Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Claw Hammer

Silent Running wrote: »

Ah right, so they'd be happy enough if I rocked up and stole their stuff and beat up their grannies while I'm there?

They know you would if you could, that is why they get in first.

Alrigghtythen

Claw Hammer wrote: »

They know you would if you could, that is why they get in first.

I have no interest in either robbing their possessions or their granny.

punisher5112

Thou shall not steal....

Donald Trump

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

I have no interest in either robbing their possessions or their granny.

I tried to find the Father Ted clip of Mrs. Doyle and the other oul' wan in the cafe talking about some woman who was literally robbed . No joy though

Ash.J.Williams

Rechuchote wrote: »

Travellers have exceptionally high levels of kidney disease from sleeping rough, and type 2 diabetes from an almost complete lack of nutritional education, as well as the standard Irish diseases, such as asthma (Ireland has the fourth highest rate of asthma in the world). So these people are likely to be as sick as you.

This is why it's good to get Travellers decently housed so they can have a more stable life, and take advantage of education for their children and learn to cook and eat nutritiously.

Stable life

Claw Hammer

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

I have no interest in either robbing their possessions or their granny.

Have travelers ever stolen your possessions or your granny?

Rechuchote

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Hard to house them when they keep thrashing and burning down the houses??

When has this happened?

Travellers have twice the infant mortality of the settled in Ireland. (This has dropped from being three times the national rate in the 1990s http://www.paveepoint.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PrimaryHealthCare05.pdf)

They have twice the rate of diabetes of the general population https://www.irishtimes.com/news/diabetes-and-metabolic-disorders-twice-as-common-among-travellers-1.694344

As for nutritional education, yes, I do think it's important to educate any community that doesn't have a family source of vital information that may save their health.

Health and the Travelling Community: http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=1079

There aren't very many Travellers in Ireland: under 30,000 on the latest figures. It should be possible to help them out of their dreadful conditions of life. But these are people who have a huge level of unemployment - but who wants to give them a job, in our prejudice-free Ireland?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Claw Hammer wrote: »

Have travelers ever stolen your possessions or your granny?

My possessions yes, in a burglary while on the premises

Rechuchote

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

My possessions yes, in a burglary while on the premises

My house was burgled twice, both by settled people according to the gardaí.

Rechuchote

OmegaGene wrote: »

How could the guards tell lol did they settle in for the night

Well, the gardaí said "We know who did it…"

Rechuchote

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

My possessions yes, in a burglary while on the premises

While you were in the premises or while your possessions were in the premises, or while you, the burglars and your possessions were in the premises? Did the gardaí catch them?

punisher5112

Rechuchote wrote: »

When has this happened?

Travellers have twice the infant mortality of the settled in Ireland. (This has dropped from being three times the national rate in the 1990s http://www.paveepoint.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PrimaryHealthCare05.pdf)

They have twice the rate of diabetes of the general population https://www.irishtimes.com/news/diabetes-and-metabolic-disorders-twice-as-common-among-travellers-1.694344

As for nutritional education, yes, I do think it's important to educate any community that doesn't have a family source of vital information that may save their health.

Health and the Travelling Community: http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=1079

There aren't very many Travellers in Ireland: under 30,000 on the latest figures. It should be possible to help them out of their dreadful conditions of life. But these are people who have a huge level of unemployment - but who wants to give them a job, in our prejudice-free Ireland?

They burn anything that a family member was in when they die.

There were 7 possibly 8 houses in the original plot at nutgrove and when they tore them down to build the new set there was only one left standing.

They have since destroyed 2 of these newly built homes, one was rebuilt and they only went and destroyed it again.

If you don't believe me go on and drive by it would open your eyes.

Before the new houses they had a lot of land provided and they stored rubbish, burnt absolutely anything daily(tyres and other very toxic stuff)

They seem to be allowed do what they want.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Rechuchote wrote: »

While you were in the premises or while your possessions were in the premises, or while you, the burglars and your possessions were in the premises? Did the gardaí catch them?

While I was on the premises, he stood in front of me and I had a clear look at him. The Gardai knew who it was and where to find them.

Spanish Eyes

Rechuchote wrote: »

When has this happened?

