Official Conor McGregor thread (part 6) *Read Mod Note in Post 1* Revised 13-01-19

Frank Bullitt

pastorbarrett wrote: »

Well, it's delusional in the sense that Lee is a chump on the mic...

Won't disagree there, but he is lethal in the cage.

weldoninhio

spix wrote: »

You do realise most people including Al obviously don't listen properly, they read the subtitles that were included on the video and just believe it.

Khabib meeting any Russian about a Mayweather fight is a complete waste of time, he must be doing it to make news or not to be rude when they express interest in talking about it. Mayweather will never fight outside Vegas and definitely not in his opponents country, and one known for sporting shenanigans at that. You think he'd trust Russia with potentially over 100 million dollars? He has talked about fighting in other countries before but again that's just to be nice to the people approaching him in said country.

I get ya. Only you listen properly. Fair play on that. Everyone else that’s heard it is wrong.

pastorbarrett

Gintonious wrote: »

Won't disagree there, but he is lethal in the cage.

Agreed. Questionable about how many fights he has left at LW. He'll be a 165/170 before long.

spix

weldoninhio wrote: »

I get ya. Only you listen properly. Fair play on that. Everyone else that’s heard it is wrong.

Not only me but good attempt at sarcasm

spix

Gintonious wrote: »

How is that delusional? That would be a great fight!

Mcgregor doesn't choose his opponents on what would be a great fight. It has to make business sense. Biggest reward with the least damage to reputation if he doesn't win. Kevin Lee is very far down the list business wise and risk wise so much so you can safely say there is no chance that fight happens next.

Commanchie

spix wrote: »

Mcgregor doesn't choose his opponents on what would be a great fight. It has to make business sense. Biggest reward with the least damage to reputation if he doesn't win. Kevin Lee is very far down the list business wise and risk wise so much so you can safely say there is no chance that fight happens next.

I agree here. Kevin Lee isnt there yet, Not in kevel of skill but he doesnt yet deserve what a mcgregor fight brings.

The only real possibilities to me is Diaz 3, poirier or Possibly Aldo. I dont see a ferguson fight next. I believe conor will fight Nate next, if he wins, fight Tony for Crack at Khabib.

Frank Bullitt

spix wrote: »

Mcgregor doesn't choose his opponents on what would be a great fight. It has to make business sense. Biggest reward with the least damage to reputation if he doesn't win. Kevin Lee is very far down the list business wise and risk wise so much so you can safely say there is no chance that fight happens next.

I wouldn't have him far down the list risk wise, not at all.

hewhoscares

Diaz next regardless of if he wins or loses to Poirer I reckon.

Tony would be great mind - though its higher risk. If anyone deserves a money fight its T-Ferg

There'll be no easy fights now for McGregor but I'd say Nate is about as good it gets in terms of risk/reward

sonofenoch

Aldo would be moving up weight....don't think McGregor would run the risk of him ever pulling out again...that fight will never happen

Diaz would be another 5 round slug fest, not what he needs in the immediate future ...can see that fight being his finale (if Nate is still alive, how many years since he fought?)

Poirier is the obvious contender if it's not Ferguson yet

spix

Gintonious wrote: »

I wouldn't have him far down the list risk wise, not at all.

Losing to Kevin lee would damage his reputation for several reasons. Firstly Kevin is somewhat regarded as having a bad chin, being ko'd by a jujitsu specialist, the chicken dance against barboza. If mcgregor failed to hurt him, it would be bad. Failing to knockout Diaz or Khabib is different, one is known for being very tough and the other has never been defeated or dropped, you can excuse both of those. He also got stopped by Tony. Then you look at how kevin did against barboza compared to how khabib did. They were very similar, stylistically its not something I can see mcgregor wanting to deal with unless its the khabib rematch.

