Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

hurler32

hurler32 wrote: »

Why are 98% of travellers not working ?? .. plenty of them are fit men ??
It seems social welfare officers like everybody else are afraid of them ...travellers of course are raping the system with massive families for unlimited benefits unlike the UK where 2 kids is maximum you get paid for . Anyone in modest employment is worse off than travellers who never worked a day in their lives ... maybe we should all become travellers ??

At least this guy is trying to make his own way. https://www.gofundme.com/irish-traveller-tv-podcaster

Filmer Paradise

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I want to like it...

I'd love to have been there to have see it.

My pal is a serious character who is famous for dishing out his own brand of 'instant justice' to anybody who crosses him.

Those turds hadn't a clue what they were dealing with & got the treatment that they so desperately deserved.:D

CinemaGuy45

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

He’s a staunch SF supporter.

Nice snippet of what things would be like if they got into power.

It’s everyone else’s fault.

I hate Sinn Fein and their supporters total scumbags they are nothing but filth.
How many murders and punishment beatings have been carried out by these people.

I have no problem expressing hate but for me hate means I avoid people I can not stand but I never harm people.

I would never accept a lecture from people that have anything to do with filthy murdering terrorists.

Sinn Fein wants open borders with uncontrolled mass immigration they cry discrimination on behalf of that so-called ethnic minority but it is not surprising as they are a bunch of psychopaths.

Here is some footage of some of their handiwork from Manchester in 1996.
Killing innocent children utter scum.

CinemaGuy45

hurler32 wrote: »

Sinn Fein are losing many life long supporters in rural Ireland over their “ travellers are great people stance “ ... many republicans are suffering at the hands of traveller burgulary gangs whilst Mary Lou and the Dublin head office are in cloud cuckoo land about travellers .
Between this and their suppressing of catholic views Sinn Fein will lose a number of seats in Rural Ireland in next election .

All they are is a Mafia people too afraid to tell them to get lost well times are a changing even some of the other criminal scum will now target Republicans.

Ian Paisley as much as I hated him called them out Sinn Fein/IRA judging by their performance in the presidential election it seems like the majority have woken up to their bull.
Peter Cassy 23% and he was a clown but he had the balls to speak the truth on a pressing issue.

Mad_maxx

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

He’s a staunch SF supporter.

Nice snippet of what things would be like if they got into power.

It’s everyone else’s fault.

Is he eoin o broin?

That deputy is a big Mrs cash champion.

maxwell smart

Floppybits wrote: »

They would never be short of news. The sports section could cover the latest sulky races, show the latest call out videos on you tube and chair chucking competition.

it would be strangely hypnotic I suspect, like Fox News.

Put it on Sky channel 500.5, just ahead of Sky News so nobody can say they are discriminated against.

Mad_maxx

hurler32 wrote: »

Why are 98% of travellers not working ?? .. plenty of them are fit men ??
It seems social welfare officers like everybody else are afraid of them ...travellers of course are raping the system with massive families for unlimited benefits unlike the UK where 2 kids is maximum you get paid for . Anyone in modest employment is worse off than tra
vellers who never worked a day in their lives ... maybe we should all become travellers ??

When you think about it, travellers have a pretty sweet life, no bourgeois headaches like mortgages, college funds, employment insecurity.

The constant moaning about discrimination is a carefully planned strategy to ensure that the life of zero responsibility continues with us picking up the bill.

What a country.

maxwell smart

hurler32 wrote: »

Why are 98% of travellers not working ?? .. plenty of them are fit men ??
It seems social welfare officers like everybody else are afraid of them ...travellers of course are raping the system with massive families for unlimited benefits unlike the UK where 2 kids is maximum you get paid for . Anyone in modest employment is worse off than travellers who never worked a day in their lives ... maybe we should all become travellers ??

Bad backs? Accident prone? I'd say the proportion of them on 'Disability' payments is as high as the proportion of them involved in criminal enterprises.

Fann Linn

maxwell smart wrote: »

Bad backs? Accident prone? I'd say the proportion of them on 'Disability' payments is as high as the proportion of them involved in criminal enterprises.

