Margaret Cash steals €300 worth of clothes from Penneys and aftermath/etc!

Lefty Bicek

cloudy90210 wrote: »

Kids that aren't in crèche are statistically more likely to be traveller.

Unless we use the term creche in it's zoological sense -

animals taking care of young not their own.

Apposite here, somehow.

dense

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I do not commend travellers who never work. I commend the travellers for thier family ethos that is a different thing entirely.

I am not trolling by the way.

It just bugs me that because of a few unsavory people.

Then the logic is:

All Travleler culture = bad

All settled culture = good

That is far from true as far as I see it.

"Culture" does not automaticallty equate to "acceptable".

It describes habitual behaviour, and in this context, behavior that is not acceptable in a normal functioning society.


Let us take a good look at this venerated culture, a culture that demands respect and fear and celebrates violence and destruction on all levels and endlessly sucks the state's tit, filled with your hard earned taxes.

Here's Bimmy the Sharer's gift to society, spreading an endless stream of violence and ignorance:

https://www.youtube.co...AcSsPkIqWkXP7LZ-JV9w

To those who say we can learn from traveller culture, I ask what exactly do you want people to learn from it, and why should anyone accommodate any of it?

The last thing I would want is any of the characters in these videos attempting to integrate with me or mine by moving anywhere near me. They can stay in their ghettos and keep integrating with themselves.

gormdubhgorm

Deleted User wrote: »

Regarding points 1 & 2. Margaret has no support from her or her husbands families. She was raised by an aunt. No mention of her father.

Broken homes are another issue.
They can happen at any level of society, death, divorce, etc. etc.
My point was that Travellers view the family unit as important.
The settled community where both parents work have definitely lost that aspect leaving it to others to look after thier off-spring.

gormdubhgorm

dense wrote: »

They can stay in their ghettos and keep integrating with themselves.

That is another part of the problem fear and lack of integration branding all travellers as the same.
It is not very helpful either.

gormdubhgorm

alias no.9 wrote: »

No harm for say a 9 year old to be responsible for 5 younger siblings with no or minimal adult supervision?

That would not be reasonable obviously.
13/14 year old and up would have plenty of cop on though.

Plumbthedepths

dense wrote:

They can stay in their ghettos and keep integrating with themselves.

Wasn't that discovered as to one of the reasons they diverged from wider society, family getting a bit to close.

gormdubhgorm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Broken homes are another issue.
They can happen at any level of society, death, divorce, etc. etc.
My point was that Travellers view the family unit as important.
The settled community where both parents work have definitely lost that aspect leaving it to others to look after thier off-spring.

I never mentioned broken homes. Both her parents may have died leaving her in the care of an aunt. However, she doesn’t appear to have any support from her or her husbands families.

Not all working couples depend on others to look after their offspring. Many retired grandparents help out.

Spanish Eyes

A lot of Travellers seem to be fostered out. What's the payment from the taxpayer to the foster parent/guardian for this again? Just wondered.

Plumbthedepths

Spanish Eyes wrote:

A lot of Travellers seem to be fostered out. What's the payment from the taxpayer to the foster parent/guardian for this again? Just wondered.

About 310 slightly higher payment for a teenager. Having said that my wife and I fostered on several occasions anyone that thinks there's money in it needs to find a different occupation.

Squatter

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My point was that Travellers view the family unit as important.

Quite true. In their culture it appears to be very important to have baptisms, communions, weddings and funerals to fight at. I'm not sure about confirmations, but I'm confident that you'll be able to put me right!

gormdubhgorm

So, from what I can see reforming the traveller culture (for many on here) does not just mean education, and marrying later etc.
It means the break up on thier reliance on the family unit - as people would not just like settled culture imposed on travellers.
They would like them to do as settled people do - work like dogs, rarely see thier kids, pay extortionate creche prices. Leading to the wonderfully stressful rat race that all that entails. Then the family unit gets forgotten or pushed aside.
But family is core in traveller culture one of the positives of its demographic.
It would shatter it if it lost that.


Some of the reactions on here that are clearly anti-all travellers no matter what and with no real efforts of integration type plan from the authorities (on a human level) It is a sad state of affairs.
Also the travellers groups/law abiding travellers do not criticise other travellers enough who are not law abiding. Or no criticism at all (such as in the cash case) so the cycle continues and the 'them and us' is enforced even more.

