sports star.

willowthewisp

D3V!L wrote: »

I've had actual personal experience with him just as he became as big as he is now. He's a scumbag, he'll always be a scumbag, no matter how much money he has.

There will be no fall from grace for him as he'll always be in the gutter.

Tell us more. Interested.

D3V!L

willowthewisp wrote: »

Tell us more. Interested.

No I'm good thanks. No need to explain anything .

Mocha Joe

D3V!L wrote: »

No I'm good thanks. No need to explain anything .

Then why bring it up at all?

average hero

I don't like the begrudgery of people wishing a downfall on him. Let me be very clear - I am a Conor McGregor fan. I participate in martial arts so I would like to think I have an idea of the sport of MMA too.

The good:
1) He catapulted Ireland to a very high standing in MMA due to his skills in the octagon. He is an excellent MMArtist. One loss against probably the world's best grappler does not change that. Many people have made money, careers and their dreams come true due to him also - this needs to be recognised and celebrated.
2) He has become an inspiration to many to follow their dreams whether in business or otherwise. His inspiration has taken young men and women off the streets and into gyms to train where their mental health and life prospects improve immeasurably.
3) While some have said he has been rude, others have said he is accommodating with fans, he donates to charity and looks after people who looked after him. I respect this - particularly the charity bit.
4) It is definitely not 'academic' but he is a great businessman/marketer/promoter. He is way more intelligent than people give him credit for. I know some will disagree with me, but I think he is extremely socially aware and good at 'working people' actually.

The bad:
1) While not all his fault, he hasn't played the Irish media very well whereas he has played the American media like a fiddle. An analogy would be how he didn't show up and then wore a tracksuit to speeding offences in Ireland whereas he didn't dare do anything like that with the judge in the USA. You can argue he knows which side his bread is buttered, but it is a respect thing.
2) Some of the videos of him allegedly intoxicated - I know he is a young man but he needs to keep the head for a little while yet.
3) Some stuff that his Dad did, while funny are a little cringey.

The ugly:
1) The attack on the bus. No need for it, promotionally or any other way.
2) Sectarian or slagging someone off as a result of their region etc. No need for it in any walk of life

What he needs:
To think about his legacy, tone down the inflammatory stuff and get back to funny/relaxed Conor. Get the Irish media and people back onside. If he is or his SBG folk are reading - PM me bro haha! Forget about Khabib, take Ferguson and Pettis etc. Build up to Khabib if he has to, get people back onside.

What the begrudgers need:
To get a life

TheChosenOne_

sideswipe wrote: »

Conor McGregor is a wasted opportunity to appeal to and inspire a generation of young Irish kids. I always look at him and his loutish behaviour and cringe at the thoughts of young fellas aspiring to be like him. He could be a true rags to riches success story where hard work and talent can take you to the very top. Instead you see him pulling up in front of courthouses acting the gangster or throwing things at buses.

Never understood this argument. Why should it be Conor's responsibility to inspire and be a role model for children?? McGregor is doing what he has to do for himself and to secure his families future. It's not his business to be a role model for anybody, his career is to punch and kick people in the head and make money.


Parents should be the role models for their own children, not Conor McGregor

Church on Tuesday

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Downfall? You must be joking. The man is more popular than ever! The hype over the last fight with Khalid was immense.

EDIT: He's the richest MMA fighter in the world at $85 million, though most of that was made from the cool $30 million he made fighting Mayweather. He has 3 of the 4 highest UFC ppv fights I believe and will make an obscene amount of money from the fight last week, given his whiskey (which has sold out in most places) was sponsoring the event.

And his fight record is still 21-4, which is very impressive.
Downfall indeed... :rolleyes:

We like to knock our own.

WinOrLearn BusFighter

con___manx1 wrote: »

The Op is wrong about the whole bus situation. Mcgregor done did that to turrn the fight into a big grudge match to draw more paper views.it was all planned. Its wasnt just him being a pure knacker. If i was him thats what i would have done. That bus stunt made him millions in extra paper views. Mcgregor isnt as stupid as a lot of people think he is.

Conspiracy theories are relatively harmless unless they get blown out of proportion.

The most likely explanation is often the simplest one. If I had $100 million dollars made, I don't think there would be any way someone could convince me to act like a retard with dementia (on camera), in order to make a couple of extra bucks.

WinOrLearn BusFighter

average hero wrote: »

4) It is definitely not 'academic' but he is a great businessman/marketer/promoter. He is way more intelligent than people give him credit for. I know some will disagree with me, but I think he is extremely socially aware and good at 'working people' actually.

His social skills are good enough, but I would not say extremely good.

You could say that he demonstrated this when he sort of ambushed Putin and acted all nice... just so that he could be the one to sit on Putin's lap first in order to annoy Khabib. It would have been awkward for Putin to ignore him even though he probably wanted to... knowing full well that this fella tried to attack a Russian citizen.

chrissb8

Too many drugs I heard. This was probably the wake up call he needed. Think he is a scumbag but you can see why anyone after making 100mil would lose a little bit of motivation or a lot. Needs to reassess what he wants out of fighting now. Another pay check or a chance to become one of the greatest ever. Cause even I can see he obviously has immense talent.

hatrickpatrick

Khabib is the first UFC fight he's lost fair and square. Mayweather was a farce with a foregone conclusion and Diaz I was an upward shift in weight class in just over one week with a totally different opponent to the one he'd spent months training for. Neither count as simple cases of being outclassed in my view. So he has plenty of time to make an epic comeback and I'm already looking forward to it.

I said on the MMA forum though that his next fight really shouldn't be another title shot. He needs to work his way back to that by fighting someone else before he goes after Khabib again, both for the sake of the UFC's integrity and for the sake of Conor getting badly needed training before he makes another - hopefully successful - stab as Khabib.

weldoninhio

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Khabib is the first UFC fight he's lost fair and square. Mayweather was a farce with a foregone conclusion and Diaz I was an upward shift in weight class in just over one week with a totally different opponent to the one he'd spent months training for. Neither count as simple cases of being outclassed in my view. So he has plenty of time to make an epic comeback and I'm already looking forward to it.

I said on the MMA forum though that his next fight really shouldn't be another title shot. He needs to work his way back to that by fighting someone else before he goes after Khabib again, both for the sake of the UFC's integrity and for the sake of Conor getting badly needed training before he makes another - hopefully successful - stab as Khabib.

There was no “upward shift” in weight for Diaz. He walks around at 170+. He just didn’t need to cut weight. Also ignores away the fact that Diaz was on a party boat in Baha when he got the call and hadn’t been training for anyone when he got the call. Pathetic revisionism.