Doesn't stop them chasing referees.

Mad_maxx

hurler32 wrote: »

Sinn Fein are losing many life long supporters in rural Ireland over their “ travellers are great people stance “ ... many republicans are suffering at the hands of traveller burgulary gangs whilst Mary Lou and the Dublin head office are in cloud cuckoo land about travellers .
Between this and their suppressing of catholic views Sinn Fein will lose a number of seats in Rural Ireland in next election .

Bar donegal, monaghan and Louth, there are no safe as houses SF seats or constituencies.

SF decided a while back to focus on the urban progressive left vote which is growing, this constituency is also attractive to immigrants.

It's no coincidence that deputy o broin is so to the fore these days, he could be just as at home in Labour.

CinemaGuy45

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Surprised they did not sue because they were hurted.

Knock it off you have no idea what it is like to be hurted just this week we hear about the man who has been in six car crashes since 2012 can you imagine how bad he was hurted?

People been hurted is not nice but the €40'000 he has received in compo helped a bit boss but still don't be knocking the poor man fell six foot off a ladder and was hurted again

Sure another poor man fell over in a halting site because the ground was a little cracked and he was hurted I am sure the compo helped somewhat but people like you making fun of people getting hurted still makes them feel bad.

Our legal system is doing it's best for all these people that have been and will be hurted but most of these people will never work again

Gravelly

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Knock it off you have no idea what it is like to be hurted just this week we hear about the man who has been in six car crashes since 2012 can you imagine how bad he was hurted?

People been hurted is not nice but the €40'000 he has received in compo helped a bit boss but still don't be knocking the poor man fell six foot off a ladder and was hurted again

Sure another poor man fell over in a halting site because the ground was a little cracked and he was hurted I am sure the compo helped somewhat but people like you making fun of people getting hurted still makes them feel bad.

Our legal system is doing it's best for all these people that have been and will be hurted but most of these people will never work again

And what an overwhelming loss to the economy they will be. I suppose the rest of us will just have to struggle on without them.

maxwell smart

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Knock it off you have no idea what it is like to be hurted just this week we hear about the man who has been in six car crashes since 2012 can you imagine how bad he was hurted?

People been hurted is not nice but the €40'000 he has received in compo helped a bit boss but still don't be knocking the poor man fell six foot off a ladder and was hurted again

Sure another poor man fell over in a halting site because the ground was a little cracked and he was hurted I am sure the compo helped somewhat but people like you making fun of people getting hurted still makes them feel bad.

Our legal system is doing it's best for all these people that have been and will be hurted but most of these people will never work again

I hate to be a grammer Nazi but to never work again one would have to have worked before? :D

Quandary

maxwell smart wrote: »

I hate to be a grammer Nazi but to never work again one would have to have worked before? :D

CinemaGuy45

Ruraldweller56

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

In fairness you could pick out a lot of stuff from settled people as well

For example:

Or a settled person of a famous variety:

Plus as a settled person I got to be honest no traveller ever did me any harm.
In fact the majority I ever came into contact with were sound.

However, my fellow own 'non-travellers' / settled people on the other hand..... that is a different story.
I was pick pocketed by settled people, my house was robbed by settled people.

So obviously from that I should conclude that all settled people are bad, going by the above posters logic?

Pointless whataboutery.

There's always one. At least.

How many pages of discussion regarding travellers ethnic status, living off the taxpayers dollar and all all the while claiming to be victims did you skip through before you arrived at the above conclusion? It's all there if you want to read it.

Absolutely neither here nor there.

boombang

https://extra.ie/2018/11/17/news/irish-news/soccer-referee-attack-on-bail-assault

How widely was the ethnicity of the ref's assailants reported by the mainstream media?

suicide_circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DRj5sc7bzE

givyjoe

boombang wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2018/11/17/news/irish-news/soccer-referee-attack-on-bail-assault

How widely was the ethnicity of the ref's assailants reported by the mainstream media?

I had literally know idea until now. It wasn't mentioned in any media report that i saw on twitter or rte.

hurler32

Mad_maxx wrote: »

When you think about it, travellers have a pretty sweet life, no bourgeois headaches like mortgages, college funds, employment insecurity.