Squatter

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

About 310 slightly higher payment for a teenager. Having said that my wife and I fostered on several occasions anyone that thinks there's money in it needs to find a different occupation.

€325 a week plus the monthly child benefit of €140. That's a mere €18,150 a year - tax free! Shure there's no way in the world that you'd make any money on a pittance like that! :rolleyes: Especially if you were a traveller.

gormdubhgorm

Deleted User wrote: »

Not all working couples depend on others to look after their offspring. Many retired grandparents help out.

I mentioned that as well but in the settled community it is almost an accepted part of life now - childcare costs etc etc

Plumbthedepths

gormdubhgorm wrote:

So, from what I can see reforming the traveller culture for many on her does not just mean education, and marrying later etc. It means the break up on thier reliance on the family unit - as people would not just like settled culture imposed on travellers. They would like them to do as settled people do - work like dogs, rarely see thier kids, pay extortionate creche prices. Leading to the wonderfully stressful rat race that all that entails. Then the family unit gets forgotten or pushed aside. But family is core in traveller culture one of the positives of its demographic. It would shatter it if it lost that.

I'd prefer to see the breakup of their reliance on state hand outs and maybe contribute to the state. After that I don't give a f**k what they do once it's legal. Yeah I've seen the result of some Traveller family occasions nothing positive tbh huge mess and several injuries though.

gormdubhgorm

Squatter wrote: »

Quite true. In their culture it appears to be very important to have baptisms, communions, weddings and funerals to fight at. I'm not sure about confirmations, but I'm confident that you'll be able to put me right!

As I posted earlier that is playing to the stereotype.
Not all travellers are looking for fights at church occasions, it is just a baseless statement.

Is each traveller a spokeperson for all-travelllers?
Is each non-traveller a spokesperson for all non-travellers?

Is each person from one group indicative how another will act?
They are not cats/dogs they are people like anyone else.

Spanish Eyes

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

As I posted earlier that is playing to the stereotype.
Not all travellers are looking for fights at church occasions, it is just a baseless statement.

Is each traveller a spokeperson for all-travelllers?
Is each non-traveller a spokesperson for all non-travellers?

Is each person from one group indicative how another will act?
They are not cats/dogs they are people like anyone else.

Ignore button works sometimes.

But I reckon you are just doing this for a big laugh and a reaction. You have not placed ONE decent argument about the Traveller lifestyle at all.

But you have denigrated those people who are paying for it. Nice, and most people have figured it out by now without you anyway.

Lefty Bicek

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My point was that Travellers view the family unit as important.

So do the Mafia...

BBFAN

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

If you can support them and bring them up in a half decent manner, as I'm sure this posters parents did, then it's actually pretty responsible.

I wouldn't call squeezing 7 children into one bedroom a half decent manner.

dense

What unique part of their present culture (that is uniquely different and separate) from settled culture do they want us to repect?

Maybe settled people could start at the basics of what is expected of them?

No point saying singing and folk tales, they're not unique to travellers.

Nor fixing pots and pans. Doesn't happen anymore.

Talk about what parts of the current culture are unique to travellers and should be aspired to by non.

tuxy

I found this on her facebook pictures.
They are the ones going around doing black face and they have the cheek to call us racist!

dense

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They are not cats/dogs they are people like anyone else.

They demand special status and treatment.

alias no.9

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That would not be reasonable obviously.
13/14 year old and up would have plenty of cop on though.

Take a look at the spread of ages in the Cash family, step back in time to the birth of the youngest, now have a little think about the benefits of having a childminder for at least some of the day.

Squatter

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

As I posted earlier that is playing to the stereotype. Not all travellers are looking for fights at church occasions, it is just a baseless statement.

A baseless statement is a statement without a basis. Mine has a basis, hence, by definition, it cannot be baseless. That's basic fifth class English comprehension!

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

They are not cats/dogs they are people like anyone else.

Except for the fact - so bleeding obvious that you are incapable of seeing it - that they are not "people like everyone else".

But, if we ignore that minor issue, then you're 100% correct. So pat yourself on the back in an approving manner.

ohnonotgmail

BBFAN wrote: »

I wouldn't call squeezing 7 children into one bedroom a half decent manner.

what makes you think we were all squished into one bedroom? You seem to like making a lot of assumptions about a situation you are completely ignorant of.