Travellers have twice the infant mortality of the settled in Ireland. (This has dropped from being three times the national rate in the 1990s http://www.paveepoint.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PrimaryHealthCare05.pdf)

They have twice the rate of diabetes of the general population https://www.irishtimes.com/news/diabetes-and-metabolic-disorders-twice-as-common-among-travellers-1.694344

As for nutritional education, yes, I do think it's important to educate any community that doesn't have a family source of vital information that may save their health.

Health and the Travelling Community: http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=1079

There aren't very many Travellers in Ireland: under 30,000 on the latest figures. It should be possible to help them out of their dreadful conditions of life. But these are people who have a huge level of unemployment - but who wants to give them a job, in our prejudice-free Ireland?

Sorry now. Travellers have separate ethnicity. They have grants by the bucketload for education, health care, integration and so on, that the so called Settled Community would give their right arms for. They have Traveller Specific Accommodation provided for them (refused without stables apparently). They have every help under the sun.

But if the community is not prepared to educate their children, or avail of all the supports available to them. I'm sorry, it should be diverted to those who would be so happy to have supports. Need I spell it out, disabled, ASD, carers, and so on.

Travellers have been given every assistance from the Public purse, but if they choose not to avail of it what can we do.

tayto lover

Rechuchote wrote: »

When has this happened?

Travellers have twice the infant mortality of the settled in Ireland. (This has dropped from being three times the national rate in the 1990s http://www.paveepoint.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PrimaryHealthCare05.pdf)

They have twice the rate of diabetes of the general population https://www.irishtimes.com/news/diabetes-and-metabolic-disorders-twice-as-common-among-travellers-1.694344

As for nutritional education, yes, I do think it's important to educate any community that doesn't have a family source of vital information that may save their health.



Health and the Travelling Community: http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=1079

There aren't very many Travellers in Ireland: under 30,000 on the latest figures. It should be possible to help them out of their dreadful conditions of life. But these are people who have a huge level of unemployment - but who wants to give them a job, in our prejudice-free Ireland?

Forget about the health issue, that will improve. The problem is with education.
Educate people and everything else will follow.
Now what is the Travellers agency, Pavee Point ,doing about education?

Rechuchote

Rechuchote wrote: »

When has this happened?

Travellers have twice the infant mortality of the settled in Ireland. (This has dropped from being three times the national rate in the 1990s http://www.paveepoint.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PrimaryHealthCare05.pdf)

They have twice the rate of diabetes of the general population https://www.irishtimes.com/news/diabetes-and-metabolic-disorders-twice-as-common-among-travellers-1.694344

As for nutritional education, yes, I do think it's important to educate any community that doesn't have a family source of vital information that may save their health.

Health and the Travelling Community: http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=1079

There aren't very many Travellers in Ireland: under 30,000 on the latest figures. It should be possible to help them out of their dreadful conditions of life. But these are people who have a huge level of unemployment - but who wants to give them a job, in our prejudice-free Ireland?

They have to be willing to accept that help. There is no need for them to live in squalor, uneducated, living under rules of an era long gone. And they’ve got to respect the rest of their country men.

tretorn

They would have high rates of infant mortality because they insist on marrying their first cousins so there would be a lot of genetic defects in that community.

In fairness though no sensible woman would marry into that community so the men wouldnt have much choice. Who wouldnt recommend their daughters not to get involved with someone who would expect them to live in a caravan and have a baby every nine months.

Conall Cernach

How many Travellers actually travel nowadays? Is the 30,000 figure I see quoted just the ones who travel, use halting sites etc. or does it count those who are settled? Like, I know people who would consider themselves Travellers but who have always lived in a housing estate. Their parent may have travelled but settled before the children were born. Some are grandchildren of settled Travellers but still consider themselves to be Travellers.

nice_guy80

Longford has the highest % of travellers
Especially the town

Casey got a huge vote in the county

Spanish Eyes

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Longford has the highest % of travellers
Especially the town

Casey got a huge vote in the county

And probably the lowest property prices in all of Ireland too. Wonder why that is.

nim1bdeh38l2cw

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Longford has the highest % of travellers
Especially the town

Casey got a huge vote in the county

Casey also beat Michael D in Rathkeale of all places

Spanish Eyes

tretorn wrote: »

They would have high rates of infant mortality because they insist on marrying their first cousins so there would be a lot of genetic defects in that community.