The constant moaning about discrimination is a carefully planned strategy to ensure that the life of zero responsibility continues with us picking up the bill.

What a country.

One of the most accurate posts of Travellers and their parasite lifestyle ... many law abiding couples in modest employment would be as well Jack in working , declare themselves travellers and have another 5 kids and get every possible benefit - handout out there ..... have a couple of compo claims and they’ll have a new car on top of a few sun holidays ...
Definetly more people should look at becoming travellers ...

maxwell smart

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DRj5sc7bzE

You can threaten us with the police, we don't give a f**k about the police.

There it is from the horses mouth :D

Wheeliebin30

Mad_maxx wrote: »

When you think about it, travellers have a pretty sweet life, no bourgeois headaches like mortgages, college funds, employment insecurity.

The constant moaning about discrimination is a carefully planned strategy to ensure that the life of zero responsibility continues with us picking up the bill.

What a country.

No bin, gas, electricity charges or property tax either.

Ruraldweller56

I often wonder with regard to the whole 'ethnic status' thing. Since they are now regarded as an ethnic minority group (despite the protest in Dublin going ahead where they're looking to be classed as one anyway) if we have say one of these 'ethnic' folk who has 10+ previous convictions for crimes that presumably have been carried out mainly against White Irish settled folk i.e assault, aggravated burglary, theft etc.

Surely the point would have to come where it's being investigated as hate crime? Should it not work both ways? Surely with these rights that being regarded as an ethnic minority entails there must be some responsibility going with it?

Gravelly

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

I often wonder with regard to the whole 'ethnic status' thing. Since they are now regarded as an ethnic minority group (despite the protest in Dublin going ahead where they're looking to be classed as one anyway) if we have say one of these 'ethnic' folk who has 10+ previous convictions for crimes that presumably have been carried out mainly against White Irish settled folk i.e assault, aggravated burglary, theft etc.

Surely the point would have to come where it's being investigated as hate crime? Should it not work both ways? Surely with these rights that being regarded as an ethnic minority entails there must be some responsibility going with it?

Would love to see a case being brought to this effect. Surely, as travellers go around attacking elderly Irish people, this could be classed as racist? If white Irish people got together in gangs and went around targeting elderly Muslim couples, there wouldn’t even be a question about it.

Signore Fancy Pants

We need to stop calling ourselves "settled people".

We are nornal people.

Travellers are travellers. Travellers who dont live on wheels are settled travellers.

Gimme A Pound

giles lynchwood wrote: »

In the temple bar video at about 3.30 a garda kicks a man in the head and hits him across the legs with his asp batton then another garda pushes the first garda out of his way and he starts to hit him then a third garda stops him hitting the man, all this happened when the man was on the ground. Our beautiful police force at its best.

Yeah they're like the police in the Ukraine. Usually the whinging is about them being too soft - which is it?

hurler32 wrote: »

Why are 98% of travellers not working ?? .. plenty of them are fit men ??
It seems social welfare officers like everybody else are afraid of them ...travellers of course are raping the system with massive families for unlimited benefits unlike the UK where 2 kids is maximum you get paid for . Anyone in modest employment is worse off than travellers who never worked a day in their lives ... maybe we should all become travellers ??

To be fair, who'd employ them? They are responsible however for not having so many children and for not entering into violent criminality.

CinemaGuy45

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

No bin, gas, electricity charges or property tax either.

Before Cassy threads like this got closed and people posting the truth got infractions and bans.


I have no time for anybody making excuses for these people none.
Margret Cash is a huge own goal for the liberals leftards running the country and RTE.
The media lying about the level of support Cassy had was another massive own goal.

This waste of space Cash has seven kids that WE have paid for people like this should not be allowed to have children they should be taken into care straight away.

The HSE has no problem taken settled peoples children into care.
Leaving children to be dragged up by scum 98% of whom do not work with massive almost universal criminality is unforgivable.

I am not a hypocrite I won't pretend to give a rats ass about the children my motivation is the suffering settled people including myself have had to suffer.

