After Hours Presidential Election Poll

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seamus wrote: »

Interesting take.

Surely the truth is immutable and not something that anyone "decides"?

Or are you one of those people?

I can assure you the Political and Media establishment have been driving their TRUTH on us all for a hell of a long time .

I say , That everyone should decide the TRUTH from their own personal lives and feelings . Do not be dictated to , Do not let them silence you and do not let them control your thoughts .

Stand up and vote as you see fit .

PlaneSpeeking

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The caseyites thanking this should perhaps be aware that ELM really is a Trump supporter.

Already aware. I'd have voted Sanders if in the US.

You really must remind me when it became compulsory to share every belief of someone to thank their posts ?

weldoninhio

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The caseyites thanking this should perhaps be aware that ELM really is a Trump supporter.

So what? Should someone be castigated for holding different opinions??

pjohnson

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Already aware. I'd have voted Sanders if in the US.

You really must remind me when it became compulsory to share every belief of someone to thank their posts ?

:pac:


Off course.

suicide_circus

4% turn out in Dublin so far lol

fergus1001

as I said before the really low turnout could cause a serious upset to the political elites

pjohnson

fergus1001 wrote: »

as I said before the really low turnout could cause a serious upset to the political elites

Low rural turnout aswell. I thought everyone rural was voting Casey to save them from Travellers reading here the last week?

Zubeneschamali

ELM327 wrote: »

Do you just watch me, or?

Many Casey supporters have been careful to point out that while they support his remarks, they are not open racists like those nasty MAGA types who support Trump.

So they might prefer not to thank you for joining their cause and muddying the waters.

ELM327

fergus1001 wrote: »

as I said before the really low turnout could cause a serious upset to the political elites

Here's hoping.


The lower the turnout the better chance of a non higgins victory.
The higgins vote is in apathy at the other candidates, from speaking to people, rather than because he's done great (he hasnt done anything of note).

ELM327

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Many Casey supporters have been careful to point out that while they support his remarks, they are not open racists like those nasty MAGA types who support Trump.

So they might prefer not to thank you for joining their cause and muddying the waters.

It is not, nor has it ever been, possible for a white Irish person to discriminate against a different white Irish person on the basis of race.
So I and the populous at large will thank you to not muddy the waters.


This is not america, this is Ireland. You don't speak for me, and you - demonstrably - don't speak for Casey supporters.


As a bunch, people voting for Casey generally are tired of what they "have to say". They say what they want to say and ignore this enforced PC bull.


For clarity, while you have quoted my posted question, you have not answered it.

Do you just watch me, or?

Zubeneschamali

ELM327 wrote: »

As a bunch, people voting for Casey generally are tired of what they "have to say". They say what they want to say and ignore this enforced PC bull.

Exactly the spiel Trump uses to justify racism.

Donald Trump

Does yer man Casey ever pay any taxes here?

Was he not born in Derry, educated over with the Sasanachs (grand soup so it was), fecked off to Sydney, then off to America and lucky to make a heap of money? Wouldn't say the Irish tax system saw too much of it

I'd say the **** and wasters on the dole paid more tax than he did.

seamus

fergus1001 wrote: »

as I said before the really low turnout could cause a serious upset to the political elites

:pac:

"Upset the elites by voting for wealthy tax exiles"

Where's Waterford Whispers when you need them?

I wonder what goes through the mind of people who buy this "elites" nonsense. The actual "elites" are the 1%; the people who run businesses (into the ground) and use their money and position to increase their wealth at the expense of everyone else.

The goal of electing politicians should be putting in people who will balance it out, and resist the attempts by the elites to gut society for their own personal gain.

But they've managed to convince pockets of people that if you replace the politicians with the 1%, that somehow you're "sticking it to the elites", when you've actually just handed the bad guy the gun and asked him to protect you.

Surely if your goal was to "upset the elites", you'd vote for a socialist who proposes massive wealth taxes and widespread social spending?

pjohnson

Donald Trump wrote: »

Does yer man Casey ever pay any taxes here?

Was he not born in Derry, educated over with the Sasanachs (grand soup so it was), fecked off to Sydney, then off to America and lucky to make a heap of money? Wouldn't say the Irish tax system saw too much of it

I'd say the **** and wasters on the dole paid more tax than he did.

You dont need to pay tax to be a hero to those who whinge about tax apparently.

Donald Trump

pjohnson wrote: »

You dont need to pay tax to be a hero to those who whinge about tax apparently.