In fairness though no sensible woman would marry into that community so the men wouldnt have much choice. Who wouldnt recommend their daughters not to get involved with someone who would expect them to live in a caravan and have a baby every nine months.

Who in the Traveller community will change the culture though.

Lack of education means they will follow the trend. Or there may be consequences.

Nothing will be achieved by having separate status and housing. That is isolating.

A lot of taxpayer money has gone down the drain now. Pavee Point may be the recipients of much of this largesse. Where has it made a difference does anyone know despite all the money thrown at it?

deaddonkey15

I see travellers are now not even responsible for their own nutrition. When will the excuses for these people end?

Ash.J.Williams

Claw Hammer wrote: »

Have travelers ever stolen your possessions or your granny?

They turned me into a newt!

Rechuchote

Think of it for a minute as if it were outside Ireland. Think of the poorest population in the United States, the "hillbillies" (so called because their ancestors were devotees of King Billy, and they moved to the poor hill country of the South).

These are people who have a low level of schooling, a high level of suspicion of government, a high level of dependence on welfare, ignorance on nutrition with resultant malnutrition, a big problem with alcoholism and increasingly with other addictions, a high level of smoking, congenital diseases possibly caused by the custom of cousin marriage, etc.

How would you solve the problems of this community? Remove welfare supports and leave them in their misery, or support them so each new generation is better nourished, better educated, less likely to marry close relatives, more likely to work and contribute and be part of the wider society?

Cookie_Monster

tayto lover wrote: »

Forget about the health issue, that will improve. The problem is with education.
Educate people and everything else will follow.
Now what is the Travellers agency, Pavee Point ,doing about education?

the education is provided. For some inexplicable reason though they don't have to addend like every one elses child does and there are no consequences to the parents if they don't, unlike every other child...

Like most problems in Ireland if the state was actually bothered enforcing it own existing laws a lot of the issues would have resolved themselves over time with traveller children forced to complete a proper education like everyone else.

Wanderer78

Cookie_Monster wrote:

the education is provided. For some inexplicable reason though they don't have to addend like every one elses child does and there are no consequences to the parents if they don't, unlike every other child...

Our educational system is very poor in dealing with common social issues, which also exists amongst travelling communities, a lot of the time it actually exasperates them

Rechuchote

Traveller children do have to attend, and yes, the way they're often treated in schools does exacerbate the situation; I've been told by traveller kids that they're humiliated and dissed by teachers and other pupils. There's a lack of civility in our discourse.

Wanderer78

Rechuchote wrote:

Traveller children do have to attend, and yes, the way they're often treated in schools does exacerbate the situation; I've been told by traveller kids that they're humiliated and dissed by teachers and other pupils. There's a lack of civility in our discourse.

Learning disabilities with be common enough to

padd b1975

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Does John Connors?

Frog Ward & Son Criminal Enterprises Ltd perhaps?

sbsquarepants

tayto lover wrote: »

Now what is the Travellers agency, Pavee Point ,doing about education?

At a guess, I'd say complaining about it, crying racism and blaming everyone bar the useless cúnt "parents" who don't send their kids to school.

But that's just a guess:D

ohnonotgmail

Rechuchote wrote: »

Think of it for a minute as if it were outside Ireland. Think of the poorest population in the United States, the "hillbillies" (so called because their ancestors were devotees of King Billy, and they moved to the poor hill country of the South).

These are people who have a low level of schooling, a high level of suspicion of government, a high level of dependence on welfare, ignorance on nutrition with resultant malnutrition, a big problem with alcoholism and increasingly with other addictions, a high level of smoking, congenital diseases possibly caused by the custom of cousin marriage, etc.

How would you solve the problems of this community? Remove welfare supports and leave them in their misery, or support them so each new generation is better nourished, better educated, less likely to marry close relatives, more likely to work and contribute and be part of the wider society?