Nonetheless what I am saying is true and those that say they do care about these people are very dishonest they go on about the low life expectancy high addiction rates and high suicide rates yet you think it is a good idea to fund these people to have massive families?

Any area these people live in quickly degenerates into filth and squalor with NO exceptions and we all know it and without the massive welfare, this corrosive culture would be extinct in less than a generation.

Houses at half a million a pop being built for these people and refused because they don't have accommodation for their illegally held cruelly mistreated animals has woken up a massive segment on the Irish population.

I feel on boards I have to walk on eggshells as a small number of leftist trolls with massive post counts will bait anybody who dares to tell the truth and try to derail threads to get them closed.

Call me a racist call me a bigot as one of these posters called me the other day but people have had enough of this cack.

I like the majority of the country works my ass off and obeys all the laws and I don't have my hand out for welfare and I resent one single cent of my tax going to these people.

Another thing that grinds my gears is people saying oh not another traveller bashing thread, in other words, shut up and don't dare draw attention to this growing massive national ongoing problem.

I was assaulted and told that be due to who they were no action would be taken.

Discriminated against ethnic minority was a sick joke.

Does anyone know if Margaret got her foreva home yet or is she still in a B & B?

normanoffside

boombang wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2018/11/17/news/irish-news/soccer-referee-attack-on-bail-assault

How widely was the ethnicity of the ref's assailants reported by the mainstream media?

Front page of the Sunday world today.

Cantona's Collars

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does anyone know if Margaret got her foreva home yet or is she still in a B & B?

Maybe the B+B was bought for her,it should have enough rooms anyway.:)

CinemaGuy45

normanoffside wrote: »

Front page of the Sunday world today.

There is a change in the air but the likes of RTE Virgin Media and The Irish Times are lost causes.

normanoffside

maxwell smart wrote: »

You can threaten us with the police, we don't give a f**k about the police.

There it is from the horses mouth :D

They are so far above the law that they have no problem videoing their own criminal behaviour and flaunting it all over the Internet.
It’s unbelievable at times.

You’d like to think the various police forces are arresting people based on their videos but I doubt it.

dan1895

"I'm sorry" and then goes off playing the blame game.

CinemaGuy45

normanoffside wrote: »

They are so far above the law that they have no problem videoing their own criminal behaviour and flaunting it all over the Internet.
It’s unbelievable at times.

You’d like to think the various police forces are arresting people based on their videos but I doubt it.

This went to trial and destroyed this mans life the state will enforce against the plebs.

A LANDMARK case against a man who admitted creating a Facebook page called “Promote the use of knacker babies as shark bait” has been dismissed by a judge who said there was reasonable doubt about an intent to incite hatred towards members of the Travelling community.

Judge James O’Connor noted that while the comments made on Facebook were “obnoxious and revolting” it appeared that the remarks were a once-off and the man responsible had issued an apology.

In the first Irish case of its kind, Patrick Kissane, of Knockasartnett, Killarney, Co Kerry, appeared before the Killarney District Court yesterday charged with an offence under the Incitement to Hatred Act 1989 after he created the page on the social media site.

Gimme A Pound

dan1895 wrote: »

"I'm sorry" and then goes off playing the blame game.

No idea which post you're talking about but people do that all the time - the "I'm sorry" thing is just a figure of speech to open a sentence, it doesn't mean they're literally sorry.

It's a thing I'm not a fan of (but I'll admit to being quite pedantic when it comes to use of language) however it's not literal.

gormdubhgorm

Bridget Mushy Viper wrote: »

That's pretty dishonest. It's a question of numbers. The proportion of criminality among members of the traveller community is much much higher than that of the settled community. It is endemic. It is also far more accepted in the traveller community than it is in the settled community.

The settled community doesn't have an issue with acknowledging/condemning criminality by settled people. It is highly critical of it actually.

The traveller community glosses over it when seeking special treatment and crys discrimination from those who are critical of serious problems that are widespread in traveller society and spill over to settled society.

It is not been dishonest at all no traveller has ever done me any harm, but settled people have.
Look at the stuff settled people do in Clondalkin...