He probably just knows that if he shouts loud enough about poor people not paying taxes that the voting eejits won't think to look at him

Tell me how

seamus wrote:

I wonder what goes through the mind of people who buy this "elites" nonsense. The actual "elites" are the 1%; the people who run businesses (into the ground) and use their money and position to increase their wealth at the expense of everyone else.

There's scope for Phd studies in to this phenomenon.

Trump, Brexit advocates decrying the elites and claiming to represent the common man is laughable..... and yet seems to be believed by many.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

It is not, nor has it ever been, possible for a white Irish person to discriminate against a different white Irish person on the basis of race.
So I and the populous at large will thank you to not muddy the waters.


This is not america, this is Ireland. You don't speak for me, and you - demonstrably - don't speak for Casey supporters.


As a bunch, people voting for Casey generally are tired of what they "have to say". They say what they want to say and ignore this enforced PC bull.


For clarity, while you have quoted my posted question, you have not answered it.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Exactly the spiel Trump uses to justify racism.

Are you incapable of replying to a full post, instead picking words or lines to justify a view or position that does not fit the context in which it was posted?


For the third time now, while you have quoted my posted question, you have not answered it.

ELM327 wrote: »

Do you just watch me, or?

Zubeneschamali

ELM327 wrote: »

Are you incapable of replying to a full post

Yes, it is a flaw in my character.

pjohnson

Donald Trump wrote: »

He probably just knows that if he shouts loud enough about poor people not paying taxes that the voting eejits won't think to look at him

Exactly

***LOUD NOISES*** = OMG he is amazing

banie01

ELM327 wrote: »

Here's hoping.


The lower the turnout the better chance of a non higgins victory.
The higgins vote is in apathy at the other candidates, from speaking to people, rather than because he's done great (he hasnt done anything of note).

What Irish President has ever done anything of note whilst holding the office?
The Presidency in terms of what it represents, is basically a direct substitution of the Lord Lieutenants role.
It is primarily a ceremonial role, one which in my opinion the incumbent should represent a manifestation of the dignity and hope of the nation, it is an office that as head of State should seek to be above the politics of government.

The President has no role in leading the country, even the power of assent is conditional.
I would much prefer that we save any "protest" votes for an election that matters, unfortunately in Ireland those elections don't come with parties capable of forming a viable alternative government.

ELM327

banie01 wrote: »

What Irish President has ever done anything of note whilst holding the office?
The Presidency in terms of what it represents, is basically a direct substitution of the Lord Lieutenants role.
It is primarily a ceremonial role, one which in my opinion the incumbent should represent a manifestation of the dignity and hope of the nation, it is an office that as head of State should seek to be above the politics of government.

The President has no role in leading the country, even the power of assent is conditional.
I would much prefer that we save any "protest" votes for an election that matters, unfortunately in Ireland those elections don't come with parties capable of forming a viable alternative government.

McAleese had a great impact on the peace process.
Robinson steered a lot of human rights legislation and used the office to bring public conversation to rights issues.
Two recent examples.


In 2011 we elected the head of gringotts and all I can see that he did was leech money from the taxpayer at our darkest recessionary moment in recent history. He has done nothing of note. The only benefit to electing him again is that, as he is older, he will have a shorter taxpayer funded life left than other candidates

ELM327

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, it is a flaw in my character.

Do you just watch me or?

dav3

seamus wrote: »

How did that vote for Dana work out for you?

Ah now, don't mock them. I'm starting to feel sorry for them now. Let's not forget Dana managed to get nearly 14% of the vote. As a result, it really sent a message out to the leftist msm communists liberal elite and we all started to adopt the idiot's ideology and politics, as can definitely be seen in the 20 years that followed that vote.

Something very familiar with the 1997 language.



VOTE NO.1 DANA! She tells it like it is.

PlaneSpeeking

pjohnson wrote: »

:pac:


Off course.

It's "of" unless you're posting that from an oil tanker and right up to when he lost the Dem nomination, yeah.

Sorry if that fails to meet your criteria for the stereotype but the truth is rarely simple.

King of Kings

dav3 wrote: »

Ah now, don't mock them. I'm starting to feel sorry for them now. Let's not forget Dana managed to get nearly 14% of the vote. As a result, it really sent a message out to the leftist msm communists liberal elite and we all started to adopt the idiot's ideology and politics, as can definitely be seen in the 20 years that followed that vote.