Sheep breeder

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Also I nearly forgot the working parents educate thier children which is great.
Travellers should also educate thier children by the way.
But it also cannot be ignored that many working parents treat thier educators as handy childminders while they are at work.
Once the there are holidays for the kids there are the usual gripes about teachers etc.
The kids are hindrance to them.
The working parents want either state education / childminding to do the majority of thier parenting for them.
As that is what the parents have become accustomed too.
This is in contrast to the travellers who are there for thier own kids.
A 'stay a home mother' in general society is a phrase well used now.
But I have never heard the phrase stay at home traveller mother:D
Because, That might actually be giving travellers some praise!?

You need to give the old white powder a miss for a while.

Spanish Eyes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

About 310 slightly higher payment for a teenager. Having said that my wife and I fostered on several occasions anyone that thinks there's money in it needs to find a different occupation.

I was not referring to those who foster those they might have no familial connections with. Good on you for that. It is something that should be absolutely given many supports. But maybe you are, fair dues either way.

However it seems to me that fostering is a money spinner for the Travellers, all related and know the score, and who would dare deny them that.

Add on the Carer's allowance, and child allowance and so on. Honestly they may not be very good at the oul reading and writing, but when it comes to getting free money from the taxpayer, they have a degree in it.

Sorry, probably overstepped the PC mark there.

Plumbthedepths

Spanish Eyes wrote:

I was not referring to those who foster those they might have no familial connections with. Good on you for that. It is something that should be absolutely given many supports. But maybe you are, fair dues either way.

We have fostered for several years, children from all sections of society including traveller children. One thing they all had in common is they usually arrived with only the clothes sometimes the clothes were not even theirson their backs. Everything needed to bought for them and that is what the allowance is for plus at least one partner has to be stay at home. Can't speak for what goes on with fostering in the travelling community.

dense

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Add on the Carer's allowance, and child allowance and so on. Honestly they may not be very good at the oul reading and writing, but when it comes to getting free money from the taxpayer, they have a degree in it.

It's probably less distressing on the official at the counter of whatever department to just hand it out rather than try to reason with a family at the counter playing dumb and who are a always just breath away from playing the racist card.

You see it in hospitals with the entourage accompanying the patient blocking up the whole A and E.
No one says a word about it.
It's endured until they're gone and the place is left in a mess.

If they're going to do it a hospital they'll do it anywhere to get what they think they're entitled to.

Spanish Eyes

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

We have fostered for several years, children from all sections of society including traveller children. One thing they all had in common is they usually arrived with only the clothes sometimes the clothes were not even theirson their backs. Everything needed to bought for them and that is what the allowance is for plus at least one partner has to be stay at home. Can't speak for what goes on with fostering in the travelling community.

I salute you for doing this.

My point was that there seems to be a lot of fostering within the Travelling Community for whatever reason. Ms. Cash was fostered it seems.

I know what you do may not be financially viable, but in other communities it may be.

Just shows how people might do things for good reasons, whereas others might do it for financial gain. Not you of course.

Wish you well.

Roger Hassenforder

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

We have fostered for several years, children from all sections of society including traveller children. One thing they all had in common is they usually arrived with only the clothes sometimes the clothes were not even theirson their backs. Everything needed to bought for them and that is what the allowance is for plus at least one partner has to be stay at home. Can't speak for what goes on with fostering in the travelling community.

Fair play to anyone that fosters kids.

Spanish Eyes

dense wrote: »

It's probably less distressing on the official at the counter of whatever department to just hand it out rather than try to reason with a family at the counter playing dumb and who are a always just breath away from playing the racist card.

You see it in hospitals with the entourage accompanying the patient blocking up the whole A and E.
No one says a word about it.
It's endured until they're gone and the place is left in a mess.

If they're going to do it a hospital they'll do it anywhere to get what they think they're entitled to.

Now before anyone shouts at me, I know exactly what you mean about AE.

My poor mother was in a Q for AE in a NW Dublin hospital recently. The poor woman was in bits.

In came the entourage shouting and roaring and causing ructions. No one told them to leave and let the patient be seen to. NO. They were accommodated and actually disturbed so many seriously ill patients it was unreal.

Anyway. We got over it, and mother was so well looked after we cannot complain really. But it is not right either.

