Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

tayto lover

Goldengirl wrote: »

Ranting and railing against one distinct ethnic group , as on this thread, is considered Racist , by most of the civilised world , and is not a matter of opinion.

Bull****.
Ranting and raving about an ethnic community that is robbing the country blind and who offer nothing of any value to it. Quite acceptable and not one iota racist.

Omackeral

Goldengirl wrote: »

Well done , big words.

Well I was told by your good self that I hadn't got it in me to argue a point so I provided one in proper terminology and then also in layman's terms. Everybody is happy then. Just in case anyone missed it, the big word I used means they f*ck their own cousins.

Paddy Cow

Goldengirl wrote: »

The Maoris are New Zealand 's ethnic group. Do they have a history of oppressing a minority. How do you not know this?

Maoris existed in New Zealand for hundreds of years before the British went over. There is no comparison between Maoris and Travellers. Travellers don't know where they came from. The accepted view is that they are a splinter group of native Irish who were displaced from the North in the 1600's. They lived a nomadic life and kept to themselves. They were self sufficient and got by, by doing seasonal farm work and mending pots and pans, hence the name "tinkers".

It's a recent trend that they have become completely depend on the welfare state to live. 100 years ago they were self sufficient and lived in caravans with no running water or electricity. Now we have third and fourth generation "Travellers" living in houses who consider themselves "settled Travellers" but still a different ethnic group. Nonsense. The only reason they are genetically different to regular Irish people is that for 400 years they have been marrying first cousins. That's not a good thing or something that should be encouraged because of "culture".

Paddy Cow

Goldengirl wrote: »

Just showing what it's like when your post is taken out of context.
I don't agree with all of what she says, the Stardust is not a comparison. Grenfell is.

No it's not. As I told you before, Grenfell happened because of faulty wiring and flammable cladding. It was not because adults in charge of children got drunk and forgot to turn off the chip pan.

It boggles my mind that people can be this obtuse. I don't know if you are deliberately trolling this thread or just looking for the rise but you are one of the worst "defenders" of travellers on this thread. I'll leave it at that, as I don't want to get banned.

The Satanist

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Maoris existed in New Zealand for hundreds of years before the British went over. There is no comparison between Maoris and Travellers. Travellers don't know where they came from. The accepted view is that they are a splinter group of native Irish who were displaced from the North in the 1600's. They lived a nomadic life and kept to themselves. They were self sufficient and got by, by doing seasonal farm work and mending pots and pans, hence the name "tinkers".

It's a recent trend that they have become completely depend on the welfare state to live. 100 years ago they were self sufficient and lived in caravans with no running water or electricity. Now we have third and fourth generation "Travellers" living in houses who consider themselves "settled Travellers" but still a different ethnic group. Nonsense. The only reason they are genetically different to regular Irish people is that for 400 years they have been marrying first cousins. That's not a good thing or something that should be encouraged because of "culture".

I remember back in the eighties, they'd call around the doors asking for old clothes and a tin of beans. We'd usually oblige too, throw in 50p or a pound if we could. "I'll say a prayer for you, ma'am", and they'd be on their way. If you needed a car part you'd go over to the tinkers in Finglas, near where Dunsink dump used up be. There was never the crime, welfare, feuds that is all they are known for now.

normanoffside

So apparently the YouTube show she is a guest on is out on Sunday. Presenter Bernard Sweeney thinks Mags is a natural and will soon have her own show.

Should be interesting.

tuxy

I had suspected that it was Bernard Sweeney writing her facebook posts that were not in text speak.
It will be a very one sided discussion, needless to say the conclusion will be that Leo is not only robbing her blind but also trying to murder travellers.

Tiguan Joe

BUMP

The Satanist

Sweeney is a socialist and community activist whose campaign promotes an anti-austerity message and Travellers' rights

facepalm/rolleyes mega-combo

tuxy

So travellers are socialist? That explains why it's not my heating oil in the tank beside my house, it's our heating oil

The Satanist

tuxy wrote: »

So travellers are socialist? That explains why it's not my heating oil in the tank beside my house, it's our heating oil

I think it's safe to say they are in favour of the welfare state.

Gimme A Pound

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It boggles my mind that people can be this obtuse. I don't know if you are deliberately trolling this thread or just looking for the rise but you are one of the worst "defenders" of travellers on this thread.

Absolutely. What sort of weird thrill do these people get by downplaying and misrepresenting the indefensible.

normanoffside

tuxy wrote: »

So travellers are socialist? That explains why it's not my heating oil in the tank beside my house, it's our heating oil

He probably wears a a Che Guevara shirt, not realising that Guevara would have locked him up and Chopped Maggies hands off.