Something very familiar with the 1997 language.



VOTE NO.1 DANA! She tells it like it is.

ok. i think you dont get it.....
my signature on boards perhaps....just perhaps shouldnt be taken as gospel.....but if it is or was....i feel sorry for you

Zubeneschamali

ELM327 wrote: »

Do you just watch me or?

No.

banie01

ELM327 wrote: »

McAleese had a great impact on the peace process.
Robinson steered a lot of human rights legislation and used the office to bring public conversation to rights issues.
Two recent examples.


In 2011 we elected the head of gringotts and all I can see that he did was leech money from the taxpayer at our darkest recessionary moment in recent history. He has done nothing of note. The only benefit to electing him again is that, as he is older, he will have a shorter taxpayer funded life left than other candidates

McAleese would come quite far down on any list of influencers or guiding hands on the peace process IMO.
Granted she was very conciliatory and took steps to include unionists in her role as President many unionists would take issue with her comparison of protestent children to European anti-semites.

Similarly with Robinson, much of her good work around Human Rights was done either side of her presidency, whilst actually in the role she was constrained by what the actual office entailed.

dav3

King of Kings wrote: »

ok. i think you dont get it.....
my signature on boards perhaps....just perhaps shouldnt be taken as gospel.....but if it is or was....i feel sorry for you

I don't think about you at all.

Keep voting for Dana Casey every election.

AndrewJRenko

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

How do we know that ? Where is the proof ?

Do you know what "unvouched" means ?

Yeah, I know what unvouched means, and I know how financial systems work in public bodies. Are you seriously suggesting that someone wrote a cheque to buy property from this allowance?

PlaneSpeeking

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yeah, I know what unvouched means, and I know how financial systems work in public bodies. Are you seriously suggesting that someone wrote a cheque to buy property from this allowance?

Either post where I said that or retract eh ?

SafeSurfer

seamus wrote: »

fergus1001 wrote: »

as I said before the really low turnout could cause a serious upset to the political elites

:pac:

"Upset the elites by voting for wealthy tax exiles"

Where's Waterford Whispers when you need them?

I wonder what goes through the mind of people who buy this "elites" nonsense. The actual "elites" are the 1%; the people who run businesses (into the ground) and use their money and position to increase their wealth at the expense of everyone else.

The goal of electing politicians should be putting in people who will balance it out, and resist the attempts by the elites to gut society for their own personal gain.

But they've managed to convince pockets of people that if you replace the politicians with the 1%, that somehow you're "sticking it to the elites", when you've actually just handed the bad guy the gun and asked him to protect you.

Surely if your goal was to "upset the elites", you'd vote for a socialist who proposes massive wealth taxes and widespread social spending?

You don’t know what an elite is.

Elite

“a group or class of people seen as having the most power and influence in a society, especially on account of their wealth or privilege.”

Look at the high number of the current cabinet who went to fee paying schools.

Irish journalists are almost exclusively white, middle class and liberal.

A high number of current politicians have relatives that were also politicians, the current president, Tanaiste, minister for justice, minister for education, to name but a few are related to former or current politicians.

There is a clear elite in Irish society.

AndrewJRenko

MrMusician18 wrote: »

You still don't get it. PC winning is not the victory people are after, it's the change in conversation that they want.

People want to be listened to, not talked down to and be told you can't be having those bad thoughts, let almost say them out aloud, even if they are their own experiences.

There is no restriction on free speech in Ireland. But you seem to be looking for a 'not getting called out for my BS' option.

BoJack Horseman

Lamentable that we are having a referendum to remove blasphemy from our constitution the day after the ECHR decides that blasphemy is indeed a crime.

So.... pointless.

irishproduce

wonder will we get any exit polls?

AndrewJRenko

emo72 wrote: »

None of them are good candidates. Need to look at the system that allows these ones through. It's almost as if councils controlled by large political parties wanted weak candidates.

Councils don't decide what candidates come forward

Zubeneschamali

SafeSurfer wrote: »

There is a clear elite in Irish society.

And Casey (if he moves here permanently) will be right there in it.

SafeSurfer

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

And Casey (if he moves here permanently) will be right there in it.

Do you think he is part of the elite?

I think Michael D is much more a scion of the elite than Casey.
A professional paid politician for 45 years, with multiple state pensions,on numerous boards, with a daughter a senator.

