Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Plumbthedepths

Kivaro wrote:

Lads, after looking at the last post above, I wouldn't be inclined to feed it.

You're right saw him/her called out as a troll on another thread. Not saying they are but a pattern is emerging. Time to engage the ignore button.

Plumbthedepths

How many attempts at closing the thread has been made, anyone know? I think the Tyrant is the lastest to try .

Kimbot

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The internet is wonderful, isn't it?

All sorts of head-bangers can make all sorts of statements, and never have to back them up.

Ah well. We can all judge these posters on the basis of their evidence, or lack thereof.

What statement did I make???

Plumbthedepths

Kimbot wrote:

What statement did I make???

I wouldn't bother with this person anymore, this behaviour typifies there interaction on every thread they comment on. The idea is to wind you up, get you banned or close the thread.

freshpopcorn

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

How many attempts at closing the thread has been made, anyone know? I think the Tyrant is the lastest to try .

I don't really get it somebody lands into the thread every few weeks and states their disgust in people talking about somebody in the media/homelessness/our welfare system/criminality/how these things can be changed/etc.
They then seem to say they don't care and don't know why people are posting in the thread.
I don't like certain things/have no interest in discussing them. I don't land into the threads tough call the posters names and call for the threads to be closed.

Plumbthedepths

freshpopcorn wrote:

I don't really get it somebody lands into the thread every few weeks and states their disgust in people talking about somebody in the media/homelessness/our welfare system/criminality/how these things can be changed/etc. They then seem to say they don't care and don't know why people are posting in the thread. I don't like certain things/have no interest in discussing them. I don't land into the threads tough call the posters names and call for the threads to be closed.

It's amazing how many people are in favour of censorship. lol.

na1

hurler32 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/three-brothers-are-jailed-on-same-day-after-separate-vicious-attacks-37821957.html

A fair achievement for this Ennis Co Clare traveller family .....Ennis is a town that has a growing traveller crime problem which is ruining what was once a lovely town .

Poor little angels!

Damien Sherlock (27),
... Damien Sherlock has 110 previous convictions,

10 convictions a year, (if he started getting convicted at the age of 16)

NIMAN

na1 wrote: »

Poor little angels!



10 convictions a year, (if he started getting convicted at the age of 16)

And they wonder why they are unemployable?

If you were an employer would you take on a 27 year old with so many convictions?

I wouldn't, and it's not racist. I wouldn't take on a settled person with 110 convictions either.

normanoffside

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I asked for evidence in relation to travellers, in general.

I won't get it, mind you, but asking is half the battle.

Yet as soon as people get your 'Evidence', read it, question it and point out it doesn't back up your claims; you disappear?

na1

Dtp1979 wrote: »

I’m sure this has been said, but why is cash still entitled to a council house when she has 100k to fall back on??

I never said I was poor. I said I was homeless

(c)

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I told you she claimed the government was robbing her blind despite all her income is derived from the state. Another poster linked the radio interview to where she made this claim which I see you ignored so you can claim ignorance. So maybe scoot back a few posts and listen to the interview. You did ask for a hard question, so again can you explain Mags logic as to how the state is robbing her blind considering all her income is given to her by the state.

I'm asking you a simple question - what's the quote you're asking me to respond to?

I've listened to the interview, and didn't hear the quote you raised. Can you quote her words back to me, which you'd like me to respond to?

Patrick2010

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I'm asking you a simple question - what's the quote you're asking me to respond to?

I've listened to the interview, and didn't hear the quote you raised. Can you quote her words back to me, which you'd like me to respond to?

What was the quote?

Gen.Zhukov

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The internet is wonderful, isn't it?

All sorts of head-bangers can make all sorts of statements, and never have to back them up.

I'll just leave one of your quotes of stats (that you repeatedly used, even after it was debunked) here.

If I were a traveller, and half the adults in my community were dying before the age of 40, and I had been bullied out of school at an early age, and one in every ten babies born in my community was dying before the age of two, I honestly don't think I'd give a flying **** about the settled community.

"half the adults in my community were dying before the age of 40"
"one in every ten babies born in my community was dying before the age of two"

Bollocks!

Gen.Zhukov

Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

I'll just leave one of your quotes of stats (that you repeatedly used, even after it was debunked) here.




"half the adults in my community were dying before the age of 40"
"one in every ten babies born in my community was dying before the age of two"

Bollocks!