Thoie

Goldengirl wrote: »

I addressed that as I will again . That is not an excuse, no matter how difficult.

Are you saying that if the council have provided an environment meeting all fire safety regulations, then the residents deliberately do something that negates all the fire safety, it's the council's fault?

If I remove the air bags from my car and don't wear a seat belt, then drive into a wall, is that the car manufacturer's fault?

Plumbthedepths

Thoie wrote:

If I remove the air bags from my car and don't wear a seat belt, then drive into a wall, is that the car manufacturer's fault?

Only if you are a traveller, if not it's your own fault.

Thoie

Thoie wrote: »

Are you saying that if the council have provided an environment meeting all fire safety regulations, then the residents deliberately do something that negates all the fire safety, it's the council's fault?

If I remove the air bags from my car and don't wear a seat belt, then drive into a wall, is that the car manufacturer's fault?

No, silly. It’s the councils fault for putting the wall there!

BattleCorp

Goldengirl wrote: »

Anyone can see that this thread uses M.Cash to rant and rail against travellers , who are a distinct ethnic group , whether ye choose to accept that or not, and that is racism. .

Even if they are a distinct ethnic group (which I don't agree with,), it isn't racist to point out the sizeable criminal and anti-social goings-on in their community.

I'm guessing that you've never had to put up with their sh1t or had stuff pilfered by them or else you wouldn't be defending them to the hilt.

Seriously though, do you not see something wrong with one section of the community going take, take, take and making things sh1t for everyone else?

And yes, I know lots of settled people act in a similar behaviour too and I'm equally p1ssed off with them too.

I'll leave you with these two points.

1. If there is no endemic problem of criminality and anti-social behaviour in the traveller community, what explanation can you give for the much much higher percentage of traveller adults in jail when compared to the numbers of the settled community in jail?

2. How is it racist to point out criminality and anti-social behaviour where it occurs.

sexmag

BattleCorp wrote: »

Even if they are a distinct ethnic group (which I don't agree with,), it isn't racist to point out the sizeable criminal and anti-social goings-on in their community.

I'm guessing that you've never had to put up with their sh1t or had stuff pilfered by them or else you wouldn't be defending them to the hilt.

Seriously though, do you not see something wrong with one section of the community going take, take, take and making things sh1t for everyone else?

And yes, I know lots of settled people act in a similar behaviour too and I'm equally p1ssed off with them too.

I'll leave you with these two points.

1. If there is no endemic problem of criminality and anti-social behaviour in the traveller community, what explanation can you give for the much much higher percentage of traveller adults in jail when compared to the numbers of the settled community in jail?

2. How is it racist to point out criminality and anti-social behaviour where it occurs.

Also it's not hate or racist to point these things out.

What would be racist or hate is if people started saying "I f**king hate travellers, I wish they would die,im going to hurt them etc"

We are not and I for one actually wouldn't condone that behaviour and would actively discourage it,regardless of how I feel about travellers.

To point out an ethinc groups statistically proven facts is not racist dispite how unbecoming they are for that group

Omackeral

Thoie wrote: »

Are you saying that if the council have provided an environment meeting all fire safety regulations, then the residents deliberately do something that negates all the fire safety, it's the council's fault?

If I remove the air bags from my car and don't wear a seat belt, then drive into a wall, is that the car manufacturer's fault?

Not only would it be their fault, it would be racist too.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Goldengirl wrote: »

The Maoris are New Zealand 's ethnic group.

You're actually comparing the Māori to Travellers?

The Māori migrated from Polynesia in the 13th century. Many European migrants, of mostly British and Irish origin, arrived in the 19th century and now make up three-quarters of the population. Today, the Māori are clearly an ethnic minority.

But Travellers don't come from anywhere else. They are as Irish as the rest of us. Scientific tests show that the minor genetic differences between Travellers and settled Irish people stems from the Traveller tradition of consanguineous marriage (i.e., marrying their cousins) over the past 150-odd years.

People don't transform into a different ethnicity by sleeping with their cousins. Travellers' recognition as an ethnic minority was done to appease lobby groups like Pavee Point, rather than because there's any objective basis for it.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Thoie wrote: »

If I remove the air bags from my car and don't wear a seat belt, then drive into a wall, is that the car manufacturer's fault?

No, no, no, you're doing it all wrong.

Remove the airbags from your car, don't wear a seat belt, slam on your brakes in traffic to trigger a rear-end collision, and then $$$$$$$$.

KrustyUCC

Also make sure to have as many family members as possible in the car at the time as well

More $$$$$$$$.

Gravelly

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

No, no, no, you're doing it all wrong.