AH is no place for sensible posts like this. Off to the politics forum with ye.

sightband

Rechuchote wrote: »

or support them so each new generation is better nourished, better educated, less likely to marry close relatives, more likely to work and contribute and be part of the wider society?

a lot of what you say is totally incomparable and inaccurate. there was a time where the travelling community served a purpose here and were self sufficient. I am old enough to have been told by grandparents in a rural area that they would put items aside for repair.

as for the above...it is quite obvious that currently each generation is worse than the next, in my opinion because of the generous handouts they are given.

punisher5112

The way things are going there will be a traveler president or someone gender fluid or a dog......

World has gone mad....

Pero_Bueno

Even the left are copping on to all that nonsense now.

SnazzyPig

Rechuchote wrote: »

Think of it for a minute as if it were outside Ireland. Think of the poorest population in the United States, the "hillbillies" (so called because their ancestors were devotees of King Billy, and they moved to the poor hill country of the South).

These are people who have a low level of schooling, a high level of suspicion of government, a high level of dependence on welfare, ignorance on nutrition with resultant malnutrition, a big problem with alcoholism and increasingly with other addictions, a high level of smoking, congenital diseases possibly caused by the custom of cousin marriage, etc.

How would you solve the problems of this community? Remove welfare supports and leave them in their misery, or support them so each new generation is better nourished, better educated, less likely to marry close relatives, more likely to work and contribute and be part of the wider society?

ANDREWMUFC

Tryin ta’ fade da childer

Gimme A Pound

Just as an aside, it's a theory that hillbillies are so called because of King Billy - it's not confirmed though. It would make sense however as a lot of the Ulster Scots who got off the boat at Virginia and Pennsylvania headed west and south for the hills of Appalachia.

Government supports are limited for the poor in those regions (West Virginia, east Kentucky, rural Tennessee, the Carolinas, and northern Georgia/Alabama) but travellers here are given plenty of supports, yet the problems persist at a significant rate.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Rechuchote wrote: »

How would you solve the problems of this community? Remove welfare supports and leave them in their misery, or support them so each new generation is better nourished, better educated, less likely to marry close relatives, more likely to work and contribute and be part of the wider society?

How is that working out in Ireland?

Is welfare making Travellers better educated, less likely to marry close relatives, more likely to work and contribute, and more inclined to integrate into wider society?

Not at all. Despite availing of the country's generous welfare supports for decades, just 8 percent of Traveller children sit the Leaving Cert, and fewer than 1 percent of Travellers have a third-level qualification. Around 40 percent of Traveller marriages are between first cousins, with many Traveller girls in particular married off while still in their mid to late teens. Travellers are not likely to work in the official economy, with around 85 percent of male Travellers claiming Jobseekers Allowance. And they show no signs of integrating into mainstream society.

It could just as easily be argued that a culture of unlimited lifetime welfare benefits is only subsidizing and sustaining many undesirable aspects of Traveller culture. Look at Margaret Cash -- left school at 12, married at 15, pregnant at 16, and a mother of seven by 28, with no intention of ever working a day to support her ever-expanding band of children. If each additional child did not come with a new raft of welfare entitlements, she might have been forced to think about the implications of having so many children -- but she has no incentive to use contraception when she knows that the taxpayer is picking up the tab.

If Travellers did not get everything handed to them in Irish society, they might be forced to keep their kids in school, get actual jobs, think about their reproductive decisions, and drop their hostility to the settled community. But as long as they continue to get hundreds of millions handed to them annually, they have no incentive to change.

malinheader

Rex Tasteless Gutter wrote: »

How is that working out in Ireland?

Is welfare making Travellers better educated, less likely to marry close relatives, more likely to work and contribute, and more inclined to integrate into wider society?

Not at all. Despite availing of the country's generous welfare supports for decades, just 8 percent of Traveller children sit the Leaving Cert, and fewer than 1 percent of Travellers have a third-level qualification. Around 40 percent of Traveller marriages are between first cousins, with many Traveller girls in particular married off while still in their mid to late teens. Travellers are not likely to work in the official economy, with around 85 percent of male Travellers claiming Jobseekers Allowance. And they show no signs of integrating into mainstream society.

It could just as easily be argued that a culture of unlimited lifetime welfare benefits is only subsidizing and sustaining many undesirable aspects of Traveller culture. Look at Margaret Cash -- left school at 12, married at 15, pregnant at 16, and a mother of seven by 28, with no intention of ever working a day to support her ever-expanding band of children. If each additional child did not come with a new raft of welfare entitlements, she might have been forced to think about the implications of having so many children -- but she has no incentive to use contraception when she knows that the taxpayer is picking up the tab.