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

freshpopcorn

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

How do you mean we don't recognise it now?
I'm always hearing Pavee Point and John Connors say that the government and people in Ireland aren't doing enough for them..
Take the situation in Thurles. The council built nice bungalows for members of the travelling community.(Modern, insulated houses)(They'd benefit a lot of elderly people who are living in older colder houses it would improve your life expectancy.) and the travellers refused to move into them because they were no stables on site.
They almost seems to be this belief within the community that you have a right to own a horse because it's benefits your mental health.
Lot's of people like keeping animals but they can only do it when the situation allows them to care for the animal correctly and they can afford it. They are even talks about some areas banning trotting. This is popular with in the travelling community. Will future generations look down on us if we banned it?
There's also the situation of a high school drop out rate. The government has provided various things in the last few decades to encourage people to stay in school longer. This includes L.C.A, Youth Reach and various PLC courses not to mention the availability of grants. These are positive great things.
However they still seems to be an issue with school drop out rates in the travelling community.
So, what should be done? Take the children/teenagers into care for poor attendance or fine the parents/cut social welfare. Would these measures go down well now or is there a nicer approach they could take.I know we can provide classes/courses that may interest people but it is important you can get employment from them. (This goes for all society who may have difficulty staying in education)

BattleCorp

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

Is traveller health and life expectancy not a result of their actions rather than them being denied their human rights?

While I have no proof of this, it's my belief that education plays a big part in the reduction of traveller life expectancy. But unfortunately most travellers appear to shun education. Travellers are allowed to go to school and learn. They are actually legally obliged to go but often choose to leave education at an early age. How is that a human rights issue? They have equality of opportunity when it comes to education.

Travellers are allowed to eat healthy foods. They choose not to. A long term diet of fast food and red bull can't be good for you in the long run. How is that a human rights issue?

Most travellers have medical cards and aren't denied access to medical treatment. How is that a human rights issue?

Travellers aren't legally required to get married at a young age but they choose to run to Northern Ireland and get married at 16 years of age. Again, they are not forced by the system to do that. How is that a human rights issue?

Seriously, 99% of the problems of travellers are related to their culture and not to human rights issues.

You said we will be judged harshly for our apathy. What are we supposed to do? It's a no-win situation for us. The only way to increase their life expectancy is to destroy their culture and make them live more like us. And they don't want that.

Deebles McBeebles

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We had them camp at the front gate to our farm once upon a time. Lovely people, wonderful horsemanship, very enviable. Even managed to sell them a pony. No regrets.

That must be the same farm they send all the old, sick dogs to. I bet the f*ckin pony regretted it shortly after. How could anyone in their right mind sell an animal to a traveller.

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I don't really get it somebody lands into the thread every few weeks and states their disgust in people talking about somebody in the media/homelessness/our welfare system/criminality/how these things can be changed/etc.
They then seem to say they don't care and don't know why people are posting in the thread.
I don't like certain things/have no interest in discussing them. I don't land into the threads tough call the posters names and call for the threads to be closed.

Its unreal. All its doing is detracting from the discussion and giving the likes of Tyrant and the everlasting BB Fan high blood pressure.

eviltwin

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

Travellers have the same resources the rest of us have when it comes to health, the government can only do so much. Again where does personal responsibility come into this?

One thing that is an issue is the exceptionally high suicide rate in the traveller community but again that has more to do with their own attitudes and the stereotypes they embrace rather than anything else.

Ush1

How do all these employers even know these people applying for jobs are travellers?

Sweet.Science

I genuinely dont know where they get the money. Travellers bought a house close to me for 330k.
At the start i thought the council provided bought it privately for them. However it was renovated straight away the council normally leave them idle until they have the money
2 161 vehicles in the driveway aswel

punisher5112

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I genuinely dont know where they get the money. Travellers bought a house close to me for 330k.
At the start i thought the council provided bought it privately for them. However it was renovated straight away the council normally leave them idle until they have the money
2 161 vehicles in the driveway aswel

Scams, theft, drugs, re selling stuff stolen...... Etc etc.

Dodgy driveway and cleaning services also.

sideswipe

na1 wrote: »

Poor little angels!



10 convictions a year, (if he started getting convicted at the age of 16)

If that’s his conviction rate, imagine what he’s getting away with!

Gen.Zhukov

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

Yes, those stats are indeed hard to believe mainly because they are not accurate. This was pointed out to you before as seen below, but you continue to use/believe them and throw them out as facts.

Originally Posted by A Tyrant Named Miltiades!
It comes from a major survey, published about 10 years ago, called Travellers' Last Rights: Responding to Death in a Cultural Context

Vox Nihill:
Thanks. I just looked it up.