Zubeneschamali

SafeSurfer wrote: »

A professional paid politician for 45 years, with multiple state pensions,on numerous boards, with a daughter a senator.

Politicians are not the elite. The people who pay the politicians and tell them what to do are the elite.

RandomName2

dav3 wrote: »

I don't think about you at all.

Keep voting for Dana Casey every election.

When choosing his avatar to pursue truth and justice in the form of dav3, God reached into the kitchen drawer and took out a butter knife.

PokeHerKing

Zubeneschamali wrote:

Politicians are not the elite. The people who pay the politicians and tell them what to do are the elite.

So we're just looking to cut out the middle man #VoteCasey

SafeSurfer

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Politicians are not the elite. The people who pay the politicians and tell them what to do are the elite.

Every definition would disagree with you but don’t let reality interfere with your prejudices.

McMurphy

pjohnson wrote: »

Low rural turnout aswell. I thought everyone rural was voting Casey to save them from Travellers reading here the last week?

Haven't voted yet myself.

Work gets in the way you see.

Left home before 7am, last Friday of the month to invoice etc.

Be home 5, sharpish.

I expect there's many like me out there.

Hermy

ELM327 wrote: »

...all I can see that he did was leech money from the taxpayer at our darkest recessionary moment in recent history...

Yeah, if only he hadn't leeched that money he was entitled to as president we could have sorted the housing crisis, the banking collapse and the health system in one fell swoop.

Damn you Michael D!!

ELM327

A little song, if I may, to mark the day.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No.

Ok so you are capable of responding to one line questions so if I hold my metaphorical breath and ask this with no pauses periods or full stops you might grace me with another answer so you just seem to "comment" whenever I'm around dragging in Trump into non Trump related threads as if you think it will in some way denigrate me when in fact I'm a loud and proud Trump advocate and have been on the train since 2016 and before.


***breathe***

banie01 wrote: »

McAleese would come quite far down on any list of influencers or guiding hands on the peace process IMO.
Granted she was very conciliatory and took steps to include unionists in her role as President many unionists would take issue with her comparison of protestent children to European anti-semites.

Similarly with Robinson, much of her good work around Human Rights was done either side of her presidency, whilst actually in the role she was constrained by what the actual office entailed.

So, while I have presented tangible work done while in office by the prior two presidents, what has the incumbent done?


Except from this of course:

enricoh

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Politicians are not the elite. The people who pay the politicians and tell them what to do are the elite.

Yeah they're just normal Joe soaps, with whopper pensions after a few years in the job. N then a few plum gigs as board directors or on a quango or two.
You're spot on, that stuff happens the average Joe soap all the time!

ELM327

Hermy wrote: »

Yeah, if only he hadn't leeched that money he was entitled to as president we could have sorted the housing crisis, the banking collapse and the health system in one fell swoop.

Damn you Michael D!!

Over €3 million during the term.
Wouldn't have solved world hunger but if we had evaluated in 2011 the best use for €3 million we'd have found a much better place I'm sure.


I'm the last person to advocate for social welfare expenditure but it would have been better there than in the pockets of Michael D

JupiterKid

Well, I just did my democratic duty and voted...

RandomName2

enricoh wrote: »

Yeah they're just normal Joe soaps, with whopper pensions after a few years in the job. N then a few plum gigs as board directors or on a quango or two.
You're spot on, that stuff happens the average Joe soap all the time!

The Taoiseach isn't the leader, it is the politicians who vote him in that are the leader. The CEO of a company isn't the boss, it's the employees who run his business who are the boss. :rolleyes:

Edit: had to add in an emoticon

Zubeneschamali

ELM327 wrote: »

you just seem to "comment" whenever I'm around dragging in Trump into non Trump related threads

You think very highly of yourself, don't you? I was posting in this thread before you showed up here, I am not following you around.

And I mentioned for the benefit of the Caseyites that you are an actual Trump supporter precisely because most of the Casey supporters have been careful to claim that they are not racist jackasses. Your post with hashtag #MIGA might be taken as a light hearted parody of American dumbassness, but it really isn't.

Hermy

ELM327 wrote: »

Over €3 million during the term.
Wouldn't have solved world hunger but if we had evaluated in 2011 the best use for €3 million we'd have found a much better place I'm sure.


I'm the last person to advocate for social welfare expenditure but it would have been better there than in the pockets of Michael D

If we're in such dire straits that we need to raid the presidential purse - and in the grand scheme of things €3 million is feck all - then the question is why?