Remove the airbags from your car, don't wear a seat belt, slam on your brakes in traffic to trigger a rear-end collision, and then $$$$$$$$.

I've a friend who's a guard in a town well known for its traveller population. He attended a "crash" there recently in which a taxi with 3 travellers in it was rear-ended by another car. The car which rear-ended it barely touched the bumper - leaving no mark whatsoever - the other car drove off immediately. The taxi driver wasn't even going to stop, until all three travellers began screaming in pain. They insisted the emergency services were called, and when they arrived, claimed they all had neck injuries and insisted the fire brigade cut the roof off the car to remove them. Once the roof was cut off and neck collars attached to the "patients" they happily got out of the car, removed the collars and walked to the ambulance. The taxi driver told my friend that one of them had been on her phone giving their exact location to someone else just before the "crash" which of course was their accomplice in the car that tipped them.

Apparently this has become a regular thing now, with travellers having "accidents" in taxi's, and insisting that they have neck collars or spine boards fitted (requiring the destruction of the car and hours of fire brigade and ambulance time) so that their "injuries" are more serious.

KrustyUCC

Great to have every angle covered ...

Plumbthedepths

Gravelly wrote:

Apparently this has become a regular thing now, with travellers having "accidents" in taxi's, and insisting that they have neck collars or spine boards fitted (requiring the destruction of the car and hours of fire brigade and ambulance time) so that their "injuries" are more serious.

Unfortunately for the 'thickos' in the travelling community that engage in this activity they are challenged by the insurance companies in court. Hopefully a move towards imposing costs on spurious claims becomes automatic.

Gravelly

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Unfortunately for the 'thickos' in the travelling community that engage in this activity they are challenged by the insurance companies in court. Hopefully a move towards imposing costs on spurious claims becomes automatic.

Apparently this new scam is an attempt to get around the challenges - presumably by having "evidence" that they required a neck collar / spine board after their "accident" to back up the unprovable back/neck pain that they claim for.

sligojoek

Gravelly wrote: »

I've a friend who's a guard in a town well known for its traveller population. He attended a "crash" there recently in which a taxi with 3 travellers in it was rear-ended by another car. The car which rear-ended it barely touched the bumper - leaving no mark whatsoever - the other car drove off immediately. The taxi driver wasn't even going to stop, until all three travellers began screaming in pain. They insisted the emergency services were called, and when they arrived, claimed they all had neck injuries and insisted the fire brigade cut the roof off the car to remove them. Once the roof was cut off and neck collars attached to the "patients" they happily got out of the car, removed the collars and walked to the ambulance. The taxi driver told my friend that one of them had been on her phone giving their exact location to someone else just before the "crash" which of course was their accomplice in the car that tipped them.

Apparently this has become a regular thing now, with travellers having "accidents" in taxi's, and insisting that they have neck collars or spine boards fitted (requiring the destruction of the car and hours of fire brigade and ambulance time) so that their "injuries" are more serious.

That carry on was going on in Nenagh 20 yrs ago. It came to the stage no taxi would take a fare from Carthy's Cross halting site. "Sorry love. I'm busy for the next three hours". It would do the fat f*cks no harm to walk the 2km into town anyway.

Gravelly

sligojoek wrote: »

That carry on was going on in Nenagh 20 yrs ago. It came to the stage no taxi would take a fare from Carthy's Cross halting site. "Sorry love. I'm busy for the next three hours". It would do the fat f*cks no harm to walk the 2km into town anyway.

Was it? I'd never heard of it before - or at least the insistence on neck collars and spine boards part anyay.

Plumbthedepths

Someone needs to break it to the idiots that the insurance companies are wise to their scams, hence why the spate of recent traveller related claims for soft tissue injuries have been thrown out of court.

BattleCorp

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Unfortunately for the 'thickos' in the travelling community that engage in this activity they are challenged by the insurance companies in court. Hopefully a move towards imposing costs on spurious claims becomes automatic.

I deal with personal injury claims for a good percentage of my working week and I can assure you that only a small percentage of these spurious claims are 'thrown out of court'.

All that happens when they get caught out for exaggerating their injuries is that they get up and walk away - scott free.

And even if costs were awarded against them, they wouldn't pay.

Unless there is an unbelievable overhaul of the system, there won't be a significant change in this behaviour.

hurler32

Is it any wonder why so many people voted for Peter Casey ??