Vox Nihill:
The findings are contained in a new book, 'Travellers' Last Rights: Responding to Death in a Cultural Context', compiled by the Parish of the Travelling People from data related to 255 people and collated between 1995 and 2004 in the Dublin area.
I'd note that the Parish of the Travelling People is a religious group, and so I'd wonder about their qualifications to compile mortality statistics? Also, the conclusions are based on data on just 255 people? And the data were collated between 1995 and 2004, so some of the data is over 20 years old?

The All-Ireland Traveller Health Study, released in 2010, does show that travellers have lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality than the settled population. Life expectancy for travellers is estimated to be 61.7 for men and 70.1 for women, while infant mortality in the traveller population is estimated at 14.1 per 1,000 live births. But I find it hard to reconcile these stats with the claim that half of all travellers die before age 40 or that 10 percent of traveller children die before age 2.

Edgware

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

Ooooh. I'll have sleepless nights worrying about what future generations think of us

Effects

eviltwin wrote: »

Travellers have the same resources the rest of us have when it comes to health.

I'd argue that they have more than some.

Edgware

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We had them camp at the front gate to our farm once upon a time. Lovely people, wonderful horsemanship, very enviable. Even managed to sell them a pony. No regrets.

I'm sure all the local I.F.A. members will agree with you. Just wait till you are visited one night by some of their extended family. Gob****es like you deserve what you get

ShaneC93

Off on a quick mid-term city break!

KrustyUCC

That can't be cheap for her and the seven angles

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Yet as soon as people get your 'Evidence', read it, question it and point out it doesn't back up your claims; you disappear?

I'm on my phone. It's a nightmare trying to multi quote using the mobile app. I have read all the replies, will reply when I'm back at my desk. Chill, petal.

inforfun

You deserve a break

Wonder what the answer is when you ask the people typing that why she deserves a break.

ohnonotgmail

inforfun wrote: »

Wonder what the answer is when you ask the people typing that why she deserves a break.

and a break from what exactly?

Ha Long Bay

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and a break from what exactly?

Shoplifting.

Boom_Bap

john4321 wrote: »

Shoplifting.

Ah hear, that's an awful thing to say. There are plenty of shops in England.

inforfun

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and a break from what exactly?

Also a good question.

Edgware

ShaneC93 wrote: »

Off on a quick mid-term city break!

Anywhere in particular we should avoid

KrustyUCC

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That can't be cheap for her and the seven angles

She never said that she’s poor. Just homeless.

nice_guy80

they don't even give the young kids a chance!

most traveller families do not take up the free preschool place that are FREE for their children. ITS FREE!!! you just have to bring them there 5 days a week. maybe thats the issue - no free transport.
where the kids might learn a few basic skills to help them - washing hands, social skills, proper language and vocabulary, counting, letters, how to play etc
any difficulties might be picked up on - speech and language, sight etc that could be treated while the child is young

they land into primary school at 5.
usually with no uniform, books or anything.
Then go running to the local social welfare officer to look for more money for that.

punisher5112

nice_guy80 wrote: »

they don't even give the young kids a chance!

most traveller families do not take up the free preschool place that are FREE for their children. ITS FREE!!! you just have to bring them there 5 days a week. maybe thats the issue - no free transport.
where the kids might learn a few basic skills to help them - washing hands, social skills, proper language and vocabulary, counting, letters, how to play etc
any difficulties might be picked up on - speech and language, sight etc that could be treated while the child is young

they land into primary school at 5.
usually with no uniform, books or anything.
Then go running to the local social welfare officer to look for more money for that.

Eh..... They do get free travel buses and mini buses are put on for them to pick them up.

It's actually shocking how much is provided it would make those working and actually doing everything to get their kids to school at cost cry.....

Fr_Dougal

Deleted User wrote: »

She never said that she’s poor. Just homeless.

True...yet she still feels the need to steal...

Deebles McBeebles

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

True...yet she still feels the need to steal...

Steal the hearts of the Irish people? You know, the ones telling her to enjoy her deserved break.

Going to Galway for a night next month and I thought I was living it up. This whole work situation really gets in the way.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

holliehobbie wrote: »

Isn't it illegal to get married at 15?

Before this year it was possible for people under 18 to marry if they got permission from the Circuit Family Court or High Court.

As of 1 January 2019, under the Domestic Violence Act 2018, people under 18 can no longer apply to the Irish courts for permission to marry. In practice, teenage Travellers will now go to Northern Ireland or England, where 16-year-olds can marry with their parents' or guardians' permission.

DEFTLEFTHAND

She's probably visiting family members over in England.

Deebles McBeebles

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

She's probably visiting family members over in England.

Do you reckon they got back from New Zealand by now?