My bet is that if he doesn't get the rematch next, he'll wait for Khabib/Ferguson to take place and fight the winner(possibly khabib regardless of win/lose), or step in if one of them pulls out.

dulux99

I don't think McGregor vs Lee is too unrealistic to be honest, especially if he's genuine about being happy to fight the next person in line. If Lee runs through Iaquinta then he will have a lot of hype behind him.

Diaz will demand a Kings ransom to fight McGregor again. McGregor could fight a binman and guarantee 1.5m buys, and I can see that appealing to the UFC, especially as they'll no doubt lowball Lee and make a sh*t load of profit in the meantime.

spix

dulux99 wrote: »

I don't think McGregor vs Lee is too unrealistic to be honest, especially if he's genuine about being happy to fight the next person in line. If Lee runs through Iaquinta then he will have a lot of hype behind him.

Diaz will demand a Kings ransom to fight McGregor again. McGregor could fight a binman and guarantee 1.5m buys, and I can see that appealing to the UFC, especially as they'll no doubt lowball Lee and make a sh*t load of profit in the meantime.

When you're in the kind of position mcgregor is, it can't be as simple as fighting the next in line. Even if he wanted to do that, his management and perhaps even the ufc wouldn't let him.

Frank Bullitt

spix wrote: »

When you're in the kind of position mcgregor is, it can't be as simple as fighting the next in line. Even if he wanted to do that, his management and perhaps even the ufc wouldn't let him.

His position though isn't what is used to be.

He could sit and wait for Khabib vs Tony to play out, or (I would prefer this) he could fight in the interim and try get a win over someone, which could be Lee or Petis etc.

I would have Lee in a higher position than Diaz in terms of ranking (as do the UFC as well).

spix

Gintonious wrote: »

His position though isn't what is used to be.

He could sit and wait for Khabib vs Tony to play out, or (I would prefer this) he could fight in the interim and try get a win over someone, which could be Lee or Petis etc.

I would have Lee in a higher position than Diaz in terms of ranking (as do the UFC as well).

Until people start showing a declining interest in him, extending the amount of big ppv shows you can get out of him will always be the priority. Last one was the highest yet so throwing him next into a fight which has competition priority over business priority just aint going to happen. Next fight will be a safe choice, khabib right away or khabib/tony after they eventually fight. Otherwise it will be a fight in a higher weightclass/boxing so a potential loss doesn't impact his position to get a khabib rematch.

Frank Bullitt

spix wrote: »

Until people start showing a declining interest in him, extending the amount of big ppv shows you can get out of him will always be the priority. Last one was the highest yet so throwing him next into a fight which has competition priority over business priority just aint going to happen. Next fight will be a safe choice, khabib right away or khabib/tony after they eventually fight. Otherwise it will be a fight in a higher weightclass/boxing so a potential loss doesn't impact his position to get a khabib rematch.

Jesus, not boxing again, just no.

dulux99

Gintonious wrote: »

His position though isn't what is used to be.
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I strongly disagree.

People will want to see how he comes back off this loss as much as they've ever wanted to see him. He's still the golden goose, nobody else in the company is in the same galaxy in terms of pulling power. Any decision will be 50% UFC and 50% McGregor.

Frank Bullitt

dulux99 wrote: »

I strongly disagree.

People will want to see how he comes back off this loss as much as they've ever wanted to see him. He's still the golden goose, nobody else in the company is in the same galaxy in terms of pulling power. Any decision will be 50% UFC and 50% McGregor.

Not so sure about that. His performance wasn't and ideal showcase for him, especially after 2 years out on the sauce.

He still has pull to get a crowd but I don't see his next fight having the same pull as this with Khabib. The golden goose was well beaten and knocked down as well, the murder after the bell helped take the sting off his performance a bit but what people saw wasn't the ideal version of McGregor.

Either way he NEEDS to win his next fight, so a rematch is too much of a risk, same with maybe the outside option of giving Tony a go, Tony is as dangerous as Khabib for McGregor.

dulux99

Gintonious wrote: »

Not so sure about that. His performance wasn't and ideal showcase for him, especially after 2 years out on the sauce.