Two parties though really seem to be on the travellers side ... unlikely bedfellows but

Fine Gael who gave them special ethnic status , Leo who told people not to vote for Casey .. not to mention Fine Gael closing most rural Garda stations allowing traveller gangs do what they want ..or is it

Sinn Fein who can’t be far off making John Connors their president and are constantly defending travellers after all sorts of mad stuff ..even their counciller in Thurles resigned in the past fortnight over Sinn Fein head office backing travellers in Thurles who wanted stables with their new houses ..

blanch152

Goldengirl wrote: »

Have you been ranting and railing about travellers? If you have and you genuinely see yourself as a protector of women, you could take a good look at this thread and ask why denigrating a section of the population for how they speak, dress, live and talk, is ever right. A lot of people see racism as what happens far away from them, and can't admit to it right under their noses. I don't agree with many aspects of traveller culture, especially the treatment of women and children, but I can't accept this blanket bashing of every traveller in the country. It us dangerous to allow what is hate speech, go unchallenged.
But to be honest , boards.ie allows this, on Afterhours, and I wonder if some of the more extreme and regular posters on this sort of thread are in fact paid boardsies trying to rack up text counts.

I have not been ranting and railing about travellers. I have criticised many many aspects of traveller culture from its deeply misogynistic practices to its tolerance and encouragement of criminality.

For Margaret Cash, I have nothing but pity. As a young Traveller girl, taken out of education at a young age, married off to a brute of a husband, turned into a baby factory, what chance did she ever have? Margaret Cash is a product of a deeply problematic traveller culture and will carry the scars of that culture for the rest of her life.

I have repeatedly asked for positive aspects of traveller culture and have yet to be given any unique example.

Gravelly

blanch152 wrote: »

I have not been ranting and railing about travellers. I have criticised many many aspects of traveller culture from its deeply misogynistic practices to its tolerance and encouragement of criminality.

For Margaret Cash, I have nothing but pity. As a young Traveller girl, taken out of education at a young age, married off to a brute of a husband, turned into a baby factory, what chance did she ever have? Margaret Cash is a product of a deeply problematic traveller culture and will carry the scars of that culture for the rest of her life.

I have repeatedly asked for positive aspects of traveller culture and have yet to be given any unique example.

You, I, and many others have repeatedly asked for any positive or unique features of traveller culture on this and many other threads ad nauseum, and as yet I haven't been given a single one either - if travellers are a seperate ethnicity, I can't understand why nobody can give us some examples of their unique culture. I could list off unique aspects of just about any other culture, from the aztecs to the zulus, yet nobody can find one for the travellers. It's almost as if they aren't really a separate ethnicity with their own unique culture at all, and the whole thing was made up to scam money and deflect criticism......

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Goldengirl wrote: »

If you have and you genuinely see yourself as a protector of women, you could take a good look at this thread and ask why denigrating a section of the population for how they speak, dress, live and talk, is ever right.

We're talking about a culture where girls are taken out of school at the age of 12, in case they become attracted to settled boys.

A culture that routinely marries girls off to their first and second cousins while they are still in their teens. This Traveller bride appeared on a reality TV show. She was 16 years and one day old when she got married.



A culture that is extremely patriarchal, and that expects a woman, once she is married, to be completely subservient to her husband in all things.

A culture that frowns on the use of contraception, and where 40 percent of Traveller women have 6 or more children.

A culture of pervasive domestic violence, where between 60 and 80 percent of married Traveller women report being physically abused by their husbands.

And a culture of pervasive criminality, where more than one in five women in Irish prisons are Travellers.

I find it hard to see how caring about women is compatible with defending Traveller culture.

Paddy Cow

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Doesn't she look so happy and excited to be getting married!

Omackeral

They don't seem all that overly enthused with homosexuals, people of different races (ironically, I guess) and those with disabilities either.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Paddy Cow wrote: »

Doesn't she look so happy and excited to be getting married!

I'm sure she was excited about beginning her career as a teenage baby factory mere hours after this photo was taken.

tayto lover

sligojoek wrote: »

That carry on was going on in Nenagh 20 yrs ago. It came to the stage no taxi would take a fare from Carthy's Cross halting site. "Sorry love. I'm busy for the next three hours". It would do the fat f*cks no harm to walk the 2km into town anyway.

Same was happening in Dundalk in the 1980’s.

Gravelly

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

I'm sure she was excited about beginning her career as a teenage baby factory mere hours after this photo was taken.

Not to mention a punchbag - a report a while ago showed traveller women are at least 30 times more likely to suffer domestic abuse than "settled" women, but predicted that rates are actually much higher even than that because domestic abuse is so ingrained in traveller "culture" that many traveller women don't even realise that being beaten by their husbands is wrong.

LollipopJimmy

Omackeral wrote: »

They don't seem all that overly enthused with homosexuals, people of different races (ironically, I guess) and those with disabilities either.