Shouting seems to be something they do somehow.

blanch152

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

About 310 slightly higher payment for a teenager. Having said that my wife and I fostered on several occasions anyone that thinks there's money in it needs to find a different occupation.

There is no money in it, if you do it properly and fairly, and correctly spend the money on the kid.

For some, there is money in it.

Plumbthedepths

blanch152 wrote:

There is no money in it, if you do it properly and fairly, and correctly spend the money on the kid.

We were always at a loss tbh, but as unbelievable as it will sound to some we didn't do it for the money. It can also have a negative affect on your own family if the foster child or their natural family are particularly troublesome.

blanch152 wrote:

For some, there is money in it.

Possibly but I have never encountered any that do it for the money, of course they may put on a good front.

Church on Tuesday

BBFAN wrote: »

I wouldn't call squeezing 7 children into one bedroom a half decent manner.

That poster was talking about a situation some 50 years ago as you are quite aware of yourself.

Stop being pedantic.

Most modern homes have on average three bedrooms. If a decent married couple can afford to have seven kids then let them at it, neither you nor I are to judge.

BBFAN

cloudy90210 wrote: »

They don't value family above all else. This is where your viewpoint is completely off the scales. Nonce

Do you know what nonce means son?

Fordcspri23

She must not forget to do the annual tax rebate.

Ha Long Bay

She is not happy with Leo tonight

https://imgur.com/a/Ruci5n2

john4321

john4321 wrote: »

She is not happy with Leo tonight

https://imgur.com/a/Ruci5n2

She’s so tolerant. Those guys campaigned tirelessly for same sex marriage both here and across the world.

YFlyer

Brendan Ogle on the Tonight Show that people on Social Welfare contribute to the tax of the country.

jay0109

YFlyer wrote: »

Brendan Ogle on the Last Word that people on Social Welfare contribute to the tax of the country.

That's straight out of the Joan Burton school of economics!

AllForIt

john4321 wrote: »

She is not happy with Leo tonight

https://imgur.com/a/Ruci5n2

This woman is pure comedy. I've given up on taking any discussion on her specifically seriously.

I would like to see this thread turn into a game of a witty swipe at her rather than a discussion on traveler issues, like the facebook thread.

Lefty Bicek

john4321 wrote: »

She is not happy with Leo tonight

https://imgur.com/a/Ruci5n2

Is that for sure a legit account ?

mazwell

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Don't have kids if it takes you that much effort - both work away

Again if it causes people that much stress why have them - childminders see the kid for the majority of the time.

Alternatively accept a lower standard of living with one working - and you would be nearly better off when child-minding fees are factored in.[/quote

Who's going to pay for our kids if we all give up work

Our kids will be the ones whos taxes pay for Margarets grandchildren

padd b1975

YFlyer wrote: »

Brendan Ogle on the Tonight Show that people on Social Welfare contribute to the tax of the country.

Any mention of the Apollo House loot?



Didn't think so...

YFlyer

padd b1975 wrote: »

Any mention of the Apollo House loot?



Didn't think so...

Yeah he went on the attack when it was mentioned that the Aoollo House is not suitable.

Wheeliebin30

Funny how Sinn Féin dropped her like a hot potato.

Pure populism, Mary Lou in a selfie.

Eoin O Broin should should apologise to Leo Varadkar after he used her to try discredit his name and motives.

They are a disgrace.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b

She was the darling of the RTE and the political left for about 15 minutes. She posed for pictures with Miriam O'Callaghan and Mary Lou.



They subsequently discovered her penchant for shoplifting and posting right-wing nationalist anti-immigrant memes on Facebook. That was the end of the cosy relationship.

baldbear

john4321 wrote: »

She is not happy with Leo tonight

https://imgur.com/a/Ruci5n2

And there I was having some sympathy for her a few pages back & telling people to lay off her. Mortified.

Shes a tramp.

Deebles McBeebles

baldbear wrote: »

And there I was having some sympathy for her a few pages back & telling people to lay off her. Mortified.

Shes a tramp.

That's not even close to the worst she has posted on FB and I've only seen her account twice. Loves a bit of incitement of violence, like any good mother.

Gwen Cooper

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

That's not even close to the worst she has posted on FB and I've only seen her account twice. Loves a bit of incitement of violence, like any good mother.

But at least she's staying at home with the children!