He still has pull to get a crowd but I don't see his next fight having the same pull as this with Khabib. The golden goose was well beaten and knocked down as well, the murder after the bell helped take the sting off his performance a bit but what people saw wasn't the ideal version of McGregor.

Either way he NEEDS to win his next fight, so a rematch is too much of a risk, same with maybe the outside option of giving Tony a go, Tony is as dangerous as Khabib for McGregor.

He came off a loss vs Diaz and the next ppv became the best selling ppv of all time (at the time).

I agree his next fight won't pull Khabib numbers, unless it's a khabib rematch. It's not really fair to use the khabib fight as a barometer either, that was the biggest fight ever in terms of numbers. But if he fights the likes of Lee or Pettis again, it'll be 1.5m atleast.

Agreed re winning his next fight. Its imperative. Which is why, again, it'll pull huge numbers imo.

spix

Gintonious wrote: »

Not so sure about that. His performance wasn't and ideal showcase for him, especially after 2 years out on the sauce.

He still has pull to get a crowd but I don't see his next fight having the same pull as this with Khabib. The golden goose was well beaten and knocked down as well, the murder after the bell helped take the sting off his performance a bit but what people saw wasn't the ideal version of McGregor.

Either way he NEEDS to win his next fight, so a rematch is too much of a risk, same with maybe the outside option of giving Tony a go, Tony is as dangerous as Khabib for McGregor.

It's not just about whether you win or lose, its who you win or lose against. Even though he got stopped its easy to argue he done better against Khabib than any of his other recent opponents, whilst winning a round, first ufc fight in 2 years and without giving his standup any respect as per instagram post.



It's easy to make it out that losing to Khabib is no big deal. Losing to him again is also no big deal seeing as he already lost to him. Could just brush it off as a bad matchup and move on, would be in the same position as he is now just with another big payday banked. The immediate rematch against khabib is his least risk fight imo. Any other fight besides Khabib in the 155 division is a must win.

Frank Bullitt

dulux99 wrote: »

He came off a loss vs Diaz and the next ppv became the best selling ppv of all time (at the time).

I agree his next fight won't pull Khabib numbers, unless it's a khabib rematch. It's not really fair to use the khabib fight as a barometer either, that was the biggest fight ever in terms of numbers. But if he fights the likes of Lee or Pettis again, it'll be 1.5m atleast.

Agreed re winning his next fight. Its imperative. Which is why, again, it'll pull huge numbers imo.

His loss to Diaz wasn't in the same vein as it was to Khabib. McGregor was winning well against Diaz right up until he lost steam and then we all know how that went.

He will always pull impressive numbers, they can't all be record breakers.

Frank Bullitt

spix wrote: »

It's not just about whether you win or lose, its who you win or lose against. Even though he got stopped its easy to argue he done better against Khabib than any of his other recent opponents, whilst winning a round, first ufc fight in 2 years and without giving his standup any respect as per instagram post.



It's easy to make it out that losing to Khabib is no big deal. Losing to him again is also no big deal seeing as he already lost to him. Could just brush it off as a bad matchup and move on, would be in the same position as he is now just with another big payday banked. The immediate rematch against khabib is his least risk fight imo. Any other fight besides Khabib in the 155 division is a must win.

Who are you referring to there? McGregor or some of Khabibs recent opponents?

hewhoscares

Lee would be a good potential fight down the line as think he does have some star quality about him and would flourish with the extra media and attention.

But right now - either the rematch if Conor digs his heels in, or Nate if he wants to regroup. Maybe GSP as leftfield choice. Tony for an eliminator if Khabib gets a big ban.

Lee, Piorer or similar just a bit meh contender fights imo

Aldo rematch is really unlikley too IMO. Whats McGregor got to gain - he's already won in the most brutal fashion, he can't really better that.

ricero

The champ responded to Mcgregors instagram post by writing:

“It’s only business.”