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/builder-ceases-work-in-dublin-estate-due-to-anti-social-behaviour-884854.html

But there is no major 'Settled People' headline because it is not travellers.
So when a traveller does commit a crime Traveller xyz is blown up in the headline so further embeds in the public consciousness.

Also are much larger numbers in settled community then the who also suffer from lack of opportunity in education. Who have generations living on social welfare.
But as the travellers lack education thier groups are rarely articulate enough to properly market themselves and counteract propaganda.

If you contrast this to another minority group LGBT etc the difference could not be more stark. The LGBT community are educated prevalent in the arts, media, government etc.
They have the power not just to fight an agenda but to create one. The travellers in contrast have no such power even though the numbers of each group are on similar levels.

The likes of traveller boxer Francie Barrett was treated (in a very subtle way) similar to the way then Cassius Clay was treated in Southern America he was returning from the Olympics.
When Franice Barrett was in the Olympics, I can remember an interview where Marty Morrissey asked his mother something to the effect of 'have you ever got a box from him yourself?'

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/4439

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=307107

Until the travellers achieve a similar articulate voice (with weight) in society they are never going to stand a chance against constant hyperbolic anti-traveller vitriol. Where it is seized upon and positive stories are ignored by the media as it does not sell papers/programmes TV3 etc.
As I said in an earlier post the travellers are largely still stuck in a cultural mindset of 70 years ago, at the pace of technological change alone it is extremely difficult for them not to be even further left behind.

dan1895

Bridget Mushy Viper wrote: »

No idea which post you're talking about but people do that all the time - the "I'm sorry" thing is just a figure of speech to open a sentence, it doesn't mean they're literally sorry.

It's a thing I'm not a fan of (but I'll admit to being quite pedantic when it comes to use of language) however it's not literal.

I meant to quote the poster who mentioned the story of the referee in the Sunday World. Here's a link to the front page.


https://twitter.com/sundayworld/status/1066476839982510081?s=19

Gimme A Pound

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

This went to trial and destroyed this mans life the state will enforce against the plebs.

He was an idiot to put it on social media though - talk about playing into the hands of travellers who love saying they're victimised!

It was pretty hateful too - leave the kids out of it.

If he had started a discussion about the issues caused by traveller society, using moderate language (like Casey) and then got the incitement to hatred treatment, I'd have a lot more sympathy.

CinemaGuy45

Bridget Mushy Viper wrote: »

He was an idiot to put it on social media though - talk about playing into the hands of travellers who love saying they're victimised!

It was pretty hateful too - leave the kids out of it.

If he had started a discussion about the issues caused by traveller society, using moderate language (like Casey) and then got the incitement to hatred treatment, I'd have a lot more sympathy.

I agree he was an idiot and it was also very hateful not trying to defend him.


Yet to see a traveller charged for anything they have put online however different strokes for different folks.

CinemaGuy45

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Until the travellers achieve the same they are never going to stand a chance against constant hyperbolic anti-traveller vitriol. Where it is siezed upon and positive stories are ignored by the media as it does not sell papers/programmes TV3 etc.
As I said in an earlier post the travellers are largely still stuck in a cultural mindset of 70 years ago, at the pace of technological change alone it is extremely difficult for them not to be even further left behind.

Vitriol you mean calling them out for their actions?:rolleyes:


So it was a common culture 70 years ago to not work not go to school terrorise elderly people in their homes attack innocent people out walking throw rubbish all over the place?

Yeah right.


Get off the stage will you?

Gimme A Pound

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not been dishonest at all no traveller has ever done me any harm but settled people have.
Also are much larger numbers in settled community then the who also suffer from lack of opportunity in education. Who have generations living on social welfare.
But as the travellers lack education thier groups are rarely articulate enough to properly market themselves and counteract propaganda.
If you contrast this to another minority group LGBT etc the difference could not be more stark. The LGBT community are educated prevalent in the arts, media, government etc.
The likes of Boxer Francie Barrett was treated i(n a very subtle way) similar to the way then Cassius Clay was treated in Southern America after he was in the Olympics.
I can remember an Interview where Marty Morrissey asked his mother something to the effect of 'have you ever got a box from him yourself?'