If Travellers did not get everything handed to them in Irish society, they might be forced to keep their kids in school, get actual jobs, think about their reproductive decisions, and drop their hostility to the settled community. But as long as they continue to get hundreds of millions handed to them annually, they have no incentive to change.

Couldn't agree more with you. The incentive for these people is the more kids you have the better rate of welfare entitlements you get. It doesn't seem to matter about rearing them. But we all know once you make a comment or complain about this your a racist.

Graces7

malinheader wrote: »

Couldn't agree more with you. The incentive for these people is the more kids you have the better rate of welfare entitlements you get. It doesn't seem to matter about rearing them. But we all know once you make a comment or complain about this your a racist.

so your answer is? starve the children?

punisher5112

Graces7 wrote: »

so your answer is? starve the children?

Why have them if you can't afford them..... It's ok for cash though as she is funded but also feels the need and entitlement to Rob and her husband works very hard at it....

Roger Hassenforder

Graces7 wrote: »

so your answer is? starve the children?

I think the answer is to stop incentivising people dependant on the state from having more children, inceasing this dependancy.

Existing kids shouldnt starve, but these people would have to take responsibility for their family planning.

I for one am sick of paying for the likes Margaret Cash and her vagina. I would love more kids but we cant afford them. Why should i be paying for her failure to be responsible.

malinheader

Graces7 wrote: »

so your answer is? starve the children?

Another utterly self righteous load of shtie by you. No I would never suggest starving children. But you well know the current system is a joke and not working. Why dont you give us your idea on how to change the system of never having to work a day just keep on having kids or are you just looking for an argument.

Deebles McBeebles

sbsquarepants

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I for one am sick of paying for the likes Margaret Cash and her clown car vagina.

:eek::eek::D:D

whisky_galore

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I think the answer is to stop incentivising people dependant on the state from having more children, inceasing this dependancy.

Existing kids shouldnt starve, but these people would have to take responsibility for their family planning.

I for one am sick of paying for the likes Margaret Cash and her clown car vagina. I would love more kids but we cant afford them. Why should i be paying for her failure to be responsible.

Will any of these kids go to college or university, get an apprenticeship or otherwise become a productive member of society?

Unless by a small miracle I fcukin' doubt it very much. Suckle off the test of the State for their lifetimes would be more like it.

sbsquarepants

whisky_galore wrote: »

Will any of these kids go to college or university, get an apprenticeship or otherwise become a productive member of society?

Not a fúcking snowballs chance!

Parasites beget parasites. They aren't kids they're cash cows!

topper75

Address Irish Travellers as though they were impoverished Appalachian hill folk?
So draft them wholesale into the defence forces then! :-)

*The King Billy thing is nonsense. Orangism didn't begin in Ireland until after all these people had already long emigrated. They were staunch dissenters and loyalty to any earthly crown wasn't their thing. When things got cold between the American colonies and the Hanoverian King George III, those hill people of Ulster descent were the keenest to shoulder muskets.
The more likely explanation is -billy was a suffix added to other words in the 19th century. Like we use -bunny in today's slang maybe. All the other terms went by the wayside but hillbilly, possibly on account of the rhyming, got retained in everyday speech.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I think the answer is to stop incentivising people dependant on the state from having more children, inceasing this dependancy.

According to figures published recently by the Irish Times:

If a Traveller (married with adult dependent and five children) worked as a building labourer at the registered employment agreement rate of €13.77 per hour, his take-home pay for working 39 hours a week for a year would be €25,594 – €806 less than the jobseekers’ allowance. Amazingly, the Traveller taking the building job would also lose the medical card for the family because the income limit for the medical card for a couple with five children is only €24,206.

It's clear that because of the way the Irish welfare system is designed, larger families (and the average Traveller couple has five children) are often better off on welfare, especially when additional perks such as medical cards, social housing, etc., are factored in.

So how is the welfare system "helping" Travellers? It's clearly keeping them stuck in a poverty trap where they more of an incentive to remain on welfare and keep popping out babies than to work.