Physically and mentally beaten Mcgregor.

Mellor

Deleted User wrote: »

Conor didn't register that incoming shot at all. His reactions were just not on point.

He reacted to the level change. As Khabib intended him to. Level change overhand/uppercut is striking for wrestlers 101.
I think a lot of people looking at it after the fact are missing that nuance.

Deleted User wrote: »

The funny thing is that after getting beaten by Floyd he was going on about "limited ruleset" and how he was glad to be going back to his own sport of unrestricted fighting.

He can't make his mind up.

How can he not making his mind up?He is saying the exact same here not the opposite.

RoryMac wrote: »

It wasn't a boxing match! Khabib clearly won the first round

Nobody denies that. Including Conor.

But you asked for a metric by which Conor was ahead. Darced gave you one.
Total strikes alone doesn't win him the round.

mmmayonaise wrote: »

He got whopped fair and square. He keeps changing the goalposts "I lost the bout but won the fight etc" whatever that means.
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He literally said the same.

Here however, I made a critical error of abandoning my over hook at this crucial time, exposing the back, and I end up beaten fair and square.

I consider the reaction to the statements much more delusional. People are reading what they want to read and ignoring black and white plain english statements.

spix

ricero wrote: »

The champ responded to Mcgregors instagram post by writing:

“It’s only business.”

Physically and mentally beaten Mcgregor.

Cringe. Now khabib himself is even posting that fake quote, hilarious when you realise mcgregor never even said that. How many people in this world actually have functional ears? Khabib has previously said he can't understand mcgregors english so he gets a pass for not having a clue what was said to him in the cage, and instead relies on what he reads on articles he finds whilst googling himself.

Pac1Man

spix wrote: »

Cringe. Now khabib himself is even posting that fake quote, hilarious when you realise mcgregor never even said that. How many people in this world actually have functional ears? Khabib has previously said said he can't understand mcgregors english so he gets a pass for not having a clue what was said to him in the cage, and instead relies on what he reads on articles he finds whilst googling himself.

What did Conor say?

spix

Pac1Man wrote: »

What did Conor say?

Getting tired of talking about it tbh but people keep bringing it back up...not getting into it again. Check back previous posts.

JJayoo

McG will fight Diaz next, it's the easiest fight in the top 10. Diaz has had 6 fights in the last 5 years, and lost half of them.

Kevin Lee is much too dangerous and will game plan like Khabib and look for the takedown.

Although not in 155 I have always thought McG will fight Cowboy at some stage. And that is a very very winnable fight for McG.

Outlaw Pete

ricero wrote: »

The champ responded to Mcgregors instagram post by writing:

“It’s only business.”

Physically and mentally beaten Mcgregor.

100% Ali.

Mellor

JJayoo wrote: »

McG will fight Diaz next, it's the easiest fight in the top 10. Diaz has had 6 fights in the last 5 years, and lost half of them.

I don't think it will be Nate. But agree that's easiest fight for Conor right now. Nate doesn't look for the takedown like a wrestler does. And it happy to trade with Conor on the feet. Where he gets outclasses while Conors stamina holds.
At 155. I see Conor taking this much easier.

Other options in top 10;
Tony Ferguson  - Fighting Khabib
Dustin Poirier - Coming off a win, has history. Big fight to book.
Kevin Lee - Fighting Iaquinta
Edson Barboza - Fighting Dan Hooker
Justin Gaethje - Has the wrestling, but not the fight IQ or the chin
Anthony Pettis - Also coming off a loss. Exciting fight.
Al Iaquinta - Fighting Lee
Nate Diaz - See above
Michael Chiesa  - Can't fight each other.

From that list. I think Poirier, Gaethje or Pettis are options. I'd like to see Poirier rebooked with Nate though.