KrustyUCC

Deleted User wrote: »

She never said that she’s poor. Just homeless.

Ha true that

Sad thing is that she is 100% dependent on taxpayers but yet can afford a week in England with the seven angles and things like Fiona Todhunter communion dress for her daughter, Jas Fagan €600 on a communion suit for her son

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I wonder hoe many older users of this forum didn't stay in school until the age of 17 or 18?

Some settled children leave school early too, of course, but the disparity is striking: 86 percent of the settled population complete secondary education, as compared with just 8 percent of Travellers.

The OECD's Education at a Glance report notes that employment prospects for people without a Leaving Cert have plummeted in recent years. Less than half of early school-leavers now get jobs. Unsurprisingly, one in four female early school-leavers and one in five males report suffering from depression.

The message is clear -- someone who leaves school between age 12 and 15, as most Travellers do, has little chance at a future that does not involve social welfare dependency or crime.

Early school-leaving and early marriage, both designed to protect the insularity and thus continuity of Traveller culture, are at the core of Travellers' social problems. These "traditions" ensure that many Travellers end up illiterate and saddled with children even before they are out of their teens. While young settled women are off in university furthering their education and preparing for a career, many of their Traveller peers are stuck in a caravan pregnant and/or raising kids, without even a Junior Cert to their name.

This has to end. But by recognizing Travellers as an ethnic minority, defending their "culture" to the hilt, and characterizing any criticism of Travellers as racist right-wing bigotry, the liberal left is only standing in the way of change.

freshpopcorn

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I genuinely dont know where they get the money. Travellers bought a house close to me for 330k.
At the start i thought the council provided bought it privately for them. However it was renovated straight away the council normally leave them idle until they have the money
2 161 vehicles in the driveway aswel

I know in my area the council bought houses for travellers a few years ago.
They did them up fast enough to bring them up to regulations.

dermo888

'This has to end' - correct. The worst of it has to end. But its a matter of persuasion. Look at how the Aboriginal community in Australia are handled, a community far more disadvantaged and loathed compared to the Irish Travellers. The gypsies in continental Europe are despised too, due to their abject criminality and inability to conform to modern societal norms.

Ri_Nollaig

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

Some settled children leave school early too, of course, but the disparity is striking: 86 percent of the settled population complete secondary education, as compared with just 8 percent of Travellers.

The OECD's Education at a Glance report notes that employment prospects for people without a Leaving Cert have plummeted in recent years. Less than half of early school-leavers now get jobs. Unsurprisingly, one in four female early school leavers and one in five males reporting suffering from depression.

The message is clear -- someone who leaves school between age 12 and 15, as most Travellers do, has little chance at a future that does not involve social welfare dependency or crime.

Early school-leaving and early marriage, both designed to protect the insularity and thus continuity of Traveller culture, are at the core of Travellers' social problems. These "traditions" ensure that many Travellers end up illiterate and saddled with children even before they are out of their teens. While young settled women are off in university furthering their education and preparing for a career, many of their Traveller peers are stuck in a caravan pregnant and/or raising kids, without even a Junior Cert to their name.

This has to end. But by recognizing Travellers as an ethnic minority, defending their "culture" to the hilt, and characterizing any criticism of Travellers as racist right-wing bigotry, the liberal left is only standing in the way of change.

If I could thank this twice I would.

It sums up the problem perfectly. Education is the key to solving it but in the quest to be seen as progressive as possible the liberal types have only made it worse!

Lollipops23

dermo888 wrote: »

'This has to end' - correct. The worst of it has to end. But its a matter of persuasion. Look at how the Aboriginal community in Australia are handled, a community far more disadvantaged and loathed compared to the Irish Travellers. The gypsies in continental Europe are despised too, due to their abject criminality and inability to conform to modern societal norms.

I mean I'm native Irish (as far back as anyone in either side of the family knows, at least 5-6 generations in the Pale, never mind anywhere else!).

Those DNA kit yokes say we're 96% Irish, although I take that with a grain of salt.

Where does it end?

blanch152

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Those stats are indeed hard to believe, but i am quoting directly from the available research.

Traveller health and life expectancy is the greatest human rights crisis in modern Ireland - we don't recognise it now, but future generations will judge us harshly for our apathy.

The last Census looked at travellers in depth.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8itd/

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp8iter/p8iter/p8itseah/


What these figures show us is that traveller culture results in women being taken out of education at a young age, married off and turned into baby factories.

Some say traveller culture is a good thing, I don't.

Now it doesn't have figures on life expectancy, but the population profiles would support the idea that there is a lower life expectancy.