Genuine question, is the hatred of people with disabilities born from some sort of religious thing a la Glenn Hoddle or is it that the father is seen as less of a man if he has a child with a disability?

Paddy Cow

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Genuine question, is the hatred of people with disabilities born from some sort of religious thing a la Glenn Hoddle or is it that the father is seen as less of a man if he has a child with a disability?

I'd imagine it's because they will require life long support without contributing themselves. Which is ironic.

normanoffside

Omackeral wrote: »

They don't seem all that overly enthused with homosexuals, people of different races (ironically, I guess) and those with disabilities either.

Yes, thats what gets me.
They are most racist and discriminatory element of irish society, yet when people criticise their culture then they are the racist ones. Go figure.

Mad_maxx

normanoffside wrote: »

Yes, thats what gets me.
They are most racist and discriminatory element of irish society, yet when people criticise their culture then they are the racist ones. Go figure.

Minorities are held to a lower standard.

Political correctness 101

BattleCorp

Omackeral wrote: »

They don't seem all that overly enthused with homosexuals, people of different races (ironically, I guess) and those with disabilities either.

They aren't overly enthused with us settled people either seeing as a common insult is for one traveller to call another traveller a "country man" or "country boy". Their word for us is "country people"

Apparently being likened to a settled person is an awful slur on a traveller.

KrustyUCC

Margaret shared this post

Guests on new Traveller-led channel to include Peter Casey

Presidential candidate saw popularity rise after controversial remarks about Traveller culture

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/guests-on-new-traveller-led-channel-to-include-peter-casey-1.3778097

Of course the article is written by Kitty Holland one of the guests on the show

Vincent Browne's quotes are interesting

Danged racist society

Browne said racism against Travellers was “almost part of the DNA of the settled community”

Aha

Nothing to do with traveller behaviour

Mad_maxx

Gravelly wrote: »

I've a friend who's a guard in a town well known for its traveller population. He attended a "crash" there recently in which a taxi with 3 travellers in it was rear-ended by another car. The car which rear-ended it barely touched the bumper - leaving no mark whatsoever - the other car drove off immediately. The taxi driver wasn't even going to stop, until all three travellers began screaming in pain. They insisted the emergency services were called, and when they arrived, claimed they all had neck injuries and insisted the fire brigade cut the roof off the car to remove them. Once the roof was cut off and neck collars attached to the "patients" they happily got out of the car, removed the collars and walked to the ambulance. The taxi driver told my friend that one of them had been on her phone giving their exact location to someone else just before the "crash" which of course was their accomplice in the car that tipped them.

Apparently this has become a regular thing now, with travellers having "accidents" in taxi's, and insisting that they have neck collars or spine boards fitted (requiring the destruction of the car and hours of fire brigade and ambulance time) so that their "injuries" are more serious.

They are arranging crashes with Dublin bus drivers as well, heard that from someone in Dublin bus

Paddy Cow

BattleCorp wrote: »

Apparently being likened to a settled person is an awful slur on a traveller.

In fairness, that works the other way as well :pac:

ShaneC93

I had thought this TraVision thing was an actual TV channel or show but no.. it's a YouTube channel with some of the worst production I've seen in a while - 90s / Windows movie-maker default graphics & transitions!

https://www.facebook.com/100007227857780/videos/2227940954123478/ (You can watch without a FB account)

On an actual TV channel they might have a hope of getting some non-traveller people to watch it but the only folks that are going to sit through that on YouTube will be the travellers who sit on Facebook all-day everyday with nothing better to do.

Gravelly

ShaneC93 wrote: »

I had thought this TraVision thing was an actual TV channel or show but no.. it's a YouTube channel with some of the worst production I've seen in a while - 90s / Windows movie-maker default graphics & transitions!

https://www.facebook.com/100007227857780/videos/2227940954123478/ (You can watch without a FB account)

On an actual TV channel they might have a hope of getting some non-traveller people to watch it but the only folks that are going to sit through that on YouTube will be the travellers who sit on Facebook all-day everyday with nothing better to do.

I thought the same.

If he hadn't said he was a traveller I wouldn't have guessed it. He'd want to cut the script a bit though, he goes on way too much.

padd b1975

BattleCorp wrote: »

I deal with personal injury claims for a good percentage of my working week and I can assure you that only a small percentage of these spurious claims are 'thrown out of court'.

All that happens when they get caught out for exaggerating their injuries is that they get up and walk away - scott free.

And even if costs were awarded against them, they wouldn't pay.

Unless there is an unbelievable overhaul of the system, there won't be a significant change in this behaviour.

Does a spurious claim affect their insurance renewal costs?