Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

ohnonotgmail

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think it is almost a box ticking excise for the working mother now.
Education - Marry Late - Man - 1 kid - back to work childminder brings up kid.
(Which means someone else takes over the parenting)

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good.
But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely. In my view.
But that is up to the travellers to sort out.

raising children to be criminals who live off the state is having it right?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think it is almost a box ticking excise for the working mother now.
Education - Marry Late - Man - 1 kid - back to work childminder brings up kid.
(Which means someone else takes over the parenting)

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good.
But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely. In my view.
But that is up to the travellers to sort out.

God forbid a woman educate herself, or dare to build a decent life for herself and the children she can afford. Hussy!

KrustyUCC

Really think he just wants the thread shut down at this stage

gormdubhgorm

baldbear wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Margaret Cash but I feel like a bit of a bully slagging her off. She has received alot of crap after her stunt but I think this thread has run it's course.

Would this thread be closed if she killed herself?

Bully?
She has completely brought the whole situation on herself -

1) She chose to have all those kids.

2) She chose to be with a guy who is jailed

3) She chose to make her Garda station stint into a stunt

4) She chose to refuse housing 3 bedroom

5) She chose to commit 39 convictions.

6) She chose to stand outside the dail ranting and raving.

If she chose to kill herself it will not be because of anything else but her choices.
Not because of you or me or anyone else.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

There you have it, folks. Marry your cousin at age 16 and start popping out babies. It's the natural way to do things.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely.

You're missing the point that if Travellers were better educated, they wouldn't be having so many kids. There's a clear negative correlation between the level of education available to women and the total fertility rate (TFR) in a population.

Gormdubhgorm,

Not once have you mentioned the fathers duties in this perfect utopia.

Grace7,

I see you thanking posts. Care to offer us some words of wisdom today?

Sweet.Science

Some top level trolling going on

SusieBlue

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I think it is almost a box ticking excise for the working mother now.
Education - Marry Late - Man - 1 kid - back to work childminder brings up kid.
(Which means someone else takes over the parenting)

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good.
But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

If the travellers could sort out education and after education, then they would be on the right track completely. In my view.
But that is up to the travellers to sort out.

Why are you criticising women for finishing their education, getting married, and buying a house before they decide to have a child?

Are you saying it isn't a good thing for a child to be born to an educated woman with a good work ethic, parental stability and a secure home?
Why isn't that a good thing?

Why is it better to be one of 7 children to a 26yr old single mother who didn't complete primary school, has no home, and a blasé regard for the law?

gormdubhgorm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

raising children to be criminals who live off the state is having it right?

So you are assuming all traveller kids are criminals?

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote:

As I said earlier I think that is a positive aspect of traveller culture the full time mothers and the sense of community. Granted thier are obvious unsavory aspects as well. But the main principle is sound. If mothers in the settled community only had children if they could afford with a stay at home / stay at home house husband. That would mean less stress, no part time parenting and a parent who sees thier child grow up. Anything else seems to be trying to burn the candle at both ends and one or other aspect suffering.

I'm genuinely curious what exactly allows Miss Cash afford all the children she has given birth to? You yourself have acknowledged she does not work .

lawred2

SusieBlue wrote: »

Why are you criticising women for finishing their education, getting married, and buying a house before they decide to have a child?

Are you saying it isn't a good thing for a child to be born to an educated woman with a good work ethic, parental stability and a secure home?
Why isn't that a good thing?

Why is it better to be one of 7 children to a 26yr old single mother who didn't complete primary school, has no home, and a blasé regard for the law?

because she's not out making lads like gormwhatever feel inadequate probably

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Granted, not all stay at home mothers are good. But the travellers have it right it is more natural and less manufactured.

Who pays for this choice?

gormdubhgorm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Why are you criticising women for finishing their education, getting married, and buying a house before they decide to have a child?

Are you saying it isn't a good thing for a child to be born to an educated woman with a good work ethic, parental stability and a secure home?
Why isn't that a good thing?