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=307107

Until the travellers achieve the same they are never going to stand a chance against constant hyperbolic anti-traveller vitriol. Where it is siezed upon and positive stories are ignored by the media as it does not sell papers/programmes TV3 etc.
As I said in an earlier post the travellers are largely still stuck in a cultural mindset of 70 years ago, at the pace of technological change alone it is extremely difficult for them not to be even further left behind.

It was dishonest of you to say "obviously all settled people are bad so?" And i explained it's a question of numbers and accepting responsibility. Not one person would disagree that there is criminality among non travellers.

I've no doubt you haven't experienced problems from travellers, but that doesn't change the huge numbers who have. Particularly in very remote areas and council estates.

It is not propaganda - it is the truth. Whose fault is it that they're left behind? This state offers so much to help them progress. So many are choosing not to keep their children in education, choosing not to use contraception, choosing to live in unhealthy conditions. Are they to be responsible for themselves or is deflection of blame the better option in the long run?

Idiocy by Marty Morrissey though - no arguments there.

Gimme A Pound

dan1895 wrote: »

I meant to quote the poster who mentioned the story of the referee in the Sunday World. Here's a link to the front page.


https://twitter.com/sundayworld/status/1066476839982510081?s=19

Ah, thanks for clarifying. Talk about a Father Jack "I'm sorry" :rolleyes: "racial abuse" - how utterly loathsome.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I agree he was an idiot and it was also very hateful not trying to defend him.


Yet to see a traveller charged for anything they have put online however different strokes for different folks.

Charges would have to be brought against them and people don't have the time or money or faith in the system. But I agree - some of what I've seen posted by travellers is utterly poisonous.

boombang

I have to say that I find the linking of the attack to abuse on the pitch both pretty weak and fairly typical.

There always seems to be an attempt to pass the buck for their transgressions. They should not have been subject to abuse, but that in no way explains or justified beating the ref.

Disgraceful.

gormdubhgorm

Bridget Mushy Viper wrote: »

It was dishonest of you to say "obviously all settled people are bad so?" And i explained it's a question of numbers and accepting responsibility. Not one person would disagree that there is criminality among non travellers.

I've no doubt you haven't experienced problems from travellers, but that doesn't change the huge numbers who have. Particularly in very remote areas and council estates.

It is not propaganda - it is the truth. Whose fault is it that they're left behind? This state offers so much to help them progress. So many are choosing not to keep their children in education, choosing not to use contraception, choosing to live in unhealthy conditions. Are they to be responsible for themselves or is deflection of blame the better option in the long run?

Idiocy by Marty Morrissey though - no arguments there.

It is thier own fault they are been left behind, as thier culture is becoming increasingly antiquated compared to mainstream society.
They have very limited PR Pavee Point is the best they have which is incoherent and inarticulate most of the time so they have no real hope to counter it - unless an Irish traveller boxer win gold in boxing or a traveller actor gets an Oscar they cannot create hype over good news stories.
Whereas the hype falls on the negative ones like this story.

I believe it is partly propoganda/conformation bias there another traveller involved in criminality it attracts more attention sells more papers.

Look at the major murders in Ireland.
How many were committed by settled people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_crimes_in_Ireland

Was the phrase settled person Graham O'Dwyer found guilty of murdering Elaine O'Hara?
No it was a focused on his socio-economic background leafy suburb etc.

Whereas in items concerning travellers it is either in the headline or not far from it.

Was Father Brendan Smyth styled as a settled person who happened to be a pedophile priest?
No.

Is the latest Kinahan-Hutch feud being described as a feud between settled people?
No.

When Veronica Guerin was shot was it said that she was shot by a settled person?
No.

Was Larry Murphy described as settled serial killer rapist?
No.

Now ask yourself in your own personal life how many times has a settled person caused you grief/criminality/hassle in your life?
How many times has a traveller done the same?

The way travellers are portrayed in the media reminds me of a joke Bill Burr told about the rednecks attitude to Obama.

The rednecks could not wait for the recession to blame Obama.
(Put on redneck accent)
Redneck 1 - I knew it ya see, a black President.

Redneck 2 - But isn't he is half black???

Redneck 1 - But it was that half what done it!!!

To me that sums the confirmation bias people have with travellers the negative news stories are siezed upon.
However, in this case the woman in question does not seem like a very nice individual who has a large amount of duplicity as well.
But that not give people the right to say there ya see I knew it, they are all at it.
No surprises there etc - in other words confirmation bias.

CinemaGuy45

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is thier own fault they are been left behind, as thier culture is becoming increasingly antiquated compared to mainstream society.
They have very limited PR Pavee Point is the best they have which is incoherent and inarticulate most of the time so they have no real hope to counter it - unless an Irish traveller boxer win gold in boxing or a traveller actor gets an Oscar they cannot create hype over good news stories.
Whereas the hype falls on the negative ones like this story.

I believe it is partly propoganda/conformation bias there another traveller involved in criminality it attracts more attention sells more papers.

Look at the major murders in Ireland.
How many were committed by settled people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_crimes_in_Ireland

Was the phrase settled person Graham O'Dwyer found guilty of murdering Elaine O'Hara?
No it was a focused on his socio-economic background leafy suburb etc.

Whereas in items concerning travellers it is either in the headline or not far from it.

Was Father Brendan Smyth styled as a settled person who happened to be a pedophile priest?
No.

Is the latest Kinahan-Hutch feud being described as a feud between settled people?
No.

When Veronica Guerin was shot was it said that she was shot by a settled person?
No.

Was Larry Murphy described as settled serial killer rapist?
No.

Now ask yourself in your own personal life how many times has a settled person caused you grief/criminality/hassle in your life?
How many times has a traveller done the same?

The way travellers are portrayed in the media reminds me of a joke Bill Burr told about the rednecks attitude to Obama.

The rednecks could not wait for the recession to blame Obama.
(Put on redneck accent)
Redneck 1 - I knew it ya see, a black President.

Redneck 2 - But isn't he is half black???

Redneck 1 - But it was that half what done it!!!

To me that sums the confirmation bias people have with travellers the negative news stories are siezed upon.
However, in this case the woman in question does not seem like a very nice individual who has a large amount of duplicity as well.
But that not give people the right to say there ya see I knew it, they are all at it.
No surprises there etc - in other words confirmation bias.

gormdubhgorm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Obviously putting up memes, demonstrates you have no real counter argument and do not wish to seriously think about it.

CinemaGuy45

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Obviously putting up memes, demonstrates you have no real counter argument and do not wish to seriously think about it.

Your posting trash you have not posted any real argument.
Confirmation bias as in you find exactly what you expected to find but this is bias.

That my good man is called evidence can you post any links to anything positive about these people?
The meme was making exactly that point conformation bias what nonsense.

gormdubhgorm

mikemac2 wrote: »

70 years ago they had skills with metal repairs and could work with farmers. Now the farmers fear them!

70 years ago they were experts at horses. Yeah some still have this but starving your horse on waste ground and racing them up a dual carriageway isn't a deep and spiritual bond as John Connors like to wax about

Ireland would be a better place if travellers acted as they did 70 years ago.



You're mistaking lack of education for lack of intelligence. Plenty of people leave school early and would outsmart you in any deal.

I would agree that travellers fit better into society 70 years ago, but to say they have lack of intelligence is akin to British/American propaganda in the 19th century

hurler32

boombang wrote: »

I have to say that I find the linking of the attack to abuse on the pitch both pretty weak and fairly typical.

There always seems to be an attempt to pass the buck for their transgressions. They should not have been subject to abuse, but that in no way explains or justified beating the ref.

Disgraceful.

Those travellers that gave that referre such a savage beating should be in jail but instead a throwaway I’m sorry seems to be adequate for the Dublin media .

What chance would a 70 or 80 year old person living on their own in Westmeath have against these thugs in the middle of the night as they rob them ??

CinemaGuy45

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Obviously putting up memes, demonstrates you have no real counter argument and do not wish to seriously think about it.

And YOUR next post lamping divine:rolleyes:

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I would agree that travellers fit better into society 70 years ago, but to say they have lack of intelligence is akin to British/American propaganda in the 19th century