What I am saying is that they could have thier education then marry etc.
No problem with that.
It is the working and giving the kids away to childminders while they work baffles me.
They end up part-time parenting but full time working.
Then the childminding costs me they would be nearly better off not working in the first place.

Have the child stay at home bring it up then work.
Otherwise don't have the child because it will be more a childminders child, then a parents child.
Parent would have only being half there.

lawred2

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

What I am saying is that they could have thier education then marry etc.
No problem with that.
It is the working and giving the kids away to childminders while they work baffles me.
They end up part-time parenting but full time working.
Then the childminding costs me they would be nearly better off not working in the first place.

Have the child stay at home bring it up then work.
Otherwise don't have the child because it will be more a childminders child, then a parents child.
Parent would have only being half there.

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gormdubhgorm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Who pays for this choice?

The travellers do at the moment because they marry too young and do not get educated except on a basic level.
Society at large pays for it through taxes etc.

gormdubhgorm

lawred2 wrote: »

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So you honestly do not find it odd that the full-time working parents/part-time parents in this country work thier @rses off for someone else to bring up thier kid/2.5 kids?

It is madness.
As I said the good aspects of the traveller culture could be learnt from.
But people chose to ignore them.

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote:

. Society at large pays for it through taxes etc.

So those that go out to work get the privilege of financing the Cash brood. Thanks for confirming. System would collapse for Cash and co if every taxpayer decided to stay at home and pop out the sprogs.

Deebles McBeebles

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The travellers do at the moment because they marry too young and do not get educated except on a basic level.
Society at large pays for it through taxes etc.

Taxes which come from working people. Even those terrible mothers who have the audacity to work and have a kid.

gormdubhgorm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So those that go out to work get the privilege of financing the Cash brood. Thanks for confirming. System would collapse for Cash and co if every taxpayer decided to stay at home and pop out the sprogs.

Not true.
When there was the marriage ban on women etc etc and large familes in Ireland the world did not cave in.

lawred2

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So you honestly do not find it odd that the full-time working parents/part-time parents in this country work thier @rses off for someone else to bring up thier kid/2.5 kids?

It is madness.
As I said the good aspects of the traveller culture could be learnt from.
But people chose to ignore them.

I think you're mad

lawred2

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not true.
When there was the marriage ban on women etc etc and large familes in Ireland the world did not cave in.

you're not even trying now

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Not true. When there was the marriage ban on women etc etc and large familes in Ireland the world did not cave in.

SW wasn't as generous, plus different times religion played a big part in family size plus access to contraception was almost non existent.

ohnonotgmail

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not true.
When there was the marriage ban on women etc etc and large familes in Ireland the world did not cave in.

Feck off with your 1950's paternalism.

Patrick2010

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Her cynical ploy of exploiting her kids in a Garda station removes any sympathy she should get.
She also does not seem very thankful when people do try to help her.
The way she says the council are doing nothing for her, when it is not true, shows what her character is like.
Hand on hip and confrontational.
Traveller or non-traveller the woman is a right wagon, no matter how you look at it.

A few days ago she was a right wagon, now shes an example for all mothers.
Genuine question, are you actually on a windup here?

ohnonotgmail

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

SW wasn't as generous, plus different times religion played a big part in family size plus access to contraception was almost non existent.

access to contraception was illegal.

gormdubhgorm

This is what I find funny most on this thread are extremely quick to point out the negatives in traveller culture.
Some exaggerate the stereotype, others are clearly anti-traveller no matter what.
They brand all of them the same!

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.
There are also negatives in the society at large (mostly non-travellers) such as part-time parenting (working parents).
But when this is pointed out peoples cages get rattled slightly as it is rarely said, as it has become the norm now.

It is more then a bit ironic.

Church on Tuesday

gwalk wrote: »

so culture excuses paedophilia?

Hardly.

Also I could be wrong but I'm guessing travellers don't take too kindly to instances of pedophilia, I reckon you would get a good beating or worse.

Marrying off kids at age 16 is another matter...

cloudy90210

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This is what I find funny most on this thread are extremely quick to point out the negatives in traveller culture.
Some exaggerate the stereotype, others are clearly anti-traveller no matter what.
They brand all of them the same!

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.
There are also negatives in the society at large (mostly non-travellers) such as part-part-time parenting (working parents).
But when this is pointed out peoples cages get rattled slightly as it is rarely said, as it has become the norm now.

It is more then a bit ironic.

Would ya shut up with this "part-time parenting" malarkey?

lawred2

cloudy90210 wrote: »

Would ya shut up with this "part-time parenting" malarkey?

well now it's moved on to part-part-time

Gravelly

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This is what I find funny most on this thread are extremely quick to point out the negatives in traveller culture.
Some exaggerate the stereotype, others are clearly anti-traveller no matter what.
They brand all of them the same!

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.
There are also negatives in the society at large (mostly non-travellers) such as part-part-time parenting (working parents).
But when this is pointed out peoples cages get rattled slightly as it is rarely said, as it has become the norm now.

It is more then a bit ironic.

:rolleyes:

Deebles McBeebles

lawred2 wrote: »

well now it's moved on to part-part-time

That's even less than part-time! We'll have fields full of feral kids in no time.

Gwen Cooper

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This is what I find funny most on this thread are extremely quick to point out the negatives in traveller culture.
Some exaggerate the stereotype, others are clearly anti-traveller no matter what.
They brand all of them the same!

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.
There are also negatives in the society at large (mostly non-travellers) such as part-part-time parenting (working parents).
But when this is pointed out peoples cages get rattled slightly as it is rarely said, as it has become the norm now.

It is more then a bit ironic.

Thing is that you're not pointing out a positive. You're talking about a negative side effect.

Most of the kids in the traveller community don't get educated. Their daughters are told their entire life that their purpose is to be pretty, get married, have children and keep the house clean. The lack of education is supporting this as the girls don't really get to think outside the box. It's a form of having control over women because I can guarantee you that if they were kept in school, they wouldn't be getting married that young and I also believe that most of the girls there would have an ambition to make something of themselves in life. They are being controlled, have been controlled for generations, and you are incredibly happy about it, calling it a positive thing.

lawred2

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Thing is that you're not pointing out a positive. You're talking about a negative side effect.

Most of the kids in the traveller community don't get educated. Their daughters are told their entire life that their purpose is to be pretty, get married, have children and keep the house clean. The lack of education is supporting this as the girls don't really get to think outside the box. It's a form of having control over women because I can guarantee you that if they were kept in school, they wouldn't be getting married that young and I also believe that most of the girls there would have an ambition to make something of themselves in life. They are being controlled, have been controlled for generations, and you are incredibly happy about it, calling it a positive thing.

yeah but he's already harked back to the marriage ban in a positive context so it's clear what he thinks of women..

he's either a troll or a relic of a now thankfully gone Ireland

gormdubhgorm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

A few days ago she was a right wagon, now shes an example for all mothers.
Genuine question, are you actually on a windup here?

I never said she was an example to all mothers she is still a wagon.
But the example to mothers from the non-travelling community could take is that she sees herself as a mother first and foremost.

Where the majority of working parents fall down (mostly non-traveller) they try and do both at full tilt. But then they are full time workers and part time parents.

Would a slightly lower standard of living for one working parent (if possible) with the other staying at home not be the best of both worlds?
Otherwise as I said they are not parents but part-time parents.

If people want to be part-time parents and do the superman/superwoman bit good luck to them.
But I find it an enormous contradiction, work comes first and children come second, yet its costs to have then cared for by a paid stranger (if no relative is available).

cloudy90210

lawred2 wrote: »

well now it's moved on to part-part-time

Part time inception

Gwen Cooper

lawred2 wrote: »

yeah but he's already harked back to the marriage ban in a positive context so it's clear what he thinks of women..

he's either a troll or a relic of a now thankfully gone Ireland

Can I ask, as an ignorant foreigner... what is this marriage ban about? I don't think I've heard of it.

Fr_Dougal

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This is what I find funny most on this thread are extremely quick to point out the negatives in traveller culture.
Some exaggerate the stereotype, others are clearly anti-traveller no matter what.
They brand all of them the same!

But there are positives in traveller culture as well.
There are also negatives in the society at large (mostly non-travellers) such as part-part-time parenting (working parents).
But when this is pointed out peoples cages get rattled slightly as it is rarely said, as it has become the norm now.

It is more then a bit ironic.

I notice you weren’t able to come up with one of these ‘positives’...

gormdubhgorm

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Thing is that you're not pointing out a positive. You're talking about a negative side effect.

Most of the kids in the traveller community don't get educated. Their daughters are told their entire life that their purpose is to be pretty, get married, have children and keep the house clean. The lack of education is supporting this as the girls don't really get to think outside the box. It's a form of having control over women because I can guarantee you that if they were kept in school, they wouldn't be getting married that young and I also believe that most of the girls there would have an ambition to make something of themselves in life. They are being controlled, have been controlled for generations, and you are incredibly happy about it, calling it a positive thing.

That is the aspect of traveller culture that could be improved on.
There is a happy medium (education - marry later - job - stay at home with kid) the other extreme of the majority of non-travellers two parents working, but rarely seeing thier kids is wrong in my view as well.

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote:

If people want to be part-time parents and do the superman/superwoman bit good luck to them. But I find it an enormous contradiction, work comes first and children come second, yet its costs to have then cared for by a paid stranger (if no relative is available).

Maggie seems happy to have a country full of strangers pay for her children. Yet it is responsible taxpayers you are slating. Anyway that's enough nonsense to deal with so early in the working week.

KrustyUCC

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Can I ask, as an ignorant foreigner... what is this marriage ban about? I don't think I've heard of it.

Basically in the past when a woman married she had to leave

https://www.thejournal.ie/giving-up-work-when-married-1852776-Dec2014/

ohnonotgmail

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Can I ask, as an ignorant foreigner... what is this marriage ban about? I don't think I've heard of it.

Basically when a woman got married she gave up her job. It applied in the civil service, the banks and other places.

Trigger Happy

Should I pull my kids out is school to avoid getting labeled a part time parent?

Liamario

Jasiah Hot Talker wrote: »

With all due respect why should we give a fück about other people’s children when their own parents can’t even be bothered to worry if they’ll have a roof over their head?

If I have the responsibility of kids I’d have my own

Because they're vulnerable. Our efforts to deal with the problem are inadequate.

cloudy90210

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is the aspect of traveller culture that could be improved on.
There is a happy medium (education - marry later - job - stay at home with kid) the other extreme of the majority of non-travellers two parents working, but rarely seeing thier kids is wrong in my view as well.

Rarely seeing their kids is a complete over exaggeration. Why doesn't everyone in the world just not work and have kids and use social welfare

gormdubhgorm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I notice you weren’t able to come up with one of these ‘positives’...

I already said them in another post.

cloudy90210

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Should I pull my kids out is school to avoid getting labeled a part time parent?

Ya should have pulled out before ya had any kids

lawred2

Gwen Cooper wrote: »

Can I ask, as an ignorant foreigner... what is this marriage ban about? I don't think I've heard of it.

once married, many women had to leave government, civil and public service positions

I'm sure many private organisations followed suit

think it wasn't fully lifted until the seventies

the halcyon days where gormdumbgorm is concerned

cloudy90210

lawred2 wrote: »

once married, many women had to leave government, civil and public service positions

I'm sure many private organisations followed suit

think it wasn't fully lifted until the seventies

the halcyon days where gormdumban is concerned

those days were class tbf.

the wimminz at home makin the dinner for you and absolutely gaggin for some action after being alone the whole day

cloudy90210

cloudy90210 wrote: »

those days were class tbf.

the wimminz at home makin the dinner for you and absolutely gaggin for some action after being alone the whole day

You’ve never seen confessions of a window cleaner!

cloudy90210

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

You’ve never seen confessions of a window cleaner!

whats